President goes all in on Immigration

[GsxrBots]

Arch, my rates went down with Obamacare too..

And my benefits did too. I'm paying WAY more with this crap than I EVER was before. Wait until you have a fairly major surgery and you'll be HATING this new stuff.
I used to pay for a premium plan and it was about $3-$400 more per year than I was paying before. Now my copays are 50% higher than they used to be and they don't cover anything it seems.

I'm FULLY aware that the healthcare situation needed an overhaul. I'm just FULLY aware that our government shouldn't have been the one to do it. They can't even agree to disagree how are they going to control healthcare?

 

[kountrywill]

Hey guys the world is changing. Its not the 60's and 70's anymore. The world is changing whether you think its for the good or bad. From Reagan to Obama each has had executive orders on amnesty. Lets stop fearing that we are loosing the country and power and focus on making the country better. Talk of revolution and non sense is not gonna happen. Besides this country belonged to the native americans until it was illegally occupied. Founding fathers my ass.

 

[TallTom]

Probably did it to look better for the next democratic
guy that is going to run.

He did it to find a new stream for taxation. First part....pay a $500 fee. 5,000,000 people that never paid anything to taxes X $500= $250,000,000 right off the top. It won't be 100% of those 5,000,000 but you get the idea.

The second part is additional taxation on forward legal income.

Of course they will also now be forced to make minimum wages. Thus by the time taxes are paid they would probably make less than they presently do in cash. Just because he making them legal, doesn't mean they will want to be.

 

[jellyrug]

He did it to find a new stream for taxation. First part....pay a $500 fee. 5,000,000 people that never paid anything to taxes X $500= $250,000,000 right off the top. It won't be 100% of those 5,000,000 but you get the idea.

The second part is additional taxation on forward legal income.

Of course they will also now be forced to make minimum wages. Thus by the time taxes are paid they would probably make less than they presently do in cash. Just because he making them legal, doesn't mean they will want to be.

Just saying, but that would be $2,500,000,000 being 2.5 Billion instead of 250 million. Small pocket change in terms of current country economics; it may pay for part of the border patrol request though.

 

[TallTom]

Just saying, but that would be $2,500,000,000 being 2.5 Billion instead of 250 million. Small pocket change in terms of current country economics; it may pay for part of the border patrol request though.

Sorry missed a zero. I'd rather collect it from "them" than pay it ourselves. That is assuming that "they" will elect to become legal. If they don't, we won't do a damn thing about it.

 

[jellyrug]

Sorry missed a zero. I'd rather collect it from "them" than pay it ourselves. That is assuming that "they" will elect to become legal. If they don't, we won't do a damn thing about it.

I know this probably bad, but I don't have much sympathy with the illegals. I grew up in a country where if you raised the slightest suspicion, you could be asked for your ID. If you could not provide it, you were off to the police station and allowed a couple of phone calls and an attempt to properly identify you. If that still did not solve the problem, it would be back over the border to your home country, all in a matter of days.

After working for a US company based overseas and pumping millions of Dollars into the US through business for around 12 years, I did all the right things to first become first a Permanent Resident and later a US Citizen, which was a very difficult long process. It was not easy, so I really think immigration needs one big overhaul to prevent us in going the same direction as the UK and France. Big problem.

Between the White House, Congress and the Senate, this is like Kindergarten and we the taxpayers are paying for a circus being run without a tent.

 

[IG.]

Very well said!

So, are you ready to take control into your own hands? Because if you don't, the circus will continue its degrading performance for years to come... that is if we have that much time to sustain the circus.

 

[skydivr]

I still haven't spend the time to properly respond to Arch's delusional previous post about how great Obamacare is, but let me state a COLD HARD FACT: Today, BC/BS revealed our rate change for 2015 - up 29% from last year (and last year we DOUBLED our deductable to keep our rate flat for 2014). A 30% increase in the cost of our heath insurance is not something we as a company can absorb for our employees - which means they are going to have to share in paying for more of it. This is the COLD HARD FACT regarding Obamacare - "If you want to keep your Doctor" my azz.....

 

[dadofthree]

My co pay doubled and the plan cost increased 25% last year. My deductible increased 25%. What no one talks about are the delays that were implemented by President Obama and the big wammies that are scheduled to hit those with insurance in 2016. I'm also hearing but don't have any facts to present that many American workers have had their schedules reduced to avoid penalties under the AHA. I think the dude from MIT has pretty well set the record straight by calling American voters stupid

I really didn't want to post in this thread

 

[jellyrug]

My insurance is much the same, it is managed through my employer, a big fortune 500 company, coverage is excellent.

Sounds like someone is making a quick buck???

My wife use to volunteer at a county free care clinic, after Obama Care the clinic received a grant, she is now on salary getting payed. Care is free for those who qualify.

So in short, I am now making a profit.

 

[dadofthree]

Like I've always said there is no free lunch. The taxpayers didn't get a break.

 

[skydivr]

My insurance is much the same, it is managed through my employer, a big fortune 500 company, coverage is excellent.

Sounds like someone is making a quick buck???

My wife use to volunteer at a county free care clinic, after Obama Care the clinic received a grant, she is now on salary getting payed. Care is free for those who qualify.

So in short, I am now making a profit.

A Fortune 500 company carries a lot more leverage than a little one, which is why I think they like it (limits new competitors in their market). Or they (Like the UAW and the other President's buddies) got a hall pass and an exclusion to the rules....so the 'big business' the the President and his allies rail against and use as the bad guy, is the same big business that his policies give unfair advantages to...

 

[fallenarch]

You have a lot of hate in you Skydiver. You are letting it get the best of you. I'm not sure you guys know what socialism actually is, because if you did I don't see how you can call anything Obama has done socialism. Anyway, I'm sure there is nothing I can say to change your mind. But the facts are not on your side no matter how much anecdotal evidence you post.

 

[jellyrug]

A Fortune 500 company carries a lot more leverage than a little one, which is why I think they like it (limits new competitors in their market). Or they (Like the UAW and the other President's buddies) got a hall pass and an exclusion to the rules....so the 'big business' the the President and his allies rail against and use as the bad guy, is the same big business that his policies give unfair advantages to...

I believe this has more to do with the attempt to build "protection" into the new affordable act. Where they can, Insurance companies are trying to protect their profits as they no longer can exclude pre-existing conditions, high risk consumers have to be covered, they can no longer charge a premium based on health status etc. That is why you are seeing premiums going up.

If your insurance company is charging too much, have you looked at your states health insurance market place?

In the end this thing will sort itself out, however it is possible that a future Republican president scraps the bill.

Don't worry, in the end it will be okay

If it is not okay

It is not yet the end.

Somehow this thread got hijacked from immigration to health care. Personally, health care is not a subject close to my heart, as I manage my own through a healthy diet and exercise. Last time I really needed a doctor was when I fell off at 140 mph on the track through my own stupidity and even that was a very brief visit to make sure nothing is broken. I had a good life, as healthy as can get, getting old and if it gets to the stage where I have to live off doctors and pills, it is time to go.

 

[skydivr]

You have a lot of hate in you Skydiver. You are letting it get the best of you. I'm not sure you guys know what socialism actually is, because if you did I don't see how you can call anything Obama has done socialism. Anyway, I'm sure there is nothing I can say to change your mind. But the facts are not on your side no matter how much anecdotal evidence you post.

Arch, you really do crack me up. I had to take your post the other day and pass it around the office for laughs (I wish I could have recorded their reactions for you as they were precious), and I really need to nominate it for sticky status as the most delusional post ever made on the .org. You are an accountant, which means you should be really good at counting other people's money. This plan isn't Voodoo economics, it's Hoodoo economics. Good gawd, even the guy the helped write the plan admits it worked because the liberal voting base was "too stupid" to figure it out. They are laughing at every person that voted for them. Anybody that can count past ten knows the math doesn't work, unless you continue to separate people who have earned anything from their wealth. And now, we're gonna add 5 million more people to the rolls - and the people who will suffer the most aren't the rich, it's gonna be those who are at the bottom...But we all know it's not for those people, it's for their eventual vote. I don't know where you are getting your 'facts' (maybe out of a box of cracker jacks?), but from where I'm sitting, and given the shellacking the Dems took in the mid terms, it would appear that a majority of the county may be starting to see thru the BS....

Don't mistake my 'hate' for nothing more than determination in calling out the Emperor who has no clothes....

 

[kountrywill]

Skydivr if you think only liberals voted for this law then that explains the ignorance on whoevers part. I work for a fortune 500 company and I pay 60 bucks for insurance. All of the guys who used to pay nothing for our cadillac plans all whine because they blame it on obamacare. The same guys who complain about some people who want things free but sit in there trucks all day and collect paychecks for doing absolutely nothing. Im guilty also. I think the conservative party is so out of touch and stuck in the mind frame of fear. I said in an earlier post the world is changing whether you and your buddies at work like it or not. The past midterm elections had one of the lowest voter turnouts of any party. Did you know the biggest recipient group of obamacare was single white females whom make up the majority in the US. You think they are all Democrats. I would bet alot of people who say they are Republicans voted for Obama but wont say it publicly. I know several.

 

[jellyrug]

Arch, you really do crack me up. I had to take your post the other day and pass it around the office for laughs (I wish I could have recorded their reactions for you as they were precious), and I really need to nominate it for sticky status as the most delusional post ever made on the .org. You are an accountant, which means you should be really good at counting other people's money. This plan isn't Voodoo economics, it's Hoodoo economics. Good gawd, even the guy the helped write the plan admits it worked because the liberal voting base was "too stupid" to figure it out. They are laughing at every person that voted for them. Anybody that can count past ten knows the math doesn't work, unless you continue to separate people who have earned anything from their wealth. And now, we're gonna add 5 million more people to the rolls - and the people who will suffer the most aren't the rich, it's gonna be those who are at the bottom...But we all know it's not for those people, it's for their eventual vote. I don't know where you are getting your 'facts' (maybe out of a box of cracker jacks?), but from where I'm sitting, and given the shellacking the Dems took in the mid terms, it would appear that a majority of the county may be starting to see thru the BS....

Don't mistake my 'hate' for nothing more than determination in calling out the Emperor who has no clothes....

Just a few facts you may have missed:

1.) Work on the Affordable Care Act started way back, with decades of work from both sides of the isle, presented the first time in 1989.

2.) Every congress between the 107th and the 111th had bills on the issue introduced in the House and in the Senate.

3.) The biggest proponent of the ACA was Edward Kennedy, not Obama.

4.) The first implementation was "Romney Care" in Massachusetts, the exact model of "Obamacare". It worked pretty well because it was "Romney" and not "Obama" being the only real difference.

5.) Obama signed the ACA into law March 2010 and it was upheld later by the Supreme court.

6.) If you don't go and read all 1,000 + pages of the act and come back with factual arguments and suggestions for improvement, all you are doing is playing politics.

7.) Politics has unfortunately developed into an expensive kindergarten game, where Congress, the House, the Senate and the White House are more dysfunctional than ever before. We the taxpayers are paying for this and the more we blame Obama for it, the worse it gets.

8.) I hope you vote smart, when the time comes, but go read all 1,000+ pages first before just playing "Politics"

 

[skydivr]

Individuals didn't vote for the law kountry - their elected representative did. It passed because Harry and Nancy played games with the Senate and House rules in order for a simple majority to pass it. Not a single Republican voted for it. It did not have overwhelming support, but it did have a slim simple majority, and that was enough under the modified rules (but be careful about modifying the rules, because that may just come back to haunt them when the shoe is on the other foot). But, you are correct in your assesment that not only liberals voted to elect those people who passed the law. A lot of independents and moderates who drank the cool aid did - but apparently in the mid terms a lot of them sat out or changed their mind. Regardless, does the new Republican majority have the courage to remove it? Actually I kinda doubt it - they will most likely remove what they feel are the worst parts, but let it stand - which mathematically doesn't work either.

Refer to my earlier post. We do not have a cadillac plan, and all employees including me have the identical plan. Your Fortune 500 company has much better leverage and buying power than my little family business does - and what the law is doing is squeezing the little guys dry in favor of the big guys..yet most new jobs come from small business, not big ones. Same think the Frank-Dodd act did - was put in place to keep the big banks from getting out of hand, but imposed the same rules on the little ones who didn't have any part in the subprime lending fiasco in the first place - yet the net effect has made the big banks bigger and the smaller ones weaker. Just like what the ACA is doing to a lot of individual doctors, smaller insurers and smaller regional hospitals - the are all leaving the market in droves. I talked to a insurance wholesaler yesterday who told me several of his vendors left the market because of the ACA. The net effect is to eliminate competition and put more control in the larger institutions...

 

[skydivr]

Jelly, the law that is in effect now is not even the law that passed. Waivers granted, rules changed, implementation dates delayed. We get change notifications just about weekly. The worse parts haven't even gone into effect yet - but wait, it's coming....

I'm not foolish enough to claim I've read it, i'm just living it....

 

[jellyrug]

Jelly, the law that is in effect now is not even the law that passed. Waivers granted, rules changed, implementation dates delayed. We get change notifications just about weekly. The worse parts haven't even gone into effect yet - but wait, it's coming....

I'm not foolish enough to claim I've read it, i'm just living it....

Just asking the question, but why don't you (less than 50 employees) cancel all their policies and help them towards taking individual policies with Federal subsidies. This should be a better deal for the employees than small company plans.

PS. Are you employing a lot of baby boomers and are they smokers?