MLK B-Day & Obama Inauguration

[skydivr]

You may get your wish, as Obama wants to do away with the 2 term limit.

Even the conspiracy theorist I am doesn't believe this one. I'm sure some of his supporters might, but that's NOT going to fly under any circumstances. Remember I said that in case I have to eat my words in 2016.

 

[VaBusa]

I won't lie, I didn't read this entire thread, but isn't it sad that on MLK day, we just added a slice to the huge division pie in this country? Ironic if anything, and pretty sad no matter how you dice it up...

It was a day to remember MLK, not show just how divided we all still are and will likely always be...

:2cents:

 

[black diamond busa]

Today is an amazing day in America. Today we will celebrate two great Americans who looked past the struggles of their day and reached for a better vision for this country and then made it happen. Our country has always relied on great men and women to be a catalyst for change, as drivers to the evolution of this country.
When Barrack Obama saw the possibility of a black man being president even relatively well-off minorities like myself didn’t think it was possible to achieve. Barrack’s election showed that Americans can rise to the words written by our founding fathers centuries ago. His second election, against very difficult opposition, shows that America is committed to a new direction.
MLK’s civil rights movement and Obama’s inauguration represent defining, transformational moments in America’s history. I know many here will not agree with me on this one, but it’s hard to argue this is not a historical moment.

I do have to agree on that with you fallenarch . After reading all the posts and trying not to comment, I just had to. I really love how alot of people think it wasnt a big thing since racism doesn't exist. Sorry but it still does, its just done behind peoples backs now. Hopefully someday we as a people can get past that but I don't see it any time soon sadly. Just to make it clear I hear racist comments from both party's towards each other from friends and coworkers.

 

[Postal]

I won't lie, I didn't read this entire thread, but isn't it sad that on MLK day, we just added a slice to the huge division pie in this country? Ironic if anything, and pretty sad no matter how you dice it up...

It was a day to remember MLK, not show just how divided we all still are and will likely always be...

:2cents:

Good comment Chelle. I often wonder what it is inside of us that divides us? Is it fear? Is it greed? Is it a natural tendancy towards survival? Who really knows? I do know that I am not a racist, I get along quite well with people of all colors, religions, race, and creed because I am firm in my beliefs. I don't care if people think like I do, that would be a pretty boring world. I respectfully disagree with some, and leave it at that. I don't think it does any good to attack someone's personal character for their beliefs either, whether it is political, religious, or any other way. I can say I am very passionate about some things, more than others, like some of the issues being debated in our country today, but those are my passions. If people disagree with me then they just disagree. I don't think they are evil or anything like that, although I know that evil does exist. Maybe division comes from an unwillingness to be fair with one another, and to respect each other. We existed for many years in this country with differing opinions, but we didn't have the fevered-pitch of division we see today. I heard someone on the radio the other day state the following: "Never in all my years have I ever seen so many Americans in such a viseral state of fear over the government reaching into our lives and taking control." So maybe it is fear. I've seen both sides of the political aisle drum up fear, but does that mean they both are right? Maybe the reason we have reached this point in America of being so divided is because the powers that be have escalated fear to an all time high, knowing that gets some kind of "results" for them. Well maybe it does, but it also divides us. So I guess in a round-about way I answered my own question. I'll step down now.

P.

 

[semi]

there is nothing new under the sun! things aren't any worse now than they have been many times in the past...the first man born on the Earth killed the second one, why should we expect peace and harmony? just in the short time this country has been around, we have wiped out entire groups of people, gone through the bitterness of neighbor against neighbor in the Revolution, brother against brother in the Civil War, interned entire groups of people during the World Wars, and shot and beat each other up over color, ethnicity, religion, sexual preference, and any other division we seem to be able to find...all i can control is my own actions and even more importantly at times, my reactions...MLK was someone who i believe truly got this and would be sorely disappointed in many things going on today including this thread!!!!!

 

[RussellJ]

uke:

 

[fallenarch]

there is nothing new under the sun! things aren't any worse now than they have been many times in the past...the first man born on the Earth killed the second one, why should we expect peace and harmony? just in the short time this country has been around, we have wiped out entire groups of people, gone through the bitterness of neighbor against neighbor in the Revolution, brother against brother in the Civil War, interned entire groups of people during the World Wars, and shot and beat each other up over color, ethnicity, religion, sexual preference, and any other division we seem to be able to find...all i can control is my own actions and even more importantly at times, my reactions...MLK was someone who i believe truly got this and would be sorely disappointed in many things going on today including this thread!!!!!

I think most people see the world as a zero sum game. If someone gets a little more then I get a little less. One group steps up then the other must step down. It's hard for people to see how "different" can be better until they get used to it and realize that they don't even miss what they gave up. The past always looks better because it is past and you don't have to fear it anymore.

I couldn't agree more about the conflict thing though.

 

[Bigdawg76]

I dont think there is much to disagree with about that. im not a fan of Obama but so what. I am a fan of MLK tho.

yea im sure a lot of people voted for him purely because he was black and have no clue about politics but id bet there are just as many that voted for Romney because he is white.... but lets face it Obama didnt get into office purely on the black vote. thats just not mathamatically possible considering blacks only make up 13% of the population.

WOW you are so RIGHT. Seems like people don't really realize this

 

[dadofthree]

Whats the historic value? We've elected presidents before, we've celebrated mlk day before, we've had a "black" president before (if youre the sort of guy that means something to). Sorry but I disagree with the huge significance of today.

Guess I am the sort of guy that means something to.

Me too.

with this mentality, youre perpetuating the very thing youre believing youve overcome.

Who said we're all the same? We are frankly very different. But different peoples can come together to build a great nation, that is in fact what this country is all about. There is a reason why black people live where they do and most of those are racism. In case you haven't noticed the country is coming together. Look at who voted for Obama, it's every racial and gender group but you.

Would you guys tell me what's being said here ?

 

[dadofthree]

Whats the historic value? We've elected presidents before, we've celebrated mlk day before, we've had a "black" president before (if youre the sort of guy that means something to). Sorry but I disagree with the huge significance of today.

Guess I am the sort of guy that means something to.

Me too.

with this mentality, youre perpetuating the very thing youre believing youve overcome.

Well I knew this thread would pull a few out of the woodwork. But I thought so what? It's a great day and I'm still going to enjoy it.

I agree but some were already out Come on America, you're better than this. He's saying there's some racist around. There I said it. First amendment protects you. Stop with the code words and say what you mean and mean what you say folks.

 

[dadofthree]

Was the President sworn in on Sunday Jan. 20th or Monday the 21st ?

 

[dadofthree]

That's actually a good point. Blacks would not vote for Alan West or Clarence Thomas in numbers. But I think they would vote just as much for Colin Powell as they did for Obama. It is not as simple as voting for a black skinned person, they do have to be aligned with and have the respect of the black community generally speaking.

I don't think Al Sharpton jumping on you for saying you voted for a white guy is any different than people on this forum jumping on me because i said yesterday was a historic day. But I keep all that in perspective. Last night about 500 people had viewed this thread. Most either agreed or disagreed and went on about their business. Only really 2 people felt the need to go negative. I respect their right to do that but I'm not looking to change anyone's mind about this sort of thing. When I posted it I knew someone would want to pick a fight over it. But it's all good and when I do post provacative threads i look forward to people like you calling me out on it.

Don't know who Alan West is. Clarence Thomas seems to be a good man and has had to put up with a lot in his life. A lot more than he should have. I disagree with what you say about Powell, because I can remember when he was running people saying he wasn't black , he was an islander or something like that. What it really comes down to I think is what are your politics. I kinda feel like our country is in a party strangle hold and that it has and is doing great damage.

 

[dadofthree]

My creed is that I base my world on science, I believe what a woman does with her body is her business, not mine, the world is warming at an alarming rate...caused by mankind, education trumps superstition, red states use significantly more of federal money than blue states but critisize Obama "as a socialist", fossil fuel is a finite and polluting resource and contributes to greed, war and poverty. Many low income conservatives actually vote against their own best interests because of the myth that "liberals want to give away hard working peoples money to lazy deadbeats".

Wake up folks, the multi national corporations have transferred the wealth of our Nation to a tiny few over the last 30 years....and you still blame the poverty class for trying to survive. The Congress are whores to the ultra rich and there have been over 300 "silent filibusters" over the last 4 years by the so called "conservative party" (nothing conservative about them..they are radicals). Silent filibusters on bills to put people to work, help Veterans, work on crumbling infrastructure, etc.......but just keep blaming President Obama and watching those three turds on "Fox and Friends".
Responding to my post with clever albeit misleading soundbites will not be necessary, I've heard it all. It's sewage.

You have spoken other opinions don't matter

 

[dadofthree]

Wow, sorry about all the quoting, but I didn't do that

Those first three quotes were used in one post.

 

[fallenarch]

It's alright about the quoting brother. I actually enjoyed reading the quotes more than your parts anyway (couldn't resist that one).

 

[dadofthree]

It's alright about the quoting brother. I actually enjoyed reading the quotes more than your parts anyway (couldn't resist that one).

I understand, but could you explain to me what was being said in those quotes.

 

[raydog]

You have spoken other opinions don't matter

That's not true...the ones that agree with me matter!

 

[fallenarch]

I understand, but could you explain to me what was being said in those quotes.

Nope, I have no idea..

 

[SS14PSI]

Don't have time at the moment to read six pages, but I'd like to say;

1) Obama can ****
2) Obama isn't half the man that MLK was

 

[Fastfrog007]

Don't have time at the moment to read six pages, but I'd like to say;

1) Obama can ****
2) Obama isn't half the man that MLK was

Nicely stated