New Sliders Installed!!!
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suzuki4life
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Slider surface overlaping means NOTHING, Take Notice I said center of bolt to center of bolt. THAT IS WHAT TAKES THE IMPACT. THAT POSITION IS THE CONSTANT. You could in theory make slider 3' wide, it doesn't make them take an impact better if they are mounted the same in a high speed slide. But you're an engineer so you already know that. Also as said if its positioned further towards the bottom of the bike it must be shorter to allow the bike to lay clsoer to parrallel to the ground to avoid a barrel roll. yep and inch to far down with a slider too high is all it takes to cause a barrel roll. Yep yep.Now you're now just grasping at straws. I orginally told you the sliders would probably overlap by 50%. You insisted that was wrong, I got you a picture of a standard slider and took the time to go out and take a picture of this setup and proved you wrong. They would indeed overlap by 50% and considering the average slider is 2" wide there is a whole whopping 1" difference in contact area height. That incredibly huge difference you mentioned earlier has come down to 1" but hey, I'm sure that's enough to cause to some cataclysmal failure too eh?
As far as the "bracket should" be and "notice void" statements...get it through your head, the bracket DOES continue and mount back there.
Look at the first pictures on the web page and try to comprehend, I didn't cut anything off and the 5/16" plate didn't just disappear at mounting time.
About the only thing you've said so far that might have made sense is the leverage deal IF the pinch bolt was the only thing holding that right bracket in place...it isn't and it's not the main stress carrier.
And why did you write "watch this line" for something that is nowhere near the bracket and has nothing to do with anything? More added drama?
Strange if you follow the line, I see it where the bracket should be if the bracket is straight on top as shown (labeled "notice the void") on the webpage or if its supposed ot be straight on bottom too I outlined where it should stick out. Optical illusion perhaps?
you probably just started riding yesterday and never saw a crash nor have you ever been to a track and see what real sliders are used for and how they should work.
Since the "bracket" is mounted on the inside of the frame on Impact the slider will try to move in, the pinch bolt will try to hold constant so the bracket has to bend, or the lever effect will have to make something between the motor or frame take the shock.
You both need therapy . If I go down at any real speed, insurance will take care of it . I want something to help if it falls over in a parking lot or something . But i'm not willing to pay no 200$ for them . You can get panels on ebay everyday of the week for a 100$ and useually in the color of your own bike.
The latest exchange rate is $1.87 = 1 British Pound. If the distributor is in the UK, that's the exchange rate you're dealing with since England isn't using the Euro.
Slider surface overlaping means NOTHING, Take Notice I said center of bolt to center of bolt.[/QUOTE]
The center isn't the first part of the slider to touch the ground. The bottom of the synthetic material is and it's as simple as a whole 1" difference. As far as the "slider taking the impact" (as if the slider itself is going to bend or break because the center is 2" lower) this is just something new you've decided to toss in since you're backed into a corner over your "way too low" statements earlier. Why can't you just admit you're wrong, especially when someone takes time to prove it to you with pictures?
yep and inch to far down with a slider too high is all it takes to cause a barrel roll. Yep yep.[/QUOTE]
How low is too low and how short does a slider need to be? Cite a source or give me some formulas for the Busa's dimensions and weight. You act as though there was all sorts of thought as to where standard sliders mount instead of the simple fact they just attach to the only convenient motor mount.
Strange if you follow the line, I see it where the bracket should be if the bracket is straight on top as shown (labeled "notice the void") on the webpage or if its supposed ot be straight on bottom too I outlined where it should stick out. Optical illusion perhaps?[/QUOTE]
Once again for the last time...THE BRACKET MOUNTS TO THE ENGINE MOUNT LOCATION, the kit even included a new spacer and a NEW ENGINE MOUNT BOLT. Do you seriously think I'm lying about this? If you can't figure it out I'm sorry. Maybe Moose took more pictures than I did since I'm not about to go out and take my bike apart to prove that point to you.
you probably just started riding yesterday and never saw a crash nor have you ever been to a track and see what real sliders are used for and how they should work.[/QUOTE]
Ah, I've waiting for the insults to start. Just to fill you in I've been riding about 20 years.
Since the "bracket" is mounted on the inside of the frame on Impact the slider will try to move in, the pinch bolt will try to hold constant so the bracket has to bend, or the lever effect will have to make something between the motor or frame take the shock[/QUOTE]
Got news for ya, the motor and frame are going to take a shock with a standard slider. Your whole fulcrum/lever theory idea does not play out since the frame, bracket, spacer and motor are all secured together (whether you choose to believe it or not) with the large engine mount bolt torqued down to manufacturer specs. Care to guess what kind of force it's going to take to rip apart that bolt? Also quit bringing up the pinch bolt which is nothing but a SECONDARY mounting point.
As Moose mentioned, if you don't like or trust the kit then don't buy it.
I'm sure you'll try and bring up some more nonsense nitpicks like the slider material isn't thick enough or who knows what but I'm done arguing with you.
Those reading these messages can decide if they want to trust the reputation of Benelux and take the word of Busa owners who actually bought and installed this kit on their bikes (and are damn impressed with it) or the word of someone who claims it's all held by "tiny pinch bolts", too low, not held by a mount bolt on the right side and whatever other wild claims you've made.
The center isn't the first part of the slider to touch the ground. The bottom of the synthetic material is and it's as simple as a whole 1" difference. As far as the "slider taking the impact" (as if the slider itself is going to bend or break because the center is 2" lower) this is just something new you've decided to toss in since you're backed into a corner over your "way too low" statements earlier. Why can't you just admit you're wrong, especially when someone takes time to prove it to you with pictures?
yep and inch to far down with a slider too high is all it takes to cause a barrel roll. Yep yep.[/QUOTE]
How low is too low and how short does a slider need to be? Cite a source or give me some formulas for the Busa's dimensions and weight. You act as though there was all sorts of thought as to where standard sliders mount instead of the simple fact they just attach to the only convenient motor mount.
Strange if you follow the line, I see it where the bracket should be if the bracket is straight on top as shown (labeled "notice the void") on the webpage or if its supposed ot be straight on bottom too I outlined where it should stick out. Optical illusion perhaps?[/QUOTE]
Once again for the last time...THE BRACKET MOUNTS TO THE ENGINE MOUNT LOCATION, the kit even included a new spacer and a NEW ENGINE MOUNT BOLT. Do you seriously think I'm lying about this? If you can't figure it out I'm sorry. Maybe Moose took more pictures than I did since I'm not about to go out and take my bike apart to prove that point to you.
you probably just started riding yesterday and never saw a crash nor have you ever been to a track and see what real sliders are used for and how they should work.[/QUOTE]
Ah, I've waiting for the insults to start. Just to fill you in I've been riding about 20 years.
Since the "bracket" is mounted on the inside of the frame on Impact the slider will try to move in, the pinch bolt will try to hold constant so the bracket has to bend, or the lever effect will have to make something between the motor or frame take the shock[/QUOTE]
Got news for ya, the motor and frame are going to take a shock with a standard slider. Your whole fulcrum/lever theory idea does not play out since the frame, bracket, spacer and motor are all secured together (whether you choose to believe it or not) with the large engine mount bolt torqued down to manufacturer specs. Care to guess what kind of force it's going to take to rip apart that bolt? Also quit bringing up the pinch bolt which is nothing but a SECONDARY mounting point.
As Moose mentioned, if you don't like or trust the kit then don't buy it.
I'm sure you'll try and bring up some more nonsense nitpicks like the slider material isn't thick enough or who knows what but I'm done arguing with you.
Those reading these messages can decide if they want to trust the reputation of Benelux and take the word of Busa owners who actually bought and installed this kit on their bikes (and are damn impressed with it) or the word of someone who claims it's all held by "tiny pinch bolts", too low, not held by a mount bolt on the right side and whatever other wild claims you've made.
For those asking about the conversion rates.
Team Jays list the kit at £94.98 on their web site.
Just google for a "currency converter" and pick one (or use the one on Team Jays site in the upper left hand corner).
It now converts over to $182.27. Not bad, but the overseas shipping to the US is insane. They charged me something like $60 bucks which I thought was mostly some BS add on "handling" fee until the package arrived. Turns out that's really what it cost and they didn't add any handling charges to the price.
Also note that some sites list the price including the VAT charge, if you're having it shipped to the US you don't have to pay the VAT.
Moose,
Ask your friend if he can get these Benelux inserts for those sliders.
bdm.com
I'd like to get the "S" symbol.
Also let me know what he'd charge for those rear sliders. From what I remember it was cheaper to let a stock can take the hit and then just buy a new one off ebay for $20 bucks
Great insurance for your aftermarket though.
Team Jays list the kit at £94.98 on their web site.
Just google for a "currency converter" and pick one (or use the one on Team Jays site in the upper left hand corner).
It now converts over to $182.27. Not bad, but the overseas shipping to the US is insane. They charged me something like $60 bucks which I thought was mostly some BS add on "handling" fee until the package arrived. Turns out that's really what it cost and they didn't add any handling charges to the price.
Also note that some sites list the price including the VAT charge, if you're having it shipped to the US you don't have to pay the VAT.
Moose,
Ask your friend if he can get these Benelux inserts for those sliders.
bdm.com
I'd like to get the "S" symbol.
Also let me know what he'd charge for those rear sliders. From what I remember it was cheaper to let a stock can take the hit and then just buy a new one off ebay for $20 bucks
I'll be inquiring about 6 of those inserts! Wish I had known about those B4. He is getting them direct from Benelux in Belgium so he should be able to get us a decent price. You are correct about the shipping. I do know it cost $50 freight and it took 5 days. I am really trying to nail him down on a price. Then i'm gonna try to get that price down a little more for all hayabusa board members. The second I know the numbers I'm gonna post them. So the exchange rate won't be for the UK currency but the Euro.
POR15 dist
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I'd like a set of them also.
I wouldn't mind a set, however I never have been regretful of drilling into my fairings. I mean it's like when you modify the body of an old classic car, you know like frenched headlights, a chopped roof, or frenched in antennas.
My frame sliders never have seemed to have taken away any looks, in some aspects it adds looks. It shows that I ride my bike like it should be ridden I think. I can tell you one thing, a clean hole in your fairing looks hell of a lot better than a road rashed fairing.
$233 for these, hell that's almost half of buying some fairings. Save yourselves some money, buy a good set here in America, drill a nice clean hole, and trust that they will work when that bike goes down.
My frame sliders never have seemed to have taken away any looks, in some aspects it adds looks. It shows that I ride my bike like it should be ridden I think. I can tell you one thing, a clean hole in your fairing looks hell of a lot better than a road rashed fairing.
$233 for these, hell that's almost half of buying some fairings. Save yourselves some money, buy a good set here in America, drill a nice clean hole, and trust that they will work when that bike goes down.
hehe, last set I bought was like $34 what the hell kind did you buy?
I never even put them on the bike though.. maybe intersted in this deal.
fireblade1
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I can only see one flaw in this design. Too many separate pieces welded together. This has the potential to snap off and puncture the radiator if it falls to either side. In some cases, it may be worth hacking up a set of fairings to install sliders on the hard frame mount instead of adding a flexible/breakable piece just to relocate them.
I definately like the placement, it just needs some refining to keep it in one piece and where it needs to be when the bike goes down and has to rely on the product to function properly.
I definately like the placement, it just needs some refining to keep it in one piece and where it needs to be when the bike goes down and has to rely on the product to function properly.
Are you guys interested in them if the price is around $170 shipped?
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