Opinions on Ferguson MO

skydivr said:
Lycan: you need to go back and rethink and edit/remove your bigot comment as that is clearly in violation of the .org rules...
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You are correct. What I meant and should have said is he is starting to look like a bigot. I dont know any of you personally so I had no right to say that.
 
The White/Blue 2009 Busa is the fastest one ever made.
And I like peanut butter and jelly sammiches, but only with grape.....
 
I have to admit, that IS pretty dang sweet....but considerably OT (which may be a good thing).
 
Lycan6 said:
It actually was against the law that's why I'm talking about it. The same could be said about every other non bike related topic but your solution to this is to stop complaining about it on the forum? Good answer.
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Tennessee v. Garner I don't know many if any facts about this case, just wanted to mention that under this supreme court ruling your statement might be wrong.
 
fallenarch said:
I read and reread the evidence and there are some interesting issues (this is based mostly on the Washington Post analysis of the evidence and GJ testimony:


  1. Wilson says MB reached into the car trying to get his gun and a struggle over the gun ensued. But there is no blood or DNA of MB's inside the car. MB's blood was on the door, but on the outside of it. It is much more likely that Wilson drew his gun on MB and MB grabbed it because he thought Wilson was going to shoot him. This in and of itself is a technicality, as it was reasonable for Wilson to pull his gun to maintain control of this situation.
  2. MB’s body had traces of THC. If the world was high on Mary-Jane it would be a very peaceful place full of happy people with the munchies.
  3. The store owner did not report the shop lifting by MB, another customer did. They reported a “strong-arm robberyâ€. In fact MB had taken a $15 pack of cigarillos to smoke some weed without a weapon or physically assaulting anyone. So the police were operating under an inflated assumption of how dangerous MB was. I believe this is critical because the Police think they are after a dangerous suspect and MB is wondering why the Cops were hassling him.
  4. When the gun went off, MB and friend start running. Wilson gets out of the car and fires on MB, apparently missing him several times. One shot struck MB from behind in the arm. The examiner states that because of the way the arm moves it could be hit in the back while the suspect is coming toward the officer. The more likely scenario is MB was running away from the officer when he was hit in the arm.
  5. Now things get a bit confused and the evidence does not prove either scenario. Wilson says he ran after MB and only fired the 6 shots when MB turned and charged him. The examiner says the evidence supports Wilson’s story because the spent shells lay on the ground spaced as Wilson retreated. But this evidence also supports the scenario where Wilson gets out of the car and fires several shots, one hitting MB in the back of the arm. Then Wilson runs after MB still firing. MB then turns and gestures surrender but Wilson continues to move forward firing at MB and killing him.
  6. The examiner simply says that the physical evidence is consistent with Wilson’s story – not that it proves it to be true. MB’s body lay on the ground for hours while the scene was investigated, plenty of time to coordinate a story. This might seem far- fetched but clearly Wilson is thoroughly coached in his interview on TV and was probably well coached for the GJ. But the evidence does not prove conclusively that Wilson’s story is true – which is why there should have been a trial. However even with the trial, I don’t see Wilson being convicted because that same evidence is not conclusive.
  7. The first thing I asked is what Wilson’s record was; had he had a confrontation with MB previously? How did this situation escalate so quickly? But Wilson had a clean record and had never fired his weapon before. So I believe he felt he had reason and was not a redneck out to show those n-words a thing or two. Seems he was a decent cop who had a very bad day.

When I look at all of this, it looks like an unfortunate misunderstanding. Wilson thought he was chasing a dangerous suspect who had just committed an armed robbery. MB thought the cops were hassling him and had the typical minority mindset that cops are bad people. Those things made both Wilson and MB over-react on that street in Ferguson. The question we can never answer is whether those last 6 shots that killed MB were fired because Wilson was pissed (murder) or in fear for his life (doing his job). So we can't answer this mystery and how you feel about it probably rests on your prejudices whether you are white or black. But this does not mean that there is not a disparity in the justice system against brown and poor people - this is fact.

Here are some good references, read the comments also:
“In three minutes, two lives collide and a nation divides over Ferguson shootingâ€: In three minutes, two lives collide and a nation divides over Ferguson shooting - The Washington Post

“The physical evidence in the Michael Brown case supported the officer [updated with DNA evidenceâ€:
The physical evidence in the Michael Brown case supported the officer [updated with DNA evidence] - The Washington Post
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That's not what I remember hearing but it's been so long ago. The papers have never gotten anything wrong, kinda like me. Just saying you might want to fact check that.
 
For a new perspective. A white dude in Pennsylvania killed 6 family members and is on the loose. I hope we kill him on sight. Save hearing all the reasons at trial that he may have had, or better yet not waste the money to put him away. I could care less the color of his skin.
 
Let's just say for the sake of it that it was legal for him to fire at him while he was retreating. The fact that he was fearful of his life should have gone away too, correct? Then how can you justify killing him as the only option available at that time. Many of you have said that a bullet does not stop a 300 lb man. How about a taser? doesnt that go straight to the nervous system? My only pont in this from the beginning is that based on undisputable eveidence the officer had time to use something other than deadly force. That undisputable evidence? The location of his body in proximaty to office Wilson's vehicle. More than 100 feet away. I'm not a LEO. I've never been in a situation like that. However, LEOs are trained in how to deal with situations like this and it seems that the training is one dimensional. That is if you fire the weapon, dont stop shooting until they stop moving. I even saw a tshirt somehwere that said if they're still breathing, then you keep squeezing. I think that is where the flaw is. There should be some consideration of the life of the felon, thug, animal, savage, whatever you want to call it. Its still a human life and its someones father, son, brother, etc. Just as much as the officer has the right to come home at the end of his shift, so does the criminal deserve their day in court, becasue in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. I will go on to say that if all of the shots fired where right at the vehicle, i would probably feel that offier Wilson was right in defending himself. But even his testimony suggests he had time to make decisions that would not have resulted in the death of MB.

Now here's a story that i bet no one has heard about becasue it happended a few days after the MB situation. A white unarmed male that was wanted on felony charges was shot and killed by a non-white officer. The officer thought he was reaching into his waiste for a gun. Did he see a gun? no. but his justification was he thought he was because his hands went to his waist. This officer too, was wrong. LEOs have to stop reacting to the slightest movements that people make. Apparently he was pulling up his sagging pants so he could get down on the ground. this happended in Utah. I believeand the victims last name is Taylor. So i'm not just raving about a black man being shot by a white officer, which does happen quite often, but any situation where someone is shot by LEOs becasue they thought they had a weapon beacuse that seems to be the scapegoat everytme.

Whenever i get pulled over I have to run through a checklist to make sure i dont do anything suspicious. That's sad to be fearful of law enforecement. I have no record. Im not a threat. i have no CCW, dont need it, but yet i worry whats going to happen to me anytime i get pulled over. That's real life for me and for most men of color everyday. And please take special note that i did not single out white from black or brown, but LEO in general.

This is what i worry about.
South Carolina trooper shot unarmed man, police say - CNN.com
 
TallTom said:
For a new perspective. A white dude in Pennsylvania killed 6 family members and is on the loose. I hope we kill him on sight. Save hearing all the reasons at trial that he may have had, or better yet not waste the money to put him away. I could care less the color of his skin.
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that is not what our justice system is suppose to stand for. This too is just wrong. Becasue the next step is well I dont care if he's innocent or not,he look guilty. or I dont care if he did it this time, he'sdone it before so lets just him anyway. just not right. If thi is your thought process thn let's just say goobye to any system of order.
 
Lycan6 said:
that is not what our justice system is suppose to stand for. This too is just wrong. Becasue the next step is well I dont care if he's innocent or not,he look guilty. or I dont care if he did it this time, he'sdone it before so lets just him anyway. just not right. If thi is your thought process thn let's just say goobye to any system of order.
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If we already know he killed 6 people, the rest of the process is nothing more than an examination of why he did it. And if he is insane, which personally I think anyone that kills 6 of his family members is, then do you want to spend money trying to rehabilitate him or house him for life?

I don't. And I am not saying the cops should gun him down in cold blood. They didn't kill the cop killer in Pa a month or so back, but I wouldn't have been bothered if they had.

If ever there was a reason for someone to show up dead, I wouldn't ask a bunch of questions as to how he got there when I found out he had.
 
How is this any different from any trial? Witnesses are always all over the place. The GJ took Wilson's story as the baseline and checked off the witnesses and evidence against that rather than look at the other possible scenarios (which is what a prosecutor is suposed to do). Who know maybe it happened just like Wilson says it did, but no way a GJ doesn't indite in this case.

DA should have just said no charges based on the evidence, or it should have gone to trial. Even if it goes to trial Wilson was going to get off (clearly there is reasonable doubt). So there was basically going to be a riot, just an issue of when it was going to happen.
 
fallenarch said:
How is this any different from any trial? Witnesses are always all over the place. The GJ took Wilson's story as the baseline and checked off the witnesses and evidence against that rather than look at the other possible scenarios (which is what a prosecutor is suposed to do). Who know maybe it happened just like Wilson says it did, but no way a GJ doesn't indite in this case.

DA should have just said no charges based on the evidence, or it should have gone to trial. Even if it goes to trial Wilson was going to get off (clearly there is reasonable doubt). So there was basically going to be a riot, just an issue of when it was going to happen.
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If you listen to all the witnesses who have experience in telling the truth. And if you use your own judgement. And if you look at what LEO's do, how they react. And if you look at our legal system, including the courts. What do you think the future of the Hayabusa looks like? :laugh:
 
TallTom said:
If we already know he killed 6 people, the rest of the process is nothing more than an examination of why he did it. And if he is insane, which personally I think anyone that kills 6 of his family members is, then do you want to spend money trying to rehabilitate him or house him for life?

I don't. And I am not saying the cops should gun him down in cold blood. They didn't kill the cop killer in Pa a month or so back, but I wouldn't have been bothered if they had.

If ever there was a reason for someone to show up dead, I wouldn't ask a bunch of questions as to how he got there when I found out he had.
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I think that attitude is part of the problem. First we make the victim evil, then we suspend their rights because we don't like them or they are obviously guilty. If a person can't control themselves (insane) they can't commit murder because there is no intent. We can't find that out if they are executed at the arrest.

Either we have a system of laws or we don't. Following the law sometimes stinks, but you have to respect the system or it means nothing. I hear a lot of people who go around waving the constitution like a bible until they don't like someone and then they want to just throw it away and get their revenge.

Now you are going to say I'm no the side of a guy who killed 6 people and that is not correct. I believe in our system and I'm not going to let a maggot like this dude corrupt it.
 
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