Lets go deep!

[HT_USMC]

didn't you see Men In Black? We live in a giant locker.

Oh yeah............................

Definately explains that smell (anyone else smell that - dear gawd), where that missing sock vanishes too after doing the laundry, and why we as children have a predisposition to either stuff others or be stuffed by others into lockers, closets, or the like.

 

[05BUSABLU]

<<<<reaching for my painkillers....thanks everyone

 

[HT_USMC]

IMO,you can compare the space between the planets and galaxies like the space between an electron and the nucleus of protons and neutrons, just fuggin space

yet isn't there SOMETHING inbetween the nucleus and protons, yes? detectable 'matter' I think, but could there be something there where there is nothing? like in space?

we can't SEE air or oxygen and yet we are swimming in it constantly

Someone... take out the kiola...

 

[stkr00]

Space is the one thing that never peaked my curiosity...even though I love Physics.

Good reading in the posts above, but I wouldn't have any idea where to start in this topic.

I was a blonde as a child...that's my excuse

 

[HT_USMC]

I was a blonde as a child...that's my excuse

I hear google is working out well...

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[CorrodedAlien]

Damn I step out to enjoy the Indian Summer and ya'll go nuts...

 

[WWJD]

I'll post some of my thoughts after dinner when I get home. I wanted to see some real people responses. Lots of good brain power here

Imagination is more important than knowledge. -- Albert Einstein

... now, why do you suppose that is?

 

[Mr Brown]

How can space be a vacuum unless it is contained by something? A vacuum is not a natural state of existence, it has to be surrounded by something to maintain its integrity.
That being said, I have no idea what it might be contained in, my tiny brain cannot fathom something that size......
Very interesting topic, I'll pick it up again from home after supper.

 

[1127 TO 1299]

IMO,you can compare the space between the planets and galaxies like the space between an electron and the nucleus of protons and neutrons, just fuggin space

yet isn't there SOMETHING inbetween the nucleus and protons, yes? detectable 'matter' I think, but could there be something there where there is nothing? like in space?

we can't SEE air or oxygen and yet we are swimming in it constantly

ok, many people thinks that if you can't see it and there is no air/gas/water, there's nothing. But you are right, there is matter or traces of matter.

 

[HT_USMC]

How can space be a vacuum unless it is contained by something? A vacuum is not a natural state of existence, it has to be surrounded by something to maintain its integrity.
That being said, I have no idea what it might be contained in, my tiny brain cannot fathom something that size......
Very interesting topic, I'll pick it up again from home after supper.

Actually I would disagree...

I would think a vacuum would be caused by the absence of a "container" thus allowing space to pour out so to speak thus creating th vacuum. We've heard for years that space is still expanding which would support my own theory that the vacuum is caused by that expansion.

A vacuum is psuedo-natural actually. If you wave your cupped-hand through the air. You create a vacuum or a low pressure zone behind your hand. Kind of like riding the Busa up behind a big rig... you get to that point where the "baffles" start tossing you around. That's caused by the vacuum or low pressure being filled back in after the rig moves through.

 

[Relsek]

When I was a kid, I used to wonder what was beyond the edge of the Universe, but then I realized that if there is an edge, there must be something on the other side of that edge. It wasn't until just a few years ago that I realized what it is that fills the Universe, all of it, even beyond my imaginary edge.








"God"

 

[HT_USMC]

I'll post some of my thoughts after dinner when I get home. I wanted to see some real people responses. Lots of good brain power here

Imagination is more important than knowledge. -- Albert Einstein

... now, why do you suppose that is?

First, he would have said that because even his Theory of Relativity was scoffed at by scholars and mathematicians. It was the questions he had (much like the one your are posing here) that drove him to providing great answers (regardless of their accuracy - the answers given at least get the ball rolling - again like the current thread has done). So he had some personal stake in the comment.

Second, knowledge, while freeing the mind can also restrict the same mind. If you adhear strictly to the things your are taught, you might be booksmart but you aren't necessarily a great thinker. Imagination, requires one to be a great thinker though not necessarily booksmart. However, knowledge doesn't inspire one to imagine... rather most get caught up in the accolades of this world. On the other hand, imagination typically drives one to seek knowledge. I think that's the ambition behind his message.

Great quote WWJD!

 

[Mr Brown]

How can space be a vacuum unless it is contained by something? A vacuum is not a natural state of existence, it has to be surrounded by something to maintain its integrity.
That being said, I have no idea what it might be contained in, my tiny brain cannot fathom something that size......
Very interesting topic, I'll pick it up again from home after supper.

Actually I would disagree...

I would think a vacuum would be caused by the absence of a "container" thus allowing space to pour out so to speak thus creating th vacuum.  We've heard for years that space is still expanding which would support my own theory that the vacuum is caused by that expansion.

A vacuum is psuedo-natural actually.  If you wave your cupped-hand through the air.  You create a vacuum or a low pressure zone behind your hand.  Kind of like riding the Busa up behind a big rig... you get to that point where the "baffles" start tossing you around.  That's caused by the vacuum or low pressure being filled back in after the rig moves through.

If the vacuum is caused by lack of a container, how do you explain different rates of movement within it? If you were to remove the contents of a glass of water from it's conainer, friction along the surface of whatever the water landed on would determine it's rate and pattern of spread, right? In this friction-less vacuum, why do different things move at different speeds?
The low pressure area behind your hand or the big rig is not naturally there, the action of your hand, or the truck causes it within a defined space. Your wave, or the speed of the truck is what determines the size and shape of the vacuum.

 

[Mr Brown]

When I was a kid, I used to wonder what was beyond the edge of the Universe, but then I realized that if there is an edge, there must be something on the other side of that edge. It wasn't until just a few years ago that I realized what it is that fills the Universe, all of it, even beyond my imaginary edge.








"God"

I hope you know that I both respect your belief, and happen to agree with it, but for the sake of discussion, how can God possibly fill all the spaces in the universe, and if he does, where does the universe end? At what point does God become time rather than simply space?

 

[Relsek]

When I was a kid, I used to wonder what was beyond the edge of the Universe, but then I realized that if there is an edge, there must be something on the other side of that edge. It wasn't until just a few years ago that I realized what it is that fills the Universe, all of it, even beyond my imaginary edge.








"God"

how can God possibly fill all the spaces in the universe, and if he does, where does the universe end? At what point does God become time rather than simply space?

A great quandry it is.

 

[FastBusa]

Dark Mater

 

[race1gun]

could be some type of plasma at the fartherest reaches of the universe. and beyond that God sitting back thinking this whole thing .
He spoke it and nothing became everything.
it blows the mind.

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[HT_USMC]

If the vacuum is caused by lack of a container, how do you explain different rates of movement within it? If you were to remove the contents of a glass of water from it's conainer, friction along the surface of whatever the water landed on would determine it's rate and pattern of spread, right? In this friction-less vacuum, why do different things move at different speeds?
The low pressure area behind your hand or the big rig is not naturally there, the action of your hand, or the truck causes it within a defined space. Your wave, or the speed of the truck is what determines the size and shape of the vacuum.

First you can't compare space to water... two different "elements" (can I losely call space an element?!?). Second, there are more forces than just friction acting in space. Gravity, Magnetics, some friction due to planets/debris, exploding/imploding stars... and I'm sure countless other things I'm not aware of. So take the water and place it half way over an oil spot in your driveway and release it and it would be a similar effect I would think? Some moves faster than the rest, rocks change its course, the density of the water changes in places as it picks up debris, etc. The problem is the water stops because it is something (not nothing) and has a particular measurable quantity. Space is nothing and therefore has no measuremable quantity. I'm not sure I'm right but that's my thinking....

As far as the vacuum being natural... I did qualify it as psuedo-natural. It's natural in the sense that, if there is a force (or lack thereof) or action to cause the vacuum then that vacuum is a naturally occuring phenomenon, isnt it? Heck just get into a pool and open your mouth... that's a vacuum. Water rushes in to fill that void. Your muscles expand your lungs to create a partial vacuum inside them, and air rushes in to fill the vacuum. Drinking from a straw creates a vacuum. Saying a vacuum isn't natural on any level would be like saying waves aren't natural... they are caused by wind, gravity, pressure systems, and etc. Like saying the tide isn't natural because the moon's gravitational pull effects that. Wouldn't it? Is mankind not a part of nature?


Great debate! Loads of fun

 

[Mr Brown]

First you can't compare space to water... [/QUOTE]
Why not? I was using the example of a substance (space, water, whatever) being released from a container into a vacuum. Space consists of a bunch of stuff (Planets, galaxies, matter) that is contained(?) in a vacuum. A vacuum has to be contained in something, and caused by something, (an action) or it does not occur.If the vacuum in which our known universe is contained is the space behind a truck, or the space in someone's lungs, they/it is the causer/container, and they are quite large....
Second, there are more forces than just friction acting in space. Gravity, Magnetics, some friction due to planets/debris, exploding/imploding stars... [/QUOTE]
These all exist on a comparitively local scale. There is no evidence of the entire universe reacting in unison to any of these forces.
The problem is the water stops because it is something (not nothing) and has a particular measurable quantity. Space is nothing and therefore has no measuremable quantity.[/QUOTE]
Space can not be nothing, it is measureable, we just don't know how to measure it......

 

[mjn]

Tachyons and Time Travel
Special Relativity states that nothing that is moving initially slower than the speed of light can be accelerated to exceed the speed of light. This is not strictly speaking the same as the statement that nothing can travel faster than light. It is in principle possible that particles exist which move faster than light from the moment they are created. If such particles did exist, however, Special Relativity implies that they could never be slowed down to velocities below the speed of light. The existence of such particles, called tachyons, has not been totally ruled out, but several experiments have tried, without luck to detect them. If they did exist, and they interacted with ordinary matter, it would give us the means to communicate with the past. Tachyons could literally be sent outwards, bounce off a tachyonic mirror, and return before they were sent. This in turn would give rise to a great many logical problems. For example, if you sent a message back in time that caused your grandfather to be killed before your father was conceived, then you would not be around to send the message that prevented your birth, so that you would be around to send the message, so that you wouldn't be around....etc.
So in Theory, I have tried this........and your not reading this message!

Or......was there ever a message?

I'm starting to feel kinda dizzy...........or am I?