Impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump

fallenarch said:
But as the sides become more extreme, the pendulum is threatening to overturn. I believe this is the goal of the alt-right.
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Seems like the goal of extremists left and right and the media promoting the extreme views for profit and elected officials not compromising on issues to represent the majority of people that are somewhere in the middle.
 
Mathewrussell52 said:
Where do you live? You make it sound terrible and full of racist. How many people do you know that don’t have a ID. You can’t live with out one. You can’t get a job, open a bank account, or even get welfare.

And yes I’m jealous of your bike.
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You said racists. I was just answering questions.
 
faseljd said:
Where Trump is leaving his legacy on America is the appointment of judges, something that will live on far beyond his tenure.
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McConnell is behind the judges, not sure Trump cares.

Trump's legacy will be undoing the security partnerships that have kept the peace for 70 years and opened the door to Russian resurgence. Our partners can never trust us again as someone like Trump could follow a constructive world partner and burn everything down.
Mathewrussell52 said:
Where do you live? You make it sound terrible and full of racist. How many people do you know that don’t have a ID. You can’t live with out one. You can’t get a job, open a bank account, or even get welfare.

And yes I’m jealous of your bike.
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Hey he brought it up, not me. But here's one for you too..... :poke:

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fallenarch said:
McConnell is behind the judges, not sure Trump cares.

Trump's legacy will be undoing the security partnerships that have kept the peace for 70 years and opened the door to Russian resurgence. Our partners can never trust us again as someone like Trump could follow a constructive world partner and burn everything down.


Hey he brought it up, not me. But here's one for you too..... :poke:

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Too bad they make you guys put those awful looking number plates on there.....
 
I am leaning toward the Convention of States movement. It gives power back to the states. They are making progress in making it happen. I really hope they get enough states to sign up.
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Convention of States Action

Article V offers the only constitutional solution as big as the problem. Together, we can end federal overreach.
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fallenarch said:
The electoral college was enacted somewhere around the 1780's with the bunch of amendments made to the constitution to ensure it's adoption by all the states. It's always sketchy to discuss the motives of the founders but the obvious rational seems logical: Smaller states were concerned about being made irrelevant by the larger states with bigger populations. More specifically the southern slave states were concerned the northern, more populated states would dominate the country's policies.

Personally, I haven't heard a good rationale for getting rid of the EC. Yes, sometimes a guy like Trump can get through even when loosing by 3 million votes, but I don't think that's the EC's fault. Hilary tried to cherry pick her campaigning efforts and she misjudged the electoral vote count. Also, Republicans have rigged so many voting districts to essentially make minority votes irrelevant. Those are the problems that make the EC not work and we get presidents the country didn't vote for by a majority. For example Obama ran a 50 state campaign and he cleaned up the popular and EC votes twice.

If we get rid of the EC, the results would be huge. It would be possible to win three or four states and be president. Smaller states would be ignored by candidates when they are running for election and after they are elected. Also the considerable campaign economy would all get spent in NY, CA, and maybe FL or TX.

For Dems, we just have to win state governments and work through the courts to stop the unlawful taking of voter rights from millions of minorities. For Reps, it doesn't look good as they are a minority that's getting smaller and smaller every day. Cheating and unamerican activities may be their only option.
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IMHO the EC is totally outdated, skewed by money (1% of the population with funding and lobbying influences who and how the EC members are chosen and how they vote).
The biggest problem being that the real professional folks who make this country work, such as entrepreneurs and officers of Fortune 500 companies, successful small business leaders, are too engaged in the economy, don’t engage actively in the political parties and we end up with a bunch of idiots running the system, under manipulation from the 1% previously mentioned.

Do you know who was behind the Dems getting back the house? It was one person and $100 million that did it. I will let you guess who that was and what he is up to right now. Let’s see how informed you are?

Is it fair, that an independent has no chance to win the election for President, because the system has become so badly rigged?
Linky

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About the Electors

The Electoral College website now has an easy-to-remember address. Make sure to update your bookmarks! What are the qualifications to be an elector? The U.S. Constitution contains very few provisions relating to the qualifications of electors. Article II, section 1, clause 2 provides that no...
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jellyrug said:
IMHO the EC is totally outdated, skewed by money (1% of the population with funding and lobbying influences who and how the EC members are chosen and how they vote).
The biggest problem being that the real professional folks who make this country work, such as entrepreneurs and officers of Fortune 500 companies, successful small business leaders, are too engaged in the economy, don’t engage actively in the political parties and we end up with a bunch of idiots running the system, under manipulation from the 1% previously mentioned.

Do you know who was behind the Dems getting back the house? It was one person and $100 million that did it. I will let you guess who that was and what he is up to right now. Let’s see how informed you are?

Is it fair, that an independent has no chance to win the election for President, because the system has become so badly rigged?
Linky

www.archives.gov

About the Electors

The Electoral College website now has an easy-to-remember address. Make sure to update your bookmarks! What are the qualifications to be an elector? The U.S. Constitution contains very few provisions relating to the qualifications of electors. Article II, section 1, clause 2 provides that no...
www.archives.gov www.archives.gov
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I actually know several people who have been electors for both sides. Yes these people are big money donors and political insiders. You have to be someone who the party wants to reward to get one of these seats. But that is not necessarily corrupt. After the election, some time in Jan. the electoral college gets together to elect the president. The electors cast votes for the candidate who the people elected 99.99999% of the time. In fact I know of no examples of the electors going against the will of the people. In 2016, there was talk of the electors not voting for Trump, but that was squashed. So I don't get how this is a corrupt evil thing. As with everything, it could certainly be corrupted but if reality the electors have little to no practical power.

There are many reasonable arguments against the EC, but I never hear people who are against it address the issue of protecting the little states. Maybe we need some adjustments, but like I said already the problem is how we are counting voters not the EC.
 
busabobh said:
Sounds like what the Republicans did with Clinton, except Clinton was only hurting his family while Trump is hurting the whole country. Politics as usual.
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Except, of course, you had: 1) Clinton on tape and under oath, perjuring himself; and 2) First 'hand' witness....
 
WuzzaCBXRider said:
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But the facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.

The reason many are not shocked about this is that this president has dumbed down the idea of morality in his administration. He has hired and fired a number of people who are now convicted criminals. He himself has admitted to immoral actions in business and his relationship with women, about which he remains proud. His Twitter feed alone—with its habitual string of mischaracterizations, lies, and slanders—is a near perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused.
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Except that, there is no proof or evidence that any of the above happened - only conjecture. No first hand witnesses, no smoking gun, none of it...
 
fallenarch said:
The system was designed to be a pendulum. As conditions in the country call for a conserative or liberal response, those representatives would be voted power. But as the sides become more extreme, the pendulum is threatening to overturn. I believe this is the goal of the alt-right.
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I believe that the goal of Antifa, the Socialists and those who wish to harm our Republic...Trying to take away 2A rights..I'd say that's swinging the pendulum too far...
 
fallenarch said:
I actually know several people who have been electors for both sides. Yes these people are big money donors and political insiders. You have to be someone who the party wants to reward to get one of these seats. But that is not necessarily corrupt. After the election, some time in Jan. the electoral college gets together to elect the president. The electors cast votes for the candidate who the people elected 99.99999% of the time. In fact I know of no examples of the electors going against the will of the people. In 2016, there was talk of the electors not voting for Trump, but that was squashed. So I don't get how this is a corrupt evil thing. As with everything, it could certainly be corrupted but if reality the electors have little to no practical power.

There are many reasonable arguments against the EC, but I never hear people who are against it address the issue of protecting the little states. Maybe we need some adjustments, but like I said already the problem is how we are counting voters not the EC.
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Good input, but there was one question you did not answer?
Then I have another question, if the system is working OK in your view, how did we reach the doom and gloom you posted earlier? Or is that just that most voters are stupid and select those who are moving the country into doom and gloom?

There is probably a bit of humor in my questions above, but on a serious note, the only competition Trump has, has to do with a whole lot of money coming from Michael Bloomberg. The guy is so confident, he is not even wasting his time at the debates. Although that may be very capatilistic, he is a smart successful guy and would get my vote. He is the one responsible for getting Nancy into the speaker position, but I think it is going to backfire on him and Trump will get a second term. Time will tell.
 
skydivr said:
Except that, there is no proof or evidence that any of the above happened - only conjecture. No first hand witnesses, no smoking gun, none of it...
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Ha ha ha . No evidence other than the Pres himself admitting it on camera and then asking China to help him out too. Then his Chief of Staff saying he did it, does it all the time and get over it. The pres is looking for the whistle blower and it's him. If it wasn't so sad and dangerous for this country it would be funny.
 
jellyrug said:
Good input, but there was one question you did not answer?
Then I have another question, if the system is working OK in your view, how did we reach the doom and gloom you posted earlier? Or is that just that most voters are stupid and select those who are moving the country into doom and gloom?

There is probably a bit of humor in my questions above, but on a serious note, the only competition Trump has, has to do with a whole lot of money coming from Michael Bloomberg. The guy is so confident, he is not even wasting his time at the debates. Although that may be very capatilistic, he is a smart successful guy and would get my vote. He is the one responsible for getting Nancy into the speaker position, but I think it is going to backfire on him and Trump will get a second term. Time will tell.
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I didn't say the system was working well. But it's not the system that is broke. The system only works if both side hold the good of the whole as the highest goal. If not, a system based on compromise will and is failing.

Trump is not doing that well, not sure where the confidence is coming from. Part of his insisting on breaking laws to get foreign help in the elections is because he is not going to win this time by sneaking in the EC door. That puts him 3 million plus votes behind a bad turnout year. Dems are cutting into his demographics with women and suburbs too. The last 2 elections since Trumps win have been disasters.
 
fallenarch said:
I didn't say the system was working well. But it's not the system that is broke. The system only works if both side hold the good of the whole as the highest goal. If not, a system based on compromise will and is failing.

Trump is not doing that well, not sure where the confidence is coming from. Part of his insisting on breaking laws to get foreign help in the elections is because he is not going to win this time by sneaking in the EC door. That puts him 3 million plus votes behind a bad turnout year. Dems are cutting into his demographics with women and suburbs too. The last 2 elections since Trumps win have been disasters.
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LOL, I will quote both our posts after the elections.
 
skydivr said:
Except that, there is no proof or evidence that any of the above happened - only conjecture. No first hand witnesses, no smoking gun, none of it...
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Whaaa? Conjecture? If someone says it’s raining outside and you look outside and everything’s wet, what other evidence do you need? No first hand witness? How about his own admission and those of his own people? You really (really) should start paying attention. Get a TV, look at the internet, the entire internet, not just Faux news.
 
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