History Lesson

[Relsek]

If there is no proof of God then how did you get here? Crawl out of a slime pit millions of years ago? Has any science been able to bring to life a human? Have you seen any monkeys turning into people? I do not recall in my short 32 years of life ever hearing of the zoo trying to find more monkeys because the old ones grew into people and they had to let them go.
Look at how complex the human body is and tell me that it came together by accident.

This is a common argument also. The "proof" you refer to is attributed to God by you because you believe in His existence. If you didn't have the faith that you do, and believed in magic, or some other creative force, you would use the same example to "prove " that existence also. there is not enough empirical evidence to prove where humans came from, some believe in creation, some in evolution, some in a combination of the two. They key word is believe. there is no FACTUAL basis to PROVE either one, so one must have faith.
You can believe something all you want, it doesn't make it a fact. A person can believe that they can fly with all they are. If they step off a bridge, the fact is that without some type of upward propulsion device, they will fall.
Since I've not discussed this topic with you before, please note that I mean you and your beliefs no disrespect, I just enjoy discussing topics people feel passionate about.

Why does gd4gvn believe in God, is it like the wind, or the burning paper, he has seen proof of God?

 

[Relsek]

Enough already class.  Recess time is almost over.  Does anyone have any good rides planned this weekend?

yes

 

[Relsek]

Are we still evolving?

Yes. People now are taller, and live longer than in prior generations. We are able to use our resources more effectively, and make more areas inhabitable.

If I'm taller than you, does that mean I'm more evolved than you. If so, I'm going to rub it in Diesel's face that I'm more evolved and must also ride better than him because of it. I already have the fastest color bike, much faster than his pink pony.

 

[BrianKesler]

ok ok all of that could have been in 1 post instead of 4 seperate posts!

 

[busa9]

Its simple ther is a small goup of people in the world trying to aquire all its wealth and they do whatever they need to to get it, at some point real soon this small group will become smaller and smaller until someone owns it all . Everyone is entitled to there own ideas and belief systems it is what makes the world so colorful. As for god I believe that in the end we will all know the truth about this whole mess down here until then I will stick on the winning side and let god look after me while I'am down here and give him all the credit for what I have after all he did give me my BUSA!!!!!

 

[BusaAdmirer]

 

[Mr Brown]

I appreciate that you guys are having fun and all, but my point about believing or not believing in something having nothing to do with whether it is factual or not still is unanswered. I still contend, that whether you believe in God or not, he either does or doesn't exist.

Kev,
I thought I answered that. Belief has no bearing on fact. Facts are by definition verifiable, beliefs are known only to the believer. So since it is not possible to independently verify the existence of God, and equally impossible to prove his non-existence, belief is all that we can have, thus it is up to each individual to decide for themselves whether he exists or not.

 

[dudewizr]

I found this definition for creative evolution- Is a non-standard cosmological view that everything in existence came into being by natural processes-the universe by the Big Bang, the human race by evolution, etc- but that these natural processes were guided by a higher intelligence, usually the Christian God. This view is common among theologically liberal Christians.

Is this an acurate definition?

There are 3 concepts to our existence.
1.Atheistic Materialism=Big Bang theory. Yeah right!

2.Theistic Evolution=God used the evolutionary process to develop all living organisms. This theory is difficult to accept since it cannot harmonize the 3 immutable laws of the universe.
a. law of energy conservation
b. law of energy deterioration
c. law of biogenesis.

3. Special Creation=The Genesis account of creation in the Bible is to be taken in a literal and nattural manner.

 

[Mr Brown]

I found this definition for creative evolution- Is a non-standard cosmological view that everything in existence came into being by natural processes-the universe by the Big Bang, the human race by evolution, etc- but that these natural processes were guided by a higher intelligence, usually the Christian God. This view is common among theologically liberal Christians.

Is this an acurate definition?

There are 3 concepts to our existence.  
1.Atheistic Materialism=Big Bang theory. Yeah right!

2.Theistic Evolution=God used the evolutionary process to develop all living organisms.  This theory is difficult to accept since it cannot harmonize the 3 immutable laws of the universe.
     a.  law of energy conservation
     b.  law of energy deterioration
     c.  law of biogenesis.

3.  Special Creation=The Genesis account of creation in the Bible is to be taken in a literal and nattural manner.

Okay, a couple of problems here.....
1) Just because YOU don't believe something, don't act as if it's not a possible explanation. You are not the smartest person in the world, so don't assume that it's not a plausible explanation. It is.
2)God created the immutable laws. Hamonious enough?
3)I strongly disagree with literal interpretation of the Bible. If God can create the world, universe, time and everything else, isn't it a little silly to think that He really took nights and Sunday off?

 

[GD4GVN]

I choose #3

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[GD4GVN]

Are we still evolving?

Yes. People now are taller, and live longer than in prior generations. We are able to use our resources more effectively, and make more areas inhabitable.

If I'm taller than you, does that mean I'm more evolved than you. If so, I'm going to rub it in Diesel's face that I'm more evolved and must also ride better than him because of it. I already have the fastest color bike, much faster than his pink pony.

yeah look at your avatar you make that busa look small

 

[dudewizr]

I think the theory of creative evolution is dispelled by the laws of thermodynamics.  beleiving in any form of evolution requires way more faith than beleiving God created the heavens, light, sun moon and starts and everthing that walks and grows on the earth.  evolution cannot be proven so according to your Truth qualifications evolution can not be true.  and according to this same application to Gods existence you claim it cannot be proven and therefore cannot be true.  so maybe we don't actually exist.  Hmmmmmmmm.

Evolution requires no belief, the proof of it is all around you. It can be empirically observed. Evolution exists, there is no doubt. I never said God doesn't exist, read more carefully next time. I said nobody can PROVE that God does or doesn't exist. Hence we BELIEVE what ever we choose.

If you define evolution as technoological advances then I agre with you technologically we have evolved. T say that generations before us were retards, or intellectually inferior I disagree. Noah built the largest sea going vessels until 1884 a.d.

But if by evolution you suggest we are the result of Progressive Creation=God intervened at times to create or readjust the evolutionary process, or Transmutation=we started as a different organism and evolved. These can certainly be scientifically disputed.

This is becoming a very cool thread. A nice brain exercise. You guys rock and youride Busas! Can I get an Amen?

 

[GD4GVN]

I found this definition for creative evolution- Is a non-standard cosmological view that everything in existence came into being by natural processes-the universe by the Big Bang, the human race by evolution, etc- but that these natural processes were guided by a higher intelligence, usually the Christian God. This view is common among theologically liberal Christians.

Is this an acurate definition?

There are 3 concepts to our existence.  
1.Atheistic Materialism=Big Bang theory. Yeah right!

2.Theistic Evolution=God used the evolutionary process to develop all living organisms.  This theory is difficult to accept since it cannot harmonize the 3 immutable laws of the universe.
     a.  law of energy conservation
     b.  law of energy deterioration
     c.  law of biogenesis.

3.  Special Creation=The Genesis account of creation in the Bible is to be taken in a literal and nattural manner.

Okay, a couple of problems here.....
1) Just because YOU don't believe something, don't act as if it's not a possible explanation. You are not the smartest person in the world, so don't assume that it's not a plausible explanation. It is.
2)God created the immutable laws. Hamonious enough?
3)I strongly disagree with literal interpretation of the Bible. If God can create the world, universe, time and everything else, isn't it a little silly to think that He really took nights and Sunday off?

What would be wrong with a literal interpretation of the Bible?

Who said God exists in "time" as we know it ? He created everything who is to say anything is out of what He can do?

 

[GD4GVN]

good morning everyone, I forgot to say that before I jumped right in with a question here

 

[GD4GVN]

I think the theory of creative evolution is dispelled by the laws of thermodynamics.  beleiving in any form of evolution requires way more faith than beleiving God created the heavens, light, sun moon and starts and everthing that walks and grows on the earth.  evolution cannot be proven so according to your Truth qualifications evolution can not be true.  and according to this same application to Gods existence you claim it cannot be proven and therefore cannot be true.  so maybe we don't actually exist.  Hmmmmmmmm.

Evolution requires no belief, the proof of it is all around you. It can be empirically observed. Evolution exists, there is no doubt. I never said God doesn't exist, read more carefully next time. I said nobody can PROVE that God does or doesn't exist. Hence we BELIEVE what ever we choose.

If you define evolution as technoological advances then I agre with you technologically we have evolved.  T say that generations before us were retards, or intellectually inferior I disagree.  Noah built the largest sea going vessels until 1884 a.d.

But if by evolution you suggest we are the result of Progressive Creation=God intervened at times to create or readjust the evolutionary process, or Transmutation=we started as a different organism and evolved.  These can certainly be scientifically disputed.

This is becoming a very cool thread.  A nice brain exercise.  You guys rock and youride Busas!  Can I get an Amen?

amen, and I agree great thread!

 

[Mr Brown]

I think the theory of creative evolution is dispelled by the laws of thermodynamics.  beleiving in any form of evolution requires way more faith than beleiving God created the heavens, light, sun moon and starts and everthing that walks and grows on the earth.  evolution cannot be proven so according to your Truth qualifications evolution can not be true.  and according to this same application to Gods existence you claim it cannot be proven and therefore cannot be true.  so maybe we don't actually exist.  Hmmmmmmmm.

Evolution requires no belief, the proof of it is all around you. It can be empirically observed. Evolution exists, there is no doubt. I never said God doesn't exist, read more carefully next time. I said nobody can PROVE that God does or doesn't exist. Hence we BELIEVE what ever we choose.

If you define evolution as technoological advances then I agre with you technologically we have evolved.  T say that generations before us were retards, or intellectually inferior I disagree.  Noah built the largest sea going vessels until 1884 a.d.

But if by evolution you suggest we are the result of Progressive Creation=God intervened at times to create or readjust the evolutionary process, or Transmutation=we started as a different organism and evolved.  These can certainly be scientifically disputed.

This is becoming a very cool thread.  A nice brain exercise.  You guys rock and youride Busas!  Can I get an Amen?

Evolution is the process of development and growth. This can be in any are. Technology is one of the tools we use in our evolution. Of course generations before us were intellectually inferior, or else they would have discovered/invented what we have.There is no scientific proof that Noah's ark ever existed, just a story.
Neither theory you state can be scientifically disputed, they are both just theories, neither has been proven, hence the results can not be disputed.

 

[Mr Brown]

If there is no proof of God then how did you get here? Crawl out of a slime pit millions of years ago? Has any science been able to bring to life a human? Have you seen any monkeys turning into people? I do not recall in my short 32 years of life ever hearing of the zoo trying to find more monkeys because the old ones grew into people and they had to let them go.
Look at how complex the human body is and tell me that it came together by accident.

This is a common argument also. The "proof" you refer to is attributed to God by you because you believe in His existence. If you didn't have the faith that you do, and believed in magic, or some other creative force, you would use the same example to "prove " that existence also. there is not enough empirical evidence to prove where humans came from, some believe in creation, some in evolution, some in a combination of the two. They key word is believe. there is no FACTUAL basis to PROVE either one, so one must have faith.
You can believe something all you want, it doesn't make it a fact. A person can believe that they can fly with all they are. If they step off a bridge, the fact is that without some type of upward propulsion device, they will fall.
Since I've not discussed this topic with you before, please note that I mean you and your beliefs no disrespect, I just enjoy discussing topics people feel passionate about.

Why does gd4gvn believe in God, is it like the wind, or the burning paper, he has seen proof of God?

He has seen/felt/heard things which he BELIEVES to be the work of God. If he didn't believe in god he could just as easily attribute these events to something else.

 

[Mr Brown]

Are we still evolving?

Yes. People now are taller, and live longer than in prior generations. We are able to use our resources more effectively, and make more areas inhabitable.

If I'm taller than you, does that mean I'm more evolved than you. If so, I'm going to rub it in Diesel's face that I'm more evolved and must also ride better than him because of it. I already have the fastest color bike, much faster than his pink pony.

No, not on an individual basis, as a species we have evolved. The averages from generation to generation have increased.





BTW I thought the pink bike was spicy's.....lol

 

[GD4GVN]

If Noah's ark didn't exist and the Bible shouldn't be taken litterally then why should we believe any of it at all. I would not believe in something that part of it were true and other parts of it were false because then it becomes unreliable.
example- If someone says that Jesus was a great man but that he was not God then that statement would not hold up, because a great man in my book would not be a liar and that is what He would be because Jesus Himself said " I and my Father are one."



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[dudewizr]

I think the theory of creative evolution is dispelled by the laws of thermodynamics.  beleiving in any form of evolution requires way more faith than beleiving God created the heavens, light, sun moon and starts and everthing that walks and grows on the earth.  evolution cannot be proven so according to your Truth qualifications evolution can not be true.  and according to this same application to Gods existence you claim it cannot be proven and therefore cannot be true.  so maybe we don't actually exist.  Hmmmmmmmm.

Evolution requires no belief, the proof of it is all around you. It can be empirically observed. Evolution exists, there is no doubt. I never said God doesn't exist, read more carefully next time. I said nobody can PROVE that God does or doesn't exist. Hence we BELIEVE what ever we choose.

If you define evolution as technoological advances then I agre with you technologically we have evolved.  T say that generations before us were retards, or intellectually inferior I disagree.  Noah built the largest sea going vessels until 1884 a.d.

But if by evolution you suggest we are the result of Progressive Creation=God intervened at times to create or readjust the evolutionary process, or Transmutation=we started as a different organism and evolved.  These can certainly be scientifically disputed.

This is becoming a very cool thread.  A nice brain exercise.  You guys rock and youride Busas!  Can I get an Amen?

Evolution is the process of development and growth. This can be in any are. Technology is one of the tools we use in our evolution. Of course generations before us were intellectually inferior, or else they would have discovered/invented what we have.There is no scientific proof that Noah's ark ever existed, just a story.
Neither theory you state can be scientifically disputed, they are both just theories, neither has been proven, hence the results can not be disputed.

There are several documented sightings of the ark on Mt Arafat. I suppose those are just stories though.

I've got a story for you, I man tells everyone he is gonna set sail for a new land over the horizon. They tell him it is impossible because they BELEIVE the Earth is flat and they have proof of it. He'll fall off the dge of the Earth. He defies their theories and sets sail for a new land. Today we give credit to Columbus for discovering America but only a little over 100 people witnessed it. The son of God was crucified and resurrected after 3 days and was seen by a documented 512 people. This cements the birth, death and resurrection of Christ, which lends support of the existence of God which in turn supports the recorded events in the Bible.