Opinions on Ferguson MO

So Arch are you saying that a police officer doesn't have the right to defend himself? That is exactly how your comment comes across. Do you think that the officer went out just decided after coffee he was going to kill a black kid? I believe he was called to the area on a strong arm robbery.... So, is it really being a the judge jury and executioner if you are defending yourself? the evidence says he wasn't.

All of your comments are the same to me, what the cop did... How about some accountability on the kid, do you think he was in the store? Are you refuting the physical evidence and eye witness testimony?

Actually Officer Wilson was on call only a quarter mile away assisting with a sick child with trouble breathing.
Then after leaving that scene he drove upon the two yewts. As he was approaching them the call went out a robbery had just been committed.
And we know the rest.

Police records show what Darren Wilson was doing shortly before Brown shooting | KMOV.com St. Louis
 
Exactly Cap.... Stories about Black Cop shooting white kid, justified or not - no news Stories about Black Cop shoot black kid, justified or not - no news Stories about White Cop shooting white kid, justified or not - no news Stories about Black kids shooting other black kids - no news (and THIS is the REAL tragedy)... Stories about White Cop shooting black kid - justified or not - "burn the boich down!".
The fact that this doesn't happen is not the fault of the black community. We don't control the media outlets. And I'm sure if this were a black cop and a white unarmed teenager the officer would have been suspended immediately.
 
The fact that this doesn't happen is not the fault of the black community. We don't control the media outlets. And I'm sure if this were a black cop and a white unarmed teenager the officer would have been suspended immediately.

Chances are he would have been placed on administrative leave pending investigation, as is the policy with virtually every PD in the land.
 
Sooooo much wrong in all three of these....

LEO or not if someone I running away from a situation and is not armed there is no reason to shoot them. I can't even shoot at an intruder in my house if they are running away out the door. The people in Ferguson are pissed off at the seemingly at least if it had gone to trial miscarriage of justice. Not that the officer **** and killed an unarmed teenager that was according to his testimony 8-10 feet away from him when he fire the last shot, but more so at the system that allowed a biased prosecutor to present the case before the grand jury and the piss poor job that he did. So I will agree with those that say the grand jury made its decision based in the case that was presented to them. The problem is the case was poorly presented. So from a black point of view you have a white officer, a white prosecutor, a black victim and a black firsthand witness. When all the smoke clears everything the the black witness said fell upon deaf ears. It's sad that every time a person of color is killed the first thing you hear about is the criminal past or behavior when they usually have nothing to do with the reason they were killed. What he did in the store had nothing to do with him being shot. It's almost as if you are saying that it's okay to kill a black man if he has a criminal background. Now I don't condone what they are doing in a ferguson with the looting. But I also don't feel they are animals and savages as they have been called repeatedly. Blacks are just tired of the seemingly unending pattern of killing by those that are suppose to protect us and not being held accountable to it.

He WASN'T shot running away. REPEAT. He wasn't shot running away. THREE count them THREE separate autopsies proved that. And one of them was done by the man hired by the family. He found nothing. NO shots in the back, NONE.
Why do you and others keep repeating 'unarmed'? Is it your opinion no cop or innocent person has ever been killed by an unarmed person? I know silly right. People kill people every day with their bare hands. So let's stop saying unarmed ok?
What he had just done only minutes before absolutely does have everything to to do with it because it sets the mindset of mike brown. You cannot possibly think he wasn't still amped up from just throttling the owner of the store can you? Confrontational he was for sure. When he saw a cop car coming up to him and having just robbed a store do you think he was just gonna say hi to the officer or instantly amped and became once again confrontational as he most likely thought the cop was coming to arrest him for the robbery?
Held accountable is hilarious. How about we start holding the people committing crimes accountable first? Yeah that may work.

From your own post, why was he told to stop if he wasn't running? Why was he told to turnaround if he was running away? Common sense suggests he was running away. If he wasn't running away he would have been sit beside the car correct?

He was running away from the cop because his first plan which was to attack the cop while he was still sitting in his car didn't go so well. He was running away because he had just tried to take the officers gun and got shot once in the thumb while doing it. Again going back to the three separate autopsies all found gunshot residue inside the thumb wound which proves beyond any doubt he had his hand on the gun when it went off. But you're free to keep ignoring the facts and evidence in pursuit of your own convictions.

We can all read what was present d but my point again is how was it presented and what evidence was not presented.

Over sixty witnesses testified. Almost all of them were black. Many said they saw him get shot in the back while running away. But yet again the facts prove otherwise. But many testified they saw exactly what Officer Wilson said happened, there was a confrontation, a short struggle, he ran away, cop exited vehicle and gave his attacker a lawful order to STOP, MB did so and turned around, cop ordered him on the ground, he chose instead to charge the cop, ordered again to comply he didn't, shots were fired and struck him, MB called out 'stop shooting I don't have a gun!' but instead of stopping and getting prone on ground he continued his charge at which time the final volley of rounds was fired. Shot to the top of the head came as MB was charging/collapsing before cop. All physical evidence explains what happened. Put all color all inclinations and all prejudices aside and do a methodical analysis of the physical evidence and there is only one conclusion that can be made. And that is cop acted correctly. The evidence ALL of it was given to the GJ. Not s single piece was kept from them, nothing. They reviewed everything and interviewed everyone. Full and unbridled access the GJ had. So I really am confused by your comment 'how the evidence was presented and what was not' ? Specifically what evidence is you know of that was not given to them? Please tell us....

Lastly regarding distances I'd like you all to watch this short two minute video. It shows how quickly a suspect can cover set distances and knife a cop. 21 feet used to be the measure of safety but now it's 31.

http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=2d8_1367104934

So to me the distance is moot. MB could have covered 8-10 feet in an instant and killed cop. He could have also COMPLIED and gotten on the ground. But he CHOSE not to.
 
Sooooo much wrong in all three of these.... He WASN'T shot running away. REPEAT. He wasn't shot running away. THREE count them THREE separate autopsies proved that. And one of them was done by the man hired by the family. He found nothing. NO shots in the back, NONE. Why do you and others keep repeating 'unarmed'? Is it your opinion no cop or innocent person has ever been killed by an unarmed person? I know silly right. People kill people every day with their bare hands. So let's stop saying unarmed ok? What he had just done only minutes before absolutely does have everything to to do with it because it sets the mindset of mike brown. You cannot possibly think he wasn't still amped up from just throttling the owner of the store can you? Confrontational he was for sure. When he saw a cop car coming up to him and having just robbed a store do you think he was just gonna say hi to the officer or instantly amped and became once again confrontational as he most likely thought the cop was coming to arrest him for the robbery? Held accountable is hilarious. How about we start holding the people committing crimes accountable first? Yeah that may work. He was running away from the cop because his first plan which was to attack the cop while he was still sitting in his car didn't go so well. He was running away because he had just tried to take the officers gun and got shot once in the thumb while doing it. Again going back to the three separate autopsies all found gunshot residue inside the thumb wound which proves beyond any doubt he had his hand on the gun when it went off. But you're free to keep ignoring the facts and evidence in pursuit of your own convictions. Over sixty witnesses testified. Almost all of them were black. Many said they saw him get shot in the back while running away. But yet again the facts prove otherwise. But many testified they saw exactly what Officer Wilson said happened, there was a confrontation, a short struggle, he ran away, cop exited vehicle and gave his attacker a lawful order to STOP, MB did so and turned around, cop ordered him on the ground, he chose instead to charge the cop, ordered again to comply he didn't, shots were fired and struck him, MB called out 'stop shooting I don't have a gun!' but instead of stopping and getting prone on ground he continued his charge at which time the final volley of rounds was fired. Shot to the top of the head came as MB was charging/collapsing before cop. All physical evidence explains what happened. Put all color all inclinations and all prejudices aside and do a methodical analysis of the physical evidence and there is only one conclusion that can be made. And that is cop acted correctly. The evidence ALL of it was given to the GJ. Not s single piece was kept from them, nothing. They reviewed everything and interviewed everyone. Full and unbridled access the GJ had. So I really am confused by your comment 'how the evidence was presented and what was not' ? Specifically what evidence is you know of that was not given to them? Please tell us.... Lastly regarding distances I'd like you all to watch this short two minute video. It shows how quickly a suspect can cover set distances and knife a cop. 21 feet used to be the measure of safety but now it's 31. http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=2d8_1367104934 So to me the distance is moot. MB could have covered 8-10 feet in an instant and killed cop. He could have also COMPLIED and gotten on the ground. But he CHOSE not to.
So MB has just robbed a store and is walking in the middle of the street and a cop shows up and instead of running away he reaches into the car if a police officer and tries to take his gun. Now he's shot at least once. Runs away and is shot at while running away according to statements. I didn't say he was shot in the back. At some point the officer is able to get him to turn around to face him and is **** at least three more times before delivering the last two shots in the head. Now I'm no genius but I think someone that has been shot four times and is big and heavy as MB was I don't think he would be moving that quickly. But that's my uneducated reasoning.
As far as being armed or unarmed, I'll just leave that one alone because it really doesn't
need or deserve a rebuttal.
 
OK my newest observation this morning which up until now I never knew. Ferguson has a white mayor. If this is about selecting your own people to lead, why did a predominantly black community elect a white mayor?
 
So MB has just robbed a store and is walking in the middle of the street and a cop shows up and instead of running away he reaches into the car if a police officer and tries to take his gun. Now he's shot at least once. Runs away and is shot at while running away according to statements. I didn't say he was shot in the back. At some point the officer is able to get him to turn around to face him and is **** at least three more times before delivering the last two shots in the head. Now I'm no genius but I think someone that has been shot four times and is big and heavy as MB was I don't think he would be moving that quickly. But that's my uneducated reasoning.
As far as being armed or unarmed, I'll just leave that one alone because it really doesn't
need or deserve a rebuttal.


You're right no need to rebut the unarmed comment because more people are killed with bare hands than I can post.
And no evidence nor testimony from any of the witnesses say he was shot at while running away. He halted when cop told him to, he turned around after being told to get on the ground, he advanced and charged the cop after being told again to get on the ground. First volley of shots hit him, cop stopped shooting and repeated his orders which Mike brown ignored and still advanced, second volley of shots was fired and MB died. It is clear you continue to ignore witness testimony to promote your own delusion of which you have convinced yourself of.
Also it's obvious you have never seen anyone get shot and most likely are basing your comments on movies you've seen.
One two three or four bullets don't always stop people. Some folks pass out at the sight of a paper cut on their finger. While others such as MB was shot and still advanced. Until a round impacts a vital organ or a part of the CNS people can continue to do what they what. Bullets don't knock people down or backward either. Unless a fatal shot such as one to the head is sent men can still kill. There are countless instances where people were shot multiple times and still needed several officers to subdue them. I personally know a cop who witnessed a man take a .44 magnum round to the head and run over a half mile. Police are taught to shoot until the threat stops. They are taught to shoot center of mass not wounding leg shots to see if it stops them. Shoot shoot and shoot again until the threat is over either from compliance or death.

Like I said take the color out of it and look at factual physical evidence along with witness testimony and a logical mind will determine the right thing happened.

Why even have a grand jury if the people crying out for it aren't going to accept its decision? Seems like it was a tremendous amount of wasted money trying to satisfy idiots?
 
The fact that this doesn't happen is not the fault of the black community. We don't control the media outlets. And I'm sure if this were a black cop and a white unarmed teenager the officer would have been suspended immediately.

You are correct, the Press has a huge amount of fault here, by inflaming the story in order to sell more papers, and helping incite the rioting. The local NAACP has fault for same. The Jesse/Al circus too. Black Panthers looking for any excuse. Many in the black community are being used for other people's agendas....

Yet, elements of the Black Community ARE AT FAULT. Until the Black Community realizes they THEY can help their own community by channelling this energy into positive outcomes, they will continue to suffer the results of victimization. People want to blame "whitey" for stuff "whitey" can't fix....only they can. I see some black people doing just that - Whether I agree with his rhetoric or politics, I believe Arch has changed his family tree by getting an education and working to ensure his family get's away from the poverty and associated ills.

Officer Wilson, and any other officer involved in a shooting anywhere in the country, is usually placed on administrative leave with pay until the shooting has been looked at. Standard proceedure.
 
Why is Al Sharpton not marching against youth crime?
Why does he not preach goodness and to obey the law?
Why does he not use this case and the video of MB strong arm robbing as an example of WHAT NOT TO DO?
 
if anything this cop saved the tax payer lots of money in the long run

Unfortunately, I'd have to agree. But he was some mother's son (who didnt' want him and let his grandmother raise him, then had said grandmother beat up when she sold t-shirts). Frankly, this kid paid the price for his useless POS parents who FAILED MISERABLY in the child-rearing department. If you can't see the correlation between creating a caste of welfare mothers, and what it's effects are 20 years later, I can't really help you...the liberal social safety net is really slavery by any other name.
 
lots of other kids grow up from dysfuctional homes and know right from wrong.
Unfortunately, I'd have to agree. But he was some mother's son (who didnt' want him and let his grandmother raise him, then had said grandmother beat up when she sold t-shirts). Frankly, this kid paid the price for his useless POS parents who FAILED MISERABLY in the child-rearing department. If you can't see the correlation between creating a caste of welfare mothers, and what it's effects are 20 years later, I can't really help you...the liberal social safety net is really slavery by any other name.
 
I always laugh when people say that they should be channeling things into something "positive"..

ROFL! These people have nothing,live for nothing and obvious feel less than human. You nor I can change how helpless these people feel and people don't just feel that way for no reason. What would come of anything done that would be seen as "passive?" It would be ignored and no on would ever see it or care. These people wanted attention and they got it the only way they know how, and the TRUTH about it is its effective.

In THIS circumstance I believe the officer did what he had to do. He didn't have to kill the kid but it is what it is. But the people who think the riots are only about Mike Brown are ignorant. This was simply the flame that lit the fuse to a bomb that was building up over time.

One of thee times however they will HAVE to imprison one of thee cops vs letting them off to save face for the police force or govt. if anything to help protect the public from this BS happening again. Let one of these cops be a martyr and maybe THAT will be a message that can calm the rage. Bringing in the national guard wont help the situation. That would be about the dumbest thing to do and wont end well for anyone.

With Obama in office, if he makes the call to have the guards move out, it MIGHT work. Once our next president comes into office who will likely be white and republican even dares something of that magnitude. Wow. Yeah, not smart.
 
"Let one of these cops be a martyr"? Really? Cause I want the watch commander to read that at every shift meeting....

They have nothing to live for because that's what they've been LED TO BELIEVE. They are all afforded a FREE EDUCATION that gives them the OPPORTUNITY to lift themselves out of the shaithole they find themselves in. The Military is another route out. They are universities lined UP to give people less fortunate an opportunity to get out...NEVER in HISTORY have so many, government funded opportunities existed - YET, they STILL have to at least TRY...I don't buy that. The politics of victimhood as espoused by Jackson/Sharpton is what's keeping a lot of these people down..

What's not so smart is to pull a stunt like this in some other cities thinking they'll get the the same amout of forgiveness....cause like it or not, if the shooting actually STARTS, those rioters are on the LOSING SIDE....
 
What I don't understand is why the Blacks of America do not belive the evidence that was given , Do they really think with Obama looking so closely at this that it would all be lies that were told? , Why does the store tape of Mike Brown get blown off and made to look like it has nothing to do with the case? They say he was a teen , Not true 18, They say he had his hands up , whitness's say not true, They say he was going to collage , Not true Air condition tech school is not collage, the only truth in this whole matter is that if he went to school got a tech cert he would still not get a job when he was done , Truth he would fail a drug test
 
I think only 2 people know exactly what happened 1 is gone.
The ones I feel sorry 4 and think should get help r people lost there business.
They did nothing 2 deserve that.
Anyone know what kind of gun was used? I think most police carry 38 9mm or glock
just seems like 1 or 2 shots 4 shure going stop anybody with those.
 
Back
Top