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Needing to vent - Lockdown again (apologies to all)
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Dopey
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And because of the fact I was in that small percentage as a child I have to be leary about the fact I could fall in the small percentage that is having negative reactions to the rona jab. And while I do know there is always a minimum of 3 sides to everything i have heard from day 1 that if you contract it after you get the shot that you can still transmit it and one of those places i heard it from was from a real close friend who was one of the first in line to get his shot from his actual doctor and it was the doctor that told him but again I'm no doctor or scientist just a dirty old mechanic. I've also heard that it was the vaccine that caused the mutations but again can only go off what I read and see as it's not my field of expertise but the fact that they have said from day 1 that even after the shot you can still catch the virus just might not get as sick tells me that even if every last person on earth was able to give themselves the shot at the exact same time that the virus still would be here but that's just my take on it could definitely be wrong or i could be 100 percent correct . For me the risks of taking the shot aren't looking real good with my past record so the best route i can take is to stay away from people wear a mask where needed and carry on with my life till someone decides its my time to go.
Mythos
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The opposite could also be true. If people can catch Covid, there's no reason for the virus to mutate into something that is more contagious and more likely to kill us. If enough people caught the virus, herd immunity would be about as effective as vaccine immunity currently is, up to about 8 months. People can't spread the virus from having the vaccine but they still may contract the virus. If so, they most definitely do shed those viruses and can infect other people just like non-vacinated individuals.
Yes, people usually don't get become dangerously ill from vaccines but they usually don't from Covid either.
The virus is mainly dangerous in a human when it attacks the pulmonary system, primarily the lungs. The shots are very effective at protecting those critical organs. But the virus can be inhaled and replicate in the nostrils and sinuses even in a vaccinated person. Apparently, a vaccinated person is only a little more resistant to carrying the virus in the nasal passages. So absolutely, a vaccinated person can be a shedder.
When the virus infects a vaccinated person, it is similar to a cold or flu with generally mild symptoms. But the vaccinated and unvaccinated person can still shed the virus through sneezing, coughing, or even breathing. So this is why they are recommending masks even if you have taken a shot.
The vaccinated person can be more dangerous than an unvaccinated person simply because they can walk around shedding virus with little or no symptoms so they never know they are a shedder. Statistically, vaccinated people deal with COVID infections very well, which was always the goal of the shot. Upwards of 98% of the people in hospitals in the US with advanced COVID symptoms did not get vaccinated. We don't know how common breakthrough infections are because many may never know that that sniffle they had was COVID and they never report it or even seek medical attention.
This has the medical industry shaking in its boots. Viruses reproduce. Each reproduction is not exactly like the original virus. Some copies are so flawed they do not survive. Others are close enough to survive to reproduce, but others are better than the original (from the virus' perspective). It follows that the better reproductions will win the reproduction race and this is a mutation. It follows then that viruses reproducing in vaccinated people will eventually produce a vaccine-resistant mutation.
Masks are and have been effective public health tools forever. In Asian countries, we would always see people walking around with masks 45 years ago. Masks, by the way, will slow the spread of any airborne viral pathogen (colds, Flu, etc.). They are no more of an imposition on our freedoms than a stop sign, traffic light, or the shots that wiped out polio and the measles.
When the virus infects a vaccinated person, it is similar to a cold or flu with generally mild symptoms. But the vaccinated and unvaccinated person can still shed the virus through sneezing, coughing, or even breathing. So this is why they are recommending masks even if you have taken a shot.
The vaccinated person can be more dangerous than an unvaccinated person simply because they can walk around shedding virus with little or no symptoms so they never know they are a shedder. Statistically, vaccinated people deal with COVID infections very well, which was always the goal of the shot. Upwards of 98% of the people in hospitals in the US with advanced COVID symptoms did not get vaccinated. We don't know how common breakthrough infections are because many may never know that that sniffle they had was COVID and they never report it or even seek medical attention.
This has the medical industry shaking in its boots. Viruses reproduce. Each reproduction is not exactly like the original virus. Some copies are so flawed they do not survive. Others are close enough to survive to reproduce, but others are better than the original (from the virus' perspective). It follows that the better reproductions will win the reproduction race and this is a mutation. It follows then that viruses reproducing in vaccinated people will eventually produce a vaccine-resistant mutation.
Masks are and have been effective public health tools forever. In Asian countries, we would always see people walking around with masks 45 years ago. Masks, by the way, will slow the spread of any airborne viral pathogen (colds, Flu, etc.). They are no more of an imposition on our freedoms than a stop sign, traffic light, or the shots that wiped out polio and the measles.
Zerks
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Why do you think everything revolves around a conspiracy? Could it be all the times that governments and the media have lied to people and it caused innocent people to die of be misled?
The vaccine isn't a cure all in spite of the drivel coming from Dr Fauci and the rest of the gain of function research he has invested in it.
This virus was engineered and released upon the world with China being the scapegoat for it all. That point really doesn't matter... its what has been done since then to make matters worse that matters.
Sweden. has 10 million people... LA county has 10 million people... Do you know the difference in the infections rates between the two where precautions were and were not practiced?
Mythos
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If they all gave themselves a shot at the exact same time every 6 months, it might almost wipe out the Corona eventually. Polio is still out there and people still catch it. ....outside of the US I should add. That vaccine works and was needed. A lot of people die or are disabled from polio and treatment isn't very effective.
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mark3evo
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See below
In Sweden, 13 percent of adults have obesity and 6.9 percentTrusted Source have diabetes, while 40 percent of American adults have obesity and 9.1 percentTrusted Source have diabetes.
In Sweden, 13 percent of adults have obesity and 6.9 percentTrusted Source have diabetes, while 40 percent of American adults have obesity and 9.1 percentTrusted Source have diabetes.
Cantab
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Also
In the United States, there’s no national paid sick leave requirement. And only 12 states and Washington, D.C., require companies and businesses to offer paid sick leave.
Swedes do practice physical distancing, but officials rely on people to voluntarily follow these guidelines.
Sweden is more sparsely populated than the United States — even more so if you look at New York City, which was especially hard-hit by the new coronavirus.
Over half of Swedes live in single-person households, which makes it easier to do physical distancing.
Compare this with the United States, where just 28 percent of adults live alone. And many Americans live in multigenerational households, where the new coronavirus can easily spread from young people to older adults.
The United States also has higher rates of chronic diseases that increase the risk of severe COVID-19.
In the United States, there’s no national paid sick leave requirement. And only 12 states and Washington, D.C., require companies and businesses to offer paid sick leave.
Swedes do practice physical distancing, but officials rely on people to voluntarily follow these guidelines.
Sweden is more sparsely populated than the United States — even more so if you look at New York City, which was especially hard-hit by the new coronavirus.
Over half of Swedes live in single-person households, which makes it easier to do physical distancing.
Compare this with the United States, where just 28 percent of adults live alone. And many Americans live in multigenerational households, where the new coronavirus can easily spread from young people to older adults.
The United States also has higher rates of chronic diseases that increase the risk of severe COVID-19.
mark3evo
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there is now a realisation in the that Oz can no longer follow a ZERO Covid strategy - C19 is coming it will now be a about managing the hospitalization and vaccines - you can't keep kicking this virus can down the road forever.
source Bloomberg
"The Covid-19 delta variant has forced Australia and New Zealand to review their strategies of eliminating infections of the virus, and prompted Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison to say it’s highly unlikely his country will ever return to zero cases.
Australia’s focus needs to shift to hospitalization rates rather than case numbers, Morrison told ABC’s Insiders program Sunday. The highly infectious nature of delta raised some “pretty big” questions about New Zealand’s approach of eliminating the disease, Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said in an interview on TVNZ.
Both New Zealand and Australia have been advocates of the Covid Zero strategy since the beginning of the pandemic. Their tactics of closing borders and stopping cases of community transmission through strict restrictive measures prevented the waves of deaths seen in most other nations. The recent spread of the delta variant has challenged their strategies, with Australia on Sunday reporting its highest number of daily infections for a second straight day and New Zealand under the top level of lockdown."
source Bloomberg
"The Covid-19 delta variant has forced Australia and New Zealand to review their strategies of eliminating infections of the virus, and prompted Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison to say it’s highly unlikely his country will ever return to zero cases.
Australia’s focus needs to shift to hospitalization rates rather than case numbers, Morrison told ABC’s Insiders program Sunday. The highly infectious nature of delta raised some “pretty big” questions about New Zealand’s approach of eliminating the disease, Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said in an interview on TVNZ.
Both New Zealand and Australia have been advocates of the Covid Zero strategy since the beginning of the pandemic. Their tactics of closing borders and stopping cases of community transmission through strict restrictive measures prevented the waves of deaths seen in most other nations. The recent spread of the delta variant has challenged their strategies, with Australia on Sunday reporting its highest number of daily infections for a second straight day and New Zealand under the top level of lockdown."
ottafish
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Yep. That's the general consensus among most folk. Except the govt still has their head in the sand.
On Saturday in Melbourne, there was a anti lockdown, anti govt protest/march. Over 4000 people walked. What did the govt do? Sent in the police and the riot squads. We had our police, tasked to look after us, follow govt orders and fired tear gas and rubber bullets into the crowd.
Zerks
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Thanks for pointing that out... we are a weak country in terms of how we are prepared to combat illness. I believe most of that comes from the unhealthy eating lifestyles many Americans have adopted. The lack of physical exercise is also a factor that plays big into a countries overall state of heath.
Old talking points for sure...
Zerks
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Totalitarianism on display.... obey of get abused by the powers that be... 4000 people have an opinion... do you have an opinion? Keep it to yourself unless you want to be shot by rubber bullets if you live in Melbourne. Australia is about a year ahead of us in the global lockdown plans by the Globalist.
We are getting close to the turning point... wake up or be enslaved... you will own nothing... you will live in a 200 sq ft apartment and be happy because its free. Or... spread the word and offer people the information that wakes them up. They will tell you that you are crazy.
If you study history you can see what happens when people get control over the masses... like Mao, Hitler, Castro, Lenin and those that either followed or came before them.... We are experiencing the work of psychopaths on a mission to get the world to conform to the new standards they have in mind... or... you can die and move on to the next dimension... either way... that is where those that believe their is a God will end up. The non believers running things now believe they are God... so... obey and die anyway.
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I like how the cops had all their masks on under their noses or chins... isnt that a fine in Australia? Happy people are starting to fight back. I know Italy's police marched with protestors that burnt their vaccine cards to fight covid passports! Justin Trudeau is going to get a massive law suit from federal government unions for trying to pass mandatory covid vaccines for federal employees, it will never pass and Trudeau is dumb for even trying.
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Trudeau isn’t worth a fuzk.Rockefeller foundation and its alliances.Same as 1918.
Just the grandsons and daughters this time.David died in 2017.
The siblings are stepping up his wishes I’m guessing.
.....and that's how failed states are born....
If you've ever spent time in one of these places....you get a real appreciation for where you live in a hurry...even if it's a little messed up.
That may be true but when the biggest lie in history is being fed to people then some sort of big action may be needed.
