Gen3 - couldn't be more disappointed

I don't know if the linked brakes can be shut off though unless they are electrically linked...

Time will soon tell.
Both of my BMWs had linked brakes and they are amazing. Pull the front levers and the system decided how much front and rear you need. Use the rear lever and you only get rear brakes. This system (linked) only works with an IMU, in my opinion, early versions used line pressure and were a mess. You don't feel them working, just completely confident stops and a stable frame. Really no reason to use the rear pedal now, other than pivoting in tight spots. I think on the BMW GSA when you go to off-road pro mode the link is defeated.

Maybe you can shut off the linking, but I think Euro rules don't allow you to defeat ABS.
 
I haven't either, I reckon they would be efficient for shorter stopping distances.
The honda blackbird has linked brakes and in stock form they lose a lot of direct feeling transmitted to the levers, I've modified mine so the front doesn't activate the rear, but the rear works the front with 50/50 braking bias, when i hit the back brake it instantly brakes the front and rear equally the bike sits down as opposed to dives, adding front at the same time gives the max braking, Using the foot brake giving 50/50 minimizes shifting the rider weight forward onto the bars and its a useful tool
 
Both of my BMWs had linked brakes and they are amazing. Pull the front levers and the system decided how much front and rear you need. Use the rear lever and you only get rear brakes. This system (linked) only works with an IMU, in my opinion, early versions used line pressure and were a mess. You don't feel them working, just completely confident stops and a stable frame. Really no reason to use the rear pedal now, other than pivoting in tight spots. I think on the BMW GSA when you go to off-road pro mode the link is defeated.

Maybe you can shut off the linking, but I think Euro rules don't allow you to defeat ABS.
yes the early bmw systems had proportional valves in the abs, the later have servo motors giving good power, the honda blackbird didn't have the technology for it was designed in the late 90s the goldwings vfrs have it too, there was too much involved in bleeding this system, this set up im able to choose having a regular front brake or using linked on the foot but either way they sure are better for the rider, i use the rear anyway so i im 70/30 in favour of linked brakes, but not everyone will like the change to the braking style
 
always told quickest braking is front brake only
rear is redundant as all the weight transfers forward
The front brake is 75% of your stopping power but adding the rear puts your braking to 100%...

There are times when I use the rear brake to scrub speed off entering an apex as using the front can throw off my line a bit and cause the bike to want to stand up in the corner.
 
ok, not sure i agree ...watch MOTOGP front brakes applied to the max with electronics, rear is off the ground

if you have to apply 25% to the rear the front is prevented from stopping faster as weight transfer makes the rear absolutely ineffective

in the spring go try,
i learned this from ex racer and motorcycle trainer
under max braking the front tyre contact grows by 10 times , the larger the contact patch the harder you can apply the front
 
ok, not sure i agree ...watch MOTOGP front brakes applied to the max with electronics, rear is off the ground

if you have to apply 25% to the rear the front is prevented from stopping faster as weight transfer makes the rear absolutely ineffective

in the spring go try,
i learned this from ex racer and motorcycle trainer
under max braking the front tyre contact grows by 10 times , the larger the contact patch the harder you can apply the front
I learned my technique from an ex racer and motorcycle course instructor too.......me.

Since you mentioned MotoGP, here's a little light reading on the subject of rear braking.

 
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ok, not sure i agree ...watch MOTOGP front brakes applied to the max with electronics, rear is off the ground

if you have to apply 25% to the rear the front is prevented from stopping faster as weight transfer makes the rear absolutely ineffective

in the spring go try,
i learned this from ex racer and motorcycle trainer
under max braking the front tyre contact grows by 10 times , the larger the contact patch the harder you can apply the front
just in case you hadn't realized we don't run motogp race tyres, carbon rotors, fancey pads and practice this technic on a closed circuit for a living. Front end loading has the same effect as race car downforce grip on the front tyre for initial turn in. The point you missed out is we don't crash our bikes that's why we don't ride like them. The object of linked brakes is for heavy bikes and for general people, and motogp do use electronics to brake the engine when and how they choose to,
And i would bet you have never had the busa rear tyre of the ground
 
I learned my technique from an ex racer and motorcycle course instructor too.......me.

Since you mentioned MotoGP, here's a little light reading on the subject of rear braking.

Oh yes I get the balanced cornering Lorenzo style
I’ll try that........ in my dreams
 
Oh yes I get the balanced cornering Lorenzo style
I’ll try that........ in my dreams
I find if one were to try and ride as aggressive on the street as the track, they wouldn't have a bike long as it would either be in impound or a wrecking yard (where many end up).

I found most of the people I was racing against all used basically the same technique I was taught at race school.

I use a modified version of it on the street, of course my apex enter speed is quite a bit lower and I'm not going as deep into the corner but find a good tap on the rear brake to scrub off speed going into the apex is always works better for me than using the front brake.
 
just in case you hadn't realized we don't run motogp race tyres, carbon rotors, fancey pads and practice this technic on a closed circuit for a living. Front end loading has the same effect as race car downforce grip on the front tyre for initial turn in. The point you missed out is we don't crash our bikes that's why we don't ride like them. The object of linked brakes is for heavy bikes and for general people, and motogp do use electronics to brake the engine when and how they choose to,
And i would bet you have never had the busa rear tyre of the ground

I’ve had my rear off the ground w/o using the rear brake and I’ve also had the rear swing around to my left when I did use them together. I assume the rear was skidding (locked) when it came around. That was only when I was in what‘s referred to as a panic stop, not late braking for a corner.
 
I’ve had my rear off the ground w/o using the rear brake and I’ve also had the rear swing around to my left when I did use them together. I assume the rear was skidding (locked) when it came around. That was only when I was in what‘s referred to as a panic stop, not late braking for a corner.
I hope I never see the rear come off the ground probably means the front has come to a sudden stop
 
I hope I never see the rear come off the ground probably means the front has come to a sudden stop

I wasn’t expecting it but the forward tilt is what gave me the clue and at that instant I released some front lever pressure but as I began pressing the rear brake, when it touched down it was locked and skidded, swinging out the rear to my left. I musta been turning slightly to the right. The bike was completely stable though. I was the one shaken up! Great brakes though. They did stop me in time. Arashi rotors (thanks to @c10) and as always, EBC HH pads and Galfer braided SS lines. Years ago I had a similar ’panic’ type stop on my 82 CBX. Galfer lines and HH pads but OEM rotors. Hitting the fronts only I didn’t lift the rear but seeing that the car coming at me in my lane around a sharp uphill right hander about to hit me, at the last moment I hit the rear brakes and stopped. I noticed afterwards that there was an eight foot rear tire skid mark. The rear was so light under hard front only braking that when applied, the rear tire didn’t have much choice but to lock up. The tiny contact patch on a m/c tire, front or rear, even under hard (squish) braking doesn’t help either.
 
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If you want to see what Lorenzo is doing, go to a parking lot and turn without using the brake and then try it by dragging the back brake. Even at 10 MPH, the bike will pivot around the rear tire more quickly. That's what Lo is doing only he does it at 100 MPH (don't try that).

Obviously, MotoGP riders have the best equipment and the talent to use it so they get away with hovering the rear wheel 2" off the ground at 200 mph. But they have several other distinct advantages: first, they pretty much know exactly when they are going to stop (that's why tracks have braking markers), and second, they never actually stop, they only slow down.

Brakes do two things on bikes: obviously, they slow or stop it. If you look at the speed the wheels are turning and compare them, you can maximize stopping power (ABS). But they also control the weight distribution of the bike and therefore can impact traction, turning, and stability.

On the street, even the most experienced riders will have problems make perfect stops in a panic. That's why you need linked brakes and ABS. As for the thumb brake, it's easier to control the feel with the thumb than through the right boot. Here is the thumb brake I have on the Busa: Look right under the clutch lever - that's the thumb brake.
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If you want to see what Lorenzo is doing, go to a parking lot and turn without using the brake and then try it by dragging the back brake. Even at 10 MPH, the bike will pivot around the rear tire more quickly. That's what Lo is doing only he does it at 100 MPH (don't try that).

Obviously, MotoGP riders have the best equipment and the talent to use it so they get away with hovering the rear wheel 2" off the ground at 200 mph. But they have several other distinct advantages: first, they pretty much know exactly when they are going to stop (that's why tracks have braking markers), and second, they never actually stop, they only slow down.

Brakes do two things on bikes: obviously, they slow or stop it. If you look at the speed the wheels are turning and compare them, you can maximize stopping power (ABS). But they also control the weight distribution of the bike and therefore can impact traction, turning, and stability.

On the street, even the most experienced riders will have problems make perfect stops in a panic. That's why you need linked brakes and ABS. As for the thumb brake, it's easier to control the feel with the thumb than through the right boot. Here is the thumb brake I have on the Busa: Look right under the clutch lever - that's the thumb brake.View attachment 1632386

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I would like to try that thumb brake. Unless I’m riding hard thru the twisties my feet are centered over the peg, toes down. Getting to the brake pedal in time with my foot is harder when not anticipated. We should all factor this in as well, the brakes only slow down the wheel. The tires stop the bike.
 
I would like to try that thumb brake. Unless I’m riding hard thru the twisties my feet are centered over the peg, toes down. Getting to the brake pedal in time with my foot is harder when not anticipated. We should all factor this in as well, the brakes only slow down the wheel. The tires stop the bike.
It's definitely racing kit! You have to adjust it constantly because you have a ton more feel in the thumb than the foot but the throw on the thumb is very short so you need immediate take up. Much too finicky for road use. Cool nonetheless.
 
Ive locked the front brakes on my 14 and on my busa. I have video with sound, You hear the front squeal as the steering whips while I'm modulating the lever. Never had the rear actually come way off the ground. I've heard the chain lashing so I doubt the rear can do much but slide under those conditions.
 
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