It just doesn't stop

Ok once again
Do you even read your links? I don't need a class on how the electoral college works (or my opinion does not work). Also, the best argument in favor is that "it protects smaller states". How on earth does it do that? Any state is basically made up of it's qualified voters and everyone gets a vote. It also mentions the dilemma of the system basically suppressing the vote count as countless people on both sides know their vote in their state is basically meaningless due to the electoral college system. Is that what we want? A partial opinion of the voters of the U.S.? The only fair way to keep the system is if the number of electoral votes is directly proportional to the numbers of voters in that state. It would still suppress or demotivate some voters and I can not wrap my head around why this archaic process is still in place.
 
Do you even read your links? I don't need a class on how the electoral college works (or my opinion does not work). Also, the best argument in favor is that "it protects smaller states". How on earth does it do that? Any state is basically made up of it's qualified voters and everyone gets a vote. It also mentions the dilemma of the system basically suppressing the vote count as countless people on both sides know their vote in their state is basically meaningless due to the electoral college system. Is that what we want? A partial opinion of the voters of the U.S.? The only fair way to keep the system is if the number of electoral votes is directly proportional to the numbers of voters in that state. It would still suppress or demotivate some voters and I can not wrap my head around why this archaic process is still in place.
Electoral votes are proportionate to actual voters. It’s what causes the electors to be chosen for a particular candidate. It seems you still do not understand this.
 
Likely doesn’t mean for sure. I doubt we'll ever know for sure. So maybe Trump was right. So what?

I agree, border needs to be secured. What we don't need is a useless multi million dollar wall that isn't high enough to stop anyone but the very young and very old.

So with no iran deal there's zero chance to stop them. Israel better fire up the bombers again I guess.

Hunter Biden and his laptop. The new Hillarys email. Everyone is sick of this put up or shut up. Charge him or leave him alone.

Trump is a liar and unfit for any office.
So now you go from he lied to OK maybe he didn't so what. You take a position. Those gosh darn facts. So what.

I agree about the wall not being literally correct. He also stated anything that could prevent them from stepping one foot on American soil. And P.S. even if I don't agree with the physical wall, he got the amount of immigrants getting to American soil down to an all time low. So a virtual wall worked.

But Biden......yeah he's a stellar replacement!
 
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Blanca, I said directly proportionate, and they are not. It is close but the variance is enough to distort the nation's choice by election. Also, the percentage of voters that vote for a particular candidate should be a determining factor in the number of electoral votes awarded. Or, how about get rid of the rediculous system all together.
 
So now you go from he lied to OK maybe he didn't so what. You take a position. Those gosh darn facts. So what.

I agree about the wall not being literally correct. He also stated anything that could prevent them from stepping one foot on American soil. And P.S. even if I don't agree with the physical wall, he got the amount of immigrants getting to American soil down to an all time low. So a virtual wall worked.

But Biden......yeah he's a stellar replacement!
The only reason I say maybe he was right is because nobody knows for sure.

We agree on the need for better border control.
 
Definition: Because that's the way it is. There's a good reason right? Why doesn't every person in New York City get a meaningful vote just like every person in Idaho? Because that's the way it is.
Best on earth? Super arguable. I say change it.
Hi. I say that every one gets 1 vote. Like Obama said we SHOULD fundamentaly change America to be all 100% equal. To do this the state should the over all personal assets. Pay EVERY one $15.00 am hr even the people who do not want to work. Or we could just give evetone what they need to live. That woud be kind of like wellfair for every one. Anyone can play any sport they want to. It would be perfect kind of like what is that word I am looking for????????? I think it starts with a C?????????????
 
Blanca, I said directly proportionate, and they are not. It is close but the variance is enough to distort the nation's choice by election. Also, the percentage of voters that vote for a particular candidate should be a determining factor in the number of electoral votes awarded. Or, how about get rid of the rediculous system all together.
While we are at it what other hallmark institutions would you like to do away with?
This is only an issue due to Bush v Gore and Trump v Hillary. Those are the only two times in our recent history the loser had more of the popular vote. And go figure for democrats to still be trying to change the system they’ve been fine with for 200yrs because they lost twice.
 

The availability of guns in some cases makes it easier to kill more. But there is still an underlying issue we are missing. This case is another young man who’s just randomly killing people? Should be correlative studies done on all these people to find the common factors they share. There are probably a few.
 
While we are at it what other hallmark institutions would you like to do away with?
This is only an issue due to Bush v Gore and Trump v Hillary. Those are the only two times in our recent history the loser had more of the popular vote. And go figure for democrats to still be trying to change the system they’ve been fine with for 200yrs because they lost twice.
I voted for Bush vs Gore. I thought Clinton did a good job but I thought the pendulum should swing back the other way. Ultimately it was a mistake as the country was in a mess when George W left office. I’ve always been against the electoral college because it discounts votes. Whoever more people vote for should win. It should be so simple yet not because of an old system that doesn’t make sense.
 
I voted for Bush vs Gore. I thought Clinton did a good job but I thought the pendulum should swing back the other way. Ultimately it was a mistake as the country was in a mess when George W left office. I’ve always been against the electoral college because it discounts votes. Whoever more people vote for should win. It should be so simple yet not because of an old system that doesn’t make sense.
Well things were a mess because 9/11 changed his priorities. The war on terror is messy. I worked under his admin. He abandoned political correctness in favor of taking hardcore measures to protect us from another terrorist attack. As nd then going to war where they lived.

As per usual, if you work a problem when it's small, it doesn't cost as much. Or you can put it off until it's a lot bigger. And it cost a lot more.

Bush inherited a problem that was allowed to get too big. Because it saved $$ and made a president look fiscally good.
 
Well things were a mess because 9/11 changed his priorities. The war on terror is messy. I worked under his admin. He abandoned political correctness in favor of taking hardcore measures to protect us from another terrorist attack. As nd then going to war where they lived.

As per usual, if you work a problem when it's small, it doesn't cost as much. Or you can put it off until it's a lot bigger. And it cost a lot more.

Bush inherited a problem that was allowed to get too big. Because it saved $$ and made a president look fiscally good.
Eight years later we were in a financial crisis. Was that Clinton's fault as well? Blaming across the aisle is and has been the American way for some time now. At some point somebody has to own their mistakes.
 
Eight years later we were in a financial crisis. Was that Clinton's fault as well? Blaming across the aisle is and has been the American way for some time now. At some point somebody has to own their mistakes.
Lol. So by your logic, Trump's economic success is due to Obama's economy? But Bush's failure came from Clinton's bad economy? You can't mix and match logic to suit your argument.

I said Bush Jr. had to deal with 9/11 and the war on terror that was declared in his administration. The previous administrations (notice I said plural) kicked that can down the street until it became 9/11. Bush Sr. could have done a better job when the problem was smaller. Reagan would have.

So we don't know what the economy would have looked like if you take out what Bush Jr. took on. But we'd probably had been in better shape than when Obama took office. Needless to say that effort cost us money. And will take years to dig out of.

Then Obama bailed out the banks in the housing crash. That cost money. Add more years.

Started ObamaCare. Need we say more about the cost of that?

Add more years.

Pulled out of Afghanistan ridiculously badly. Which resulted in a new round of spending on terror.

So add more years.

Then came Trump. Now we add the pandemic cost. Now you add more years.

Now add Ukraine war.
Add more years.

Now forgive student debt. Add more years.

Slow the economy down
Add more years.

Clinton was blessed with a good economy and he chose to defer chyt. So he could look good fiscally. But the dominoes of his decisions began to fall.

And we didn't need the help of a Pandemic and Ukraine. Both admins have been printing $$ out of thin air.

That will add more years.

Now we have Biden that pissed off OPEC so bad they are attempting to get off the USD standard.

We won't be able to print money out of that hole.
 
Lol. So by your logic, Trump's economic success is due to Obama's economy? But Bush's failure came from Clinton's bad economy? You can't mix and match logic to suit your argument.
Not sure where you extracted said logic from my post. I never mentioned Obama having a direct affect on Trump nor Clinton helping or hurting Bush. Partisan BS means nothing to me. I’ve voted for Democrats and Republicans my whole life depending on who is leading them.
That said, Bush and Obama agreed on the bank and auto industry bailouts. The discussion started during Bush’s tenure and finished after Obama took office. I agreed it was for the best for what it’s worth.
 
Not sure where you extracted said logic from my post. I never mentioned Obama having a direct affect on Trump nor Clinton helping or hurting Bush. Partisan BS means nothing to me. I’ve voted for Democrats and Republicans my whole life depending on who is leading them.
That said, Bush and Obama agreed on the bank and auto industry bailouts. The discussion started during Bush’s tenure and finished after Obama took office. I agreed it was for the best for what it’s worth.
"Eight years later we were in a financial crisis."

OK I'll let you elaborate on this meaning.

Eight years after who or what?

Yeah sometimes some presidents have effed things up that last decades. Bush Jr being an example. He destabilized the entire middle east by taking out Saddam.

Been decades now.
 
8 years of Bush. The crisis was probably caused by the crash of the housing market. Too much energy building and not enough buyers. Was the interest rate to blame or lack of common sense? The reaction to 9/11 didn’t help.
 
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8 years of Bush. The crisis was probably caused by the crash of the housing market. Too much energy building and not enough buyers. Was the interest rate to blame or lack of common sense? The reaction to 9/11 didn’t help.
Predatory loans. 120% financing. No money down. Interest only payments for 5 or so years. No doc loans. For anyone with a pulse.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
Predatory loans. 120% financing. No money down. Interest only payments for 5 or so years. No doc loans. For anyone with a pulse.

What could possibly go wrong?
Everything and did when borrowers threw common sense aside and settled down in dreamland. Bush shouldn't have to shoulder all the blame. Overall I thought he was decent, Katrina was hardly his fault though he might have reponded better. I thought his initial reaction to 9/11 was his best moment, genuinely leading us together in mourning.
 
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