I don't get it?

[Bumblebee]

Really? I think you need to carefully read your sentence again. What you are saying, is that if we met and became friends and I had something you thought was really nice, you will attempt to take it from me? C'mon man???

Perhaps we are just two very different people.

My values are such that I would refuse to claim unemployment or financial aid in any form. If that means I have to go flip burgers at McDonalds, so be it. I was raised in a culture where one ALWAYS gives more than one takes. Just a very different set of values.

I'm not talking personally about you and I as people. I personally have very high morals and ethics so the statement that I would steal from anyone is laughable at best.

I am saying in this world....WORLD.....there are people who are "have nots" who will take from the "haves" by any means necessary..I have spent time in these failed states where there are people who will take from whomever they wish at any time they wish and will take it by force.

For instance Unicef will bring in food and clothing for the people of a specific country and war lords will take these items away at gun point.....

The same sort of thing happens in the US and Canada, that's why there are large police forces with burglary and theft divisions.

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

Sounds as if you have chosen to let others make choices for you?

Ever heard about FIFO?

It stands for “Fit In or F$$k off,”

If you choose to go to a riot and get shot, really the primary blame is on you yourself.

And if you choose to go to riot carrying an AR15 and others choose to threaten you, the choice still started with you yourself.

If your boss makes choices for you which you don’t like, FIFO kicks in.

What an ideal world you live in. Where is it? Between your ears? To believe that one’s decisions alone, without any other factors, dictate the path one takes in life, is laughable at best.

 

[Mythos]

What you are saying, is that if we met and became friends and I had something you thought was really nice, you will attempt to take it from me? C'mon man???

Perhaps we are just two very different people.

My values are such that I would refuse to claim unemployment or financial aid in any form. If that means I have to go flip burgers at McDonalds, so be it. I was raised in a culture where one ALWAYS gives more than one takes. Just a very different set of values.

I already have stated that there are a lot of people who won't steal even though they're poor but that is in a stable environment. Knowing Bumblebee's background, he's seen the poorest in an unstable environment and I'll bet you he's seen starving people steal from others knowing those people might starve instead. Would I do that? God, I hope not. I hope I'm never in that predicament. Try to imagine starving and the only way to survive is to steal. It's the law of the jungle at that point. A lot of people might follow the law of the jungle in certain situations even when their life is not at stake. You must have read the The Lord of the Flies, right? I know it's fiction but it illustrates the point that people are just animals below the surface. Good and bad are the same as survive or not survive. Poor Piggy, he already will be a burden to the group and now he can't see. He busts his glasses and then the other boys bust his head by accident. Was it is a joke gone bad or was it an accident that happened more or less on purpose? Kind of like the Rittenhouse shootings.

 

[1busa]

 

[jellyrug]

What an ideal world you live in. Where is it? Between your ears? To believe that one’s decisions alone, without any other factors, dictate the path one takes in life, is laughable at best.

Well I sure am not a Hermit, but the path I took in life, with a career that took probably 2/3rds of my life, a woman I chose to marry and the property I live on, including the country, the state and the city was my decisions alone. No one else’s.

If the path of your life was dictated by decisions and factors of others we just are different people with different experiences.

I guess live and let live?

 

[jellyrug]

^^^^^
Only you know the answer, are you the lion, or are you the sheep?

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

…”Well I sure am not a Hermit, but the path I took in life, with a career that took probably 2/3rds of my life, a woman I chose to marry and the property I live on, including the country, the state and the city was my decisions alone. No one else’s.”

What a crock of self serving BS.

 

[Mythos]

We make choices but I don't think many of us get to go with plan A on any of them.

 

[fallenarch]

^^^^^
Only you know the answer, are you the lion, or are you the sheep?

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Dude, you must be drinking. Haha!

 

[Bumblebee]

I already have stated that there are a lot of people who won't steal even though they're poor but that is in a stable environment. Knowing Bumblebee's background, he's seen the poorest in an unstable environment and I'll bet you he's seen starving people steal from others knowing those people might starve instead. Would I do that? God, I hope not. I hope I'm never in that predicament. Try to imagine starving and the only way to survive is to steal. It's the law of the jungle at that point. A lot of people might follow the law of the jungle in certain situations even when their life is not at stake.

One of the saddest things I have seen is the actual capture of these humanitarian aid products by a war lord and his faction....we were helpless to engage as we were very lightly armed and deep in country (covertly), we might have taken out the faction but there were lots of civilians around who would have ended up in the crossfire.
We always go in with drone coverage so we were able to track this guy and the product to his stronghold...the local military then launched a strike on him and got most of the product back...

We didn't even have much in the way of personal rations to give these people although we gave them all we had but it was a drop in the bucket.

In trying times, even the most ethical and moral people will stoop to low levels to survive.

 

[1busa]

 

[Bumblebee]

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For this individual to attack someone who has an AR with a skateboard should have raised a few red flags for the judge and jury...the attacker must have clearly thought Rittenhouse was a threat to public safety.

The more and more I study this whole situation, the more I believe a severe miscarriage of justice was done. If nothing else at the minimum, Rittenhouse should have had a life-time weapon ban. Instead the IDIOTs decide to give him his very own AR15 as a gift??

There are a whole lot of "ifs" out there.....what "IF" he was a 17 yr old black man, what "IF" he shot 3 black men who had no previous records. What "IF" they find out he was inclusive with subversive groups.

All these "IFs" would have had a very different outcome with the result of this trial.

The fact he was a 17 yr old white male who shot 3 other white males made the whole difference. There is still a gigantic racial division in the US so when people put a racial swing on this whole event, that is the reason they do.

Anyone ever watch the investigative show "the first 48?" I watched an older episode last night where the cops went to a residence on a non related call, found a person who had a gun but as he had no prior record or anything they let him walk away...the detectives were working a homicide case and it was found the guy who the cops let walk away was the shooter and the gun they let him walk away with was the murder weapon.

You just never know....we may see Mr. Ritterhouse and his AR 15 down the road somewhere again...

 

[Mythos]

For this individual to attack someone who has an AR with a skateboard should have raised a few red flags for the judge and jury...the attacker must have clearly thought Rittenhouse was a threat to public safety.

I'm going with "it was hot tempers." They chased him first. It wasn't like they were surprised by a guy with an AR-15 and took emergency action out of desperation. I think the evidence showed pretty accurately what happened. What the evidence can't show is what Rittenhouse was thinking by going there armed with an AR-15 in the first place. People get convicted on circumstantial evidence all the time but that "if" wasn't allowed in the trial. It should have played some role in the verdict as far as Im concerned. At the end of the day, Rittenhouse was saving his own life by shooting his attackers but if a person has any common sense, they would know they were provoking those attacks by showing resistance as a citizen. One citizen isn't more important than the other just because they have a gun. You don't stick your arm in a tiger's cage even if you're holding a gun. What's going to happen and who is responsible for it happening?

 

[JeffSyh]

I'm going with "it was hot tempers." They chased him first. It wasn't like they were surprised by a guy with an AR-15 and took emergency action out of desperation. I think the evidence showed pretty accurately what happened. What the evidence can't show is what Rittenhouse was thinking by going there armed with an AR-15 in the first place. People get convicted on circumstantial evidence all the time but that "if" wasn't allowed in the trial. It should have played some role in the verdict as far as Im concerned. At the end of the day, Rittenhouse was saving his own life by shooting his attackers but if a person has any common sense, they would know they were provoking those attacks by showing resistance as a citizen. One citizen isn't more important than the other just because they have a gun. You don't stick your arm in a tiger's cage even if you're holding a gun. What's going to happen and who is responsible for it happening?

I think if the legal team was smart they would have went for possible man slaughter.... the gun was legal, he was legal to carry it the only law he broke was past curfew so were the riots also though. Like when the prosecutor was asking him "do you play call of duty" or "when the duramax was on fire why did you run?" Or "what's your tik tok username?" (Which was 4Doorsmorewhores lol) I knew they didn't have nothing on him and the prosecutors were a joke. Plus they point a gun at the jury with thier finger on trigger, they also recommend to fire warning shots, which is illegal and prosecutors violating the fifth amendment.

I'm no law professional but they went for the throat when they should have tried for lesser chargers that might have stuck, it was actually fairly funny to watch. Plus thier whiteness blew holes in the entire case.

Now let's put this behind us and focus on the ghislaine maxwell case!

 

[Mathewrussell52]

For this individual to attack someone who has an AR with a skateboard should have raised a few red flags for the judge and jury...the attacker must have clearly thought Rittenhouse was a threat to public safety.

That is huge stretch to assume what he was thinking let alone clearly thinking. He hanging out with rioters my guess he was not concerned with public safety and was just continuing destruction with no concern of life.

I get a lot of you don’t like that Kyle legally did nothing wrong. You think common sense is he shouldn’t of been there with a gun. I think common sense is dont attack someone with a gun.

 

[Mathewrussell52]

I think if the legal team was smart they would have went for possible man slaughter.... the gun was legal, he was legal to carry it the only law he broke was past curfew so were the riots also though. Like when the prosecutor was asking him "do you play call of duty" or "when the duramax was on fire why did you run?" Or "what's your tik tok username?" (Which was 4Doorsmorewhores lol) I knew they didn't have nothing on him and the prosecutors were a joke. Plus they point a gun at the jury with thier finger on trigger, they also recommend to fire warning shots, which is illegal and prosecutors violating the fifth amendment.

I'm no law professional but they went for the throat when they should have tried for lesser chargers that might have stuck, it was actually fairly funny to watch. Plus thier whiteness blew holes in the entire case.

Now let's put this behind us and focus on the ghislaine maxwell case!

My guess she’ll be Clintoned before she ever gets on the stand.

 

[Mythos]

Rittenhouse claims to support the BLM movement and the right to protest. So he was there to make sure the bad protestors didn't damage property even though he knew he couldn't use the gun he brought to stop them from damaging property.

I get a lot of you don’t like that Kyle legally did nothing wrong. You think common sense is he shouldn’t of been there with a gun. I think common sense is dont attack someone with a gun.

I totally agree. Nobody involved was thinking rationally. Kyle might have been lucky he was as rational as he was about actually doing the shooting he did. The time for being rational was before he went there and got caught up in the emotions. I don't think a 17 year old should be expected to do this on his own. 17 year olds do stupid things because they're 17. Unfortunately, 25 year olds do stupid things too when they get caught up in the moment. Attack someone who is carrying an AR-15? You're just as stupid as the guy who brought the AR-15 to the riot. ...and it turns out the person you are attacking is a minor on top of it. It's all crazy crap.

Now I want to hear what Ghislaine Maxwell has to say.

 

[Bumblebee]

I'm going with "it was hot tempers." They chased him first. It wasn't like they were surprised by a guy with an AR-15 and took emergency action out of desperation. I think the evidence showed pretty accurately what happened. What the evidence can't show is what Rittenhouse was thinking by going there armed with an AR-15 in the first place. People get convicted on circumstantial evidence all the time but that "if" wasn't allowed in the trial. It should have played some role in the verdict as far as Im concerned. At the end of the day, Rittenhouse was saving his own life by shooting his attackers but if a person has any common sense, they would know they were provoking those attacks by showing resistance as a citizen. One citizen isn't more important than the other just because they have a gun. You don't stick your arm in a tiger's cage even if you're holding a gun. What's going to happen and who is responsible for it happening?

Stupid always has a way of winning....

I know myself personally I sure wouldn't go around provoking someone with a rifle....if I had concerns, that's what 911 is for.

 

[Bumblebee]

I get a lot of you don’t like that Kyle legally did nothing wrong.

That's one of the sad things of the whole case...there's something to be said about anywhere which allows a 17 yr old to take a semi automatic weapon with a high capacity magazine across state lines to attend a protest turned riot and ends up shooting three people yet he did nothing legally wrong...

I get the fact that he was forced into a self defense stand but how and why would anything surrounding that be a "normal" everyday circumstance?

Now this young man is touted a "champion of gun rights" is being held on high...for being somewhere he should never have been in the first place. The only win of this is he will have to live with the fact he shot and killed 2 people-regardless of the reason why, it is a hard thing to deal with, trust me.

 

[Mathewrussell52]

That's one of the sad things of the whole case...there's something to be said about anywhere which allows a 17 yr old to take a semi automatic weapon with a high capacity magazine across state lines to attend a protest turned riot and ends up shooting three people yet he did nothing legally wrong...

I get the fact that he was forced into a self defense stand but how and why would anything surrounding that be a "normal" everyday circumstance?

Now this young man is touted a "champion of gun rights" is being held on high...for being somewhere he should never have been in the first place. The only win of this is he will have to live with the fact he shot and killed 2 people-regardless of the reason why, it is a hard thing to deal with, trust me.

Your first statement is false he did not go across state lines. What others facts are you not aware of.
Why shouldn’t he of been there? I don’t see it as a win he has to live with the fact he killed 2 people. That’s a terrible thing he has to live with. If he is a 1/2 decent person that will wreck him for a long time.