New Sliders Installed!!!
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I'd be interested. Too bad the dist. is in the UK. The last exchange rate is .53 pounds to the dollar. yikes......
suzuki4life
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sorry looked at the site now. tiny little pinch bolts as the main stress carrier? Bad idea Very bad idea to use a bolt to take a side impact force. As an engineer you should be the first to realize that is BAD design. On top of that the sliders are too low to the ground. Sliders need to be towartds the tank to keep the bike parallel to the ground so it doesn't barrel roll. and having anything like that, that close to the radiator just is a bad idea.
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Oh man...tiny little pinch bolts are all that's holding these to the bike?
Funny how those "pinch bolts" appear to be the same ENGINE MOUNT BOLTS that regular sliders attach to.
The right side which does go to a pinch bolt also mounts behind the engine mount. The thickness of the stainless in that area is over a ½" thick.
As far as the height. Go down to the 4th and 5th pictures and take notice of the engine mount bolts. That's where a standard slider mounts. The height difference is so small a standard slider would probably intersect these by about 50%.
I don't believe I've seen any Busa's with the sliders mounted anywhere else unless you count those magic mushrooms that use a fairing bolt.
Funny how those "pinch bolts" appear to be the same ENGINE MOUNT BOLTS that regular sliders attach to.
The right side which does go to a pinch bolt also mounts behind the engine mount. The thickness of the stainless in that area is over a ½" thick.
As far as the height. Go down to the 4th and 5th pictures and take notice of the engine mount bolts. That's where a standard slider mounts. The height difference is so small a standard slider would probably intersect these by about 50%.
I don't believe I've seen any Busa's with the sliders mounted anywhere else unless you count those magic mushrooms that use a fairing bolt.
busa_boy_69
Registered
Well not that yours look bad but I like the look of them coming through the fairing so I am glad I cut mine.
suzuki4life
Banned
Nope afraid not, I compared them side by side shots of a busa with regular sliders and I was almost convinced till I saw the head on shot. THEY ARE TOO LOW. And yes regular sliders normally ARE on the low side also.
Ok think REALLY hard about this one. You have 2 pieces of 1/4" stainless sandwiching your engine and counter levering againist your frame PLUS they are braced againist one another. Your frame is aluminuim. IF they worked how they are supposed to, the slider takes the hit, the pinch bolt becomes the folcrum of the lever and the engine mount bolt now recieves double the subjected force on BOTH sides of the frame. BAD idea. It has to either damage your engine or your frame at very key places. BAD idea.
You really should look at and study things before bad mouthing them. In your first post you claimed "tiny little pinch bolts as the main stress carrier?" Sorry but you didn't even realize those "tiny pinch bolts" were motor mount bolts.
There is only ONE pinch bolt and that was replaced with a longer one due to the need for the bracket to wrap around the frame.
Are you not understanding that the right bracket mounts to the engine mount? And that it's torqued down with a high tensile strength engine mount bolt? If you highside hard enough to snap that mount bolt, the bikes a gonner any way.
As far as your claim on height difference:
bdm.com
bdm.com
The beginning of the tape measure is the aprox. height of the motor mount location.
There is only ONE pinch bolt and that was replaced with a longer one due to the need for the bracket to wrap around the frame.
Are you not understanding that the right bracket mounts to the engine mount? And that it's torqued down with a high tensile strength engine mount bolt? If you highside hard enough to snap that mount bolt, the bikes a gonner any way.
As far as your claim on height difference:
bdm.com
bdm.com
The beginning of the tape measure is the aprox. height of the motor mount location.
In case you are wondering about the strength of a 1/4" stainless steel bolt Here is your answer:
Proof Stress is that which the fastener must withstand without a permanent set. A 1/4" SS bolt is rated at 100,000 psi
Tensile Strength is the minimum load what will cause the fastener to fail. A 1/4" SS bolt is rated at 100,000 to 125,000 psi
The female threads are rated at 100,000 psi as well.
This is a long scientifically backed way of saying that I am not worried
If you are still convinced that the sliders and cross bracing are sub-standard then I highly suggest you not purchase a set.
As far as price breakdown I do not have one yet. I have yet to settle up with him but will probably do so within the next few days. When I find out I'll let you guys know. It's really nice to have a supplier that you can trust and Vise-versa
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Proof Stress is that which the fastener must withstand without a permanent set. A 1/4" SS bolt is rated at 100,000 psi
Tensile Strength is the minimum load what will cause the fastener to fail. A 1/4" SS bolt is rated at 100,000 to 125,000 psi
The female threads are rated at 100,000 psi as well.
This is a long scientifically backed way of saying that I am not worried
If you are still convinced that the sliders and cross bracing are sub-standard then I highly suggest you not purchase a set.
As far as price breakdown I do not have one yet. I have yet to settle up with him but will probably do so within the next few days. When I find out I'll let you guys know. It's really nice to have a supplier that you can trust and Vise-versa
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jusmoov
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You don't drill through your frame. You drill the fairing.Just what I was looking for...no drilling into the frameWe'll be waiting on the info...
the UK's version of a dollar. nothing to do with weight.
last exchange rate I knew about was 1.4 to 1 to convert to Euros. in other words 25 Euros is $35 USD and yes the ends are replaceable.
suzuki4life
Banned
Ok so its about 2" from center bolt to center bolt. You don't think 2" matters? Ask your girlfriend/wife, they'll know the answer.
You're accepting a slider than is currently 2" LOWER than the norm for sliders that have NEVER proved to work 100%. The closer the slider is the the tire, the shorter the slider needs to be. The shorter the slider, the less it can "burn" or slide before it allows damage to exactly what it is intended to protect. (BTW that's your engine cases not your fairings a little FYI)
I am sure you've seen many more Busas than i have. only worked on maybe 60-70 BUSAS only in the last 3 years. Most were wrecks. I know how stuff wrecks, what the results are and what works. This won't work. It might work in a parking lot or in your driveway but a trip sliding down the highway, they'll fail, too many strikes againist them.
suzuki4life
Banned
Now you're now just grasping at straws. I orginally told you the sliders would probably overlap by 50%. You insisted that was wrong, I got you a picture of a standard slider and took the time to go out and take a picture of this setup and proved you wrong. They would indeed overlap by 50% and considering the average slider is 2" wide there is a whole whopping 1" difference in contact area height. That incredibly huge difference you mentioned earlier has come down to 1" but hey, I'm sure that's enough to cause to some cataclysmal failure too eh?
As far as the "bracket should" be and "notice void" statements...get it through your head, the bracket DOES continue and mount back there.
Look at the first pictures on the web page and try to comprehend, I didn't cut anything off and the 5/16" plate didn't just disappear at mounting time.
About the only thing you've said so far that might have made sense is the leverage deal IF the pinch bolt was the only thing holding that right bracket in place...it isn't and it's not the main stress carrier.
And why did you write "watch this line" for something that is nowhere near the bracket and has nothing to do with anything? More added drama?
As far as the "bracket should" be and "notice void" statements...get it through your head, the bracket DOES continue and mount back there.
Look at the first pictures on the web page and try to comprehend, I didn't cut anything off and the 5/16" plate didn't just disappear at mounting time.
About the only thing you've said so far that might have made sense is the leverage deal IF the pinch bolt was the only thing holding that right bracket in place...it isn't and it's not the main stress carrier.
And why did you write "watch this line" for something that is nowhere near the bracket and has nothing to do with anything? More added drama?
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