Gen3 - couldn't be more disappointed

[Samaki]

Like everyone else here I was a bit disappointed in the new Hayabusa, thinking I might score a nice used one in a few years. The loss of five horsepower does not bother me, due to the increase in usable power lower down. I would say that it is very rare for your average Busa rider to use even 75 percent of the 198 HP available on the Gen 2, for example. I would never notice the loss. I think the electronic aids are a great advancement forward, particularly since they are very adjustable and can be turned off if desired. The linked brakes I definitely do not like. I hated it on my 2000 Blackbird, so much so that I removed the system and red-rilled the calipers to function as normal brakes should. If I end up with a Gen 3 I would likely do the same there as well. To me the biggest turn-off is the 1960s "Buick" style air ducts on the side cowls. They are ugly enough on their own, but the chrome trim makes them look ridiculous. For now I will stick with my Gen 2, as it does everything perfectly well and is still an amazing motorcycle in every respect.

 

[fallenarch]

Snobs, all of em.

You know I always took those BMW guys with a grain of salt. 2 of the guys I have the most miles under my belt with were BMW riders. But now having had two and attending a couple of BMW events they are truly jerks, haha. The thing is BMW bikes and accessories are very sophisticated. They are built like cars - complicated, complex, everything custom made for its application. Unfortunately, this costs a lot and doesn't always mean better on-the-ground performance.

I was with a group of BMW riders discussing the best engines ever. They thought the big complicated, 6 cylinder K1600 was the greatest motorcycle engine ever. I told them flat out they were crazy. The BMW isn't even the best 6 cylinder ever made! The Busa engine is clearly at the top of the list of great engines. Powerful, smooth, and simple as it gets. So I started riding the Busa with them and even let a few try it. They were stunned and don't call me for rides anymore, haha.

 

[Bumblebee]

You know I always took those BMW guys with a grain of salt. 2 of the guys I have the most miles under my belt with were BMW riders. But now having had two and attending a couple of BMW events they are truly jerks, haha. The thing is BMW bikes and accessories are very sophisticated. They are built like cars - complicated, complex, everything custom made for its application. Unfortunately, this costs a lot and doesn't always mean better on-the-ground performance.

I was with a group of BMW riders discussing the best engines ever. They thought the big complicated, 6 cylinder K1600 was the greatest motorcycle engine ever. I told them flat out they were crazy. The BMW isn't even the best 6 cylinder ever made! The Busa engine is clearly at the top of the list of great engines. Powerful, smooth, and simple as it gets. So I started riding the Busa with them and even let a few try it. They were stunned and don't call me for rides anymore, haha.

My brother has ridden BMW bikes (R series RT) since the '80s...he has a lot of miles on them and his '78 has been stone cold reliable with over 500,000 miles on it, just the usual maintenance and always dino oil used.

His newer one has been just ok....he had an electrical fire which required a total harness/ecu swap, the bearing went on his rear diff, the throttle body bushings on the butterflies wore out. Luckily for him he's got serious skills and was able to do all the work himself.

I told him several times if that bike belonged to almost anyone else, it would be a parts bike by now.

He has many friends who have moved away from BMW over the years, 4 of which bought V Stroms and absolutely love them over the GS bikes they gave up.

I feel all new bikes will be problematic as the companies want us to have to take them to a dealership as the company would lose too much money in servicing if they made them too robust....much the same as cars/trucks and everything else these days.

My neighbor has a nice boat and a couple Ski Doo snowmobiles and they have to be connected to the "mothership" for a healthy sum each and every servicing.

I wonder if Suzuki has thought of this with the latest rendering of the Hayabusa...???

 

[macka]

Like everyone else here I was a bit disappointed in the new Hayabusa, thinking I might score a nice used one in a few years. The loss of five horsepower does not bother me, due to the increase in usable power lower down. I would say that it is very rare for your average Busa rider to use even 75 percent of the 198 HP available on the Gen 2, for example. I would never notice the loss. I think the electronic aids are a great advancement forward, particularly since they are very adjustable and can be turned off if desired. The linked brakes I definitely do not like. I hated it on my 2000 Blackbird, so much so that I removed the system and red-rilled the calipers to function as normal brakes should. If I end up with a Gen 3 I would likely do the same there as well. To me the biggest turn-off is the 1960s "Buick" style air ducts on the side cowls. They are ugly enough on their own, but the chrome trim makes them look ridiculous. For now I will stick with my Gen 2, as it does everything perfectly well and is still an amazing motorcycle in every respect.

somewhat of a negative summary mate and quoting linked brakes system from something made in 20 or more years ago, is not helpful

 

[fallenarch]

My brother has ridden BMW bikes (R series RT) since the '80s...he has a lot of miles on them and his '78 has been stone cold reliable with over 500,000 miles on it, just the usual maintenance and always dino oil used.

His newer one has been just ok....he had an electrical fire which required a total harness/ecu swap, the bearing went on his rear diff, the throttle body bushings on the butterflies wore out. Luckily for him he's got serious skills and was able to do all the work himself.

I told him several times if that bike belonged to almost anyone else, it would be a parts bike by now.

He has many friends who have moved away from BMW over the years, 4 of which bought V Stroms and absolutely love them over the GS bikes they gave up.

I feel all new bikes will be problematic as the companies want us to have to take them to a dealership as the company would lose too much money in servicing if they made them too robust....much the same as cars/trucks and everything else these days.

My neighbor has a nice boat and a couple Ski Doo snowmobiles and they have to be connected to the "mothership" for a healthy sum each and every servicing.

I wonder if Suzuki has thought of this with the latest rendering of the Hayabusa...???

For me, the GS and GSA BMWs are far above the pack for big adventure bikes. This is mainly due to the front suspension and the motor. The suspension is the most stable out there and the ability to separate braking and suspension forces is a big advantage on the road and trail - if no on the track. The boxer twin just has a geometry that has an advantage in low CG and the crank turning axial to the direction of travel of the bike. The BMW is also highly refined on these models. Things like the wonder wheel that lets you scan the menus quickly and easily without too much distraction. Also, the amazing TFT display was the best in the business but others are catching up. Also, the electronics are amazingly easy to use and they work very stealthily. I have compared them directly to Triumph's tiger, The Ducati Multistrada, and the Vstrom. The Ducati is more aggressive but it's not the swiss army knife the BMW is. The VStrom is a cheaper version of the BMW but not as refined a weapon. All of these bikes are awesome though.

So the problem with BMW is really big bumbles on the quality side. I have talked about the transmission recall that kept me off the K1600 for 6 months. But now the GS has a recall for leaking front brake calipers. It's pretty hard to get from a company this good but it's enough to make you go to a Suzuki.

 

[jellyrug]

You know I always took those BMW guys with a grain of salt. 2 of the guys I have the most miles under my belt with were BMW riders. But now having had two and attending a couple of BMW events they are truly jerks, haha. The thing is BMW bikes and accessories are very sophisticated. They are built like cars - complicated, complex, everything custom made for its application. Unfortunately, this costs a lot and doesn't always mean better on-the-ground performance.

I was with a group of BMW riders discussing the best engines ever. They thought the big complicated, 6 cylinder K1600 was the greatest motorcycle engine ever. I told them flat out they were crazy. The BMW isn't even the best 6 cylinder ever made! The Busa engine is clearly at the top of the list of great engines. Powerful, smooth, and simple as it gets. So I started riding the Busa with them and even let a few try it. They were stunned and don't call me for rides anymore, haha.

Hey Arch, I’m getting worried about you?

In the one post you tell us you are no longer a Suzuki fan, you hate them, all their bikes are third grade.

In the next post you tell us the Busa is so great, all your BMW buds were so stunned by it, they don’t want to ride with you no more.

You sniffin something brotha?

 

[prg]

Reminds me of

 

[prg]

Quite impressed with it, especially the electronics, having just watched the video on Suzuki Australia's website. Not as good as the latest litres though. They are far superior machines apparently.
In fact, they are Sooo much better, the Greys want to abduct one to make their AntiGrav spaceships even Faster.

 

[fallenarch]

Hey Arch, I’m getting worried about you?

In the one post you tell us you are no longer a Suzuki fan, you hate them, all their bikes are third grade.

In the next post you tell us the Busa is so great, all your BMW buds were so stunned by it, they don’t want to ride with you no more.

You sniffin something brotha?

I was referring to the Gen 2 motor. You know more power and better mileage?

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

I never heard that you “hate” Suzukis, especially your nicely upgraded Gen2....even though it ain’t as purdy as my Gen1.

 

[jellyrug]

I was referring to the Gen 2 motor. You know more power and better mileage?

It is all the fault of four of your best friends:

Carbon monoxide, total hydrocarbons, non-methane hydrocarbons and NOx.

The fact that that the folks on the other side of the pond only worry about the carbon footprint of cars and vans, means Suzuki, due to its fat girl only having two wheels, can get away with a larger carbon footprint, to make your four friends happy.

The guys writing those regs are probably too fat and old to understand motorcycles.

It will be interesting to see what the Gen3 does after we ditch those friends of yours so it stinks a bit more.

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

Could the share holders have some responsibility for global emissions requirements across all their vehicles? For example, VW Inc. owns about 20% of Suzuki Inc.

 

[fallenarch]

It is all the fault of four of your best friends:

Carbon monoxide, total hydrocarbons, non-methane hydrocarbons and NOx.

The fact that that the folks on the other side of the pond only worry about the carbon footprint of cars and vans, means Suzuki, due to its fat girl only having two wheels, can get away with a larger carbon footprint, to make your four friends happy.

The guys writing those regs are probably too fat and old to understand motorcycles.

It will be interesting to see what the Gen3 does after we ditch those friends of yours so it stinks a bit more.



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Everyone is playing with the same regulations. Other companies are putting out 200 HP bikes.

 

[dadofthree]

Put money on one a few weeks ago, black

 

[jellyrug]

Everyone is playing with the same regulations. Other companies are putting out 200 HP bikes.

You should go shake Cameron Peterson’s hand.

He must be really good with skills surpassing even Rossi.

He won the AMA stock 1000 series on what you rate as a third grade GSXR1000R in 2020. He ran away from the Ducatis, the BMW’s the Kawasaki’s and the whole bunch.

Anyway, Arch, you don’t get my humor, you don’t get my sarcasm and the only thing you see is what specs are printed on paper.

So, when you gonna sell your third grade Suzuki?

 

[Bumblebee]

You should go shake Cameron Peterson’s hand.

He must be really good with skills surpassing even Rossi.

He won the AMA stock 1000 series on what you rate as a third grade GSXR1000R in 2020. He ran away from the Ducatis, the BMW’s the Kawasaki’s and the whole bunch.

Anyway, Arch, you don’t get my humor, you don’t get my sarcasm and the only thing you see is what specs are printed on paper.

So, when you gonna sell your third grade Suzuki?

Hard to compare a factory set up with an unlimited supply of tech and material supported GSXR and a professional rider with something you can buy from a dealership and ride home on. In the real world on the street where most of us ride, the GSXR is faltering behind it's competition.

I am on board with Willie, Suzuki has been sitting on it's arse for years and years living off past historic glory. What have Suzuki given the general public of late?

A left over, over used platform with the GSX series including the new Katana (all of which are not competitive in their classes), a GSXR which has only been mildly updated in years, now a Hayabusa which out of the gate is long behind it's competition.

If a buyer is looking for cutting edge performance, they generally aren't looking at Suzuki first.

I am still a fan of Suzuki and will wave their banner as I'm wired like that. Kind of like the die-hard HD guy I guess...

 

[fallenarch]

You should go shake Cameron Peterson’s hand.

He must be really good with skills surpassing even Rossi.

He won the AMA stock 1000 series on what you rate as a third grade GSXR1000R in 2020. He ran away from the Ducatis, the BMW’s the Kawasaki’s and the whole bunch.

Anyway, Arch, you don’t get my humor, you don’t get my sarcasm and the only thing you see is what specs are printed on paper.

So, when you gonna sell your third grade Suzuki?

I get your humor attempts, lol. That GSXR had some real high points to it, so why sell it to the public with the same brakes that have sucked for years? Why not just make a bike that's right and then have and SP model like all the other manufacturers?

 

[Dai.]

The more disappointing fact that Suzuki is 5 + years behind everybody else and when the changes comes, the gap expands even further. For instance the GSXR L7 which I own, why not a proper TFT colour dash instead of the budget shitty ass display that cheapens the experience, why an oem quickshifter that feels like it’s breaking the gearbox, not smooth at all and only works half the time.

Where’s the passion to make the brand competitive and the one to have?. Suzuki corporate has been sitting on their hands playing the safe card instead of throwing caution to the wind and creating an absolute monster whilst adhering to the restrictions like everyone else?.

 

[fallenarch]

Personally, I think Suzuki really was on the ropes when the Hamatshu (sure I butchered the spelling on that) plant was swamped. I think while the company was trying to figure out if they were even going to survive they lost a lot of technology and talent. In the survival first months that followed the disaster, the bean-counters wrestled control of the company and showed that bikes were where the money is. I think the offerings from Suzuki since that period have been bean counter specials with only the faintest nod to the heart of what made Suzuki great.

I hope I'm wrong, but Suzuki has been a victim of their superior mechanical skills since even before the tidal wave destroyed their R&D facility. They have historically made bikes that were right, not close, and then fixed electronically. Their motors have been rideable, pilot-friendly powerbands that let average guys get a lot out of the bike street or track. Handling was smooth and predictable too. But waiting so long to jump on the bandwagon has relegated them to the second tier in the minds of many, sort of the bike for the proletariat. The Gen 3 Busa could have been produced anytime in the last few years, so why disrespect their own legend and miss the anniversary? Because the bean counters said the smart money is to wait for Euro 5 compliance (which was most difficult of the 3 and 4 reg.s). This means the bike can go unchanged for 10 more years - a strictly business decision.

Suzuki is now making a lot of money as a car parts manufacturer and without the heart beating in the R & D department, there is no one to defend motorcycles with soul anymore. Just my take on it obviously. But that's why I'm not a Suzuki fanboy anymore. And @jellyrug that doesn't mean I don't love my Gen 2, that was the old Suzuki.

 

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