Road Rage this Morning... Yup

**Mental Note to self***

Try to make it home without giving the finger...gonna be a boring ride!
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Hey Rev...seriously, you have tons on you right now...enough on you that you're not always thinking about repercussions...you lost your cool, which we ALL do, and you regained your cool before things got bad...

You did good, and put the fear of God in to another living being...and for that, I thank you...
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Yeah, think about me at work. If you slip up on the way home you're still a soccer mom (
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Sorry, I couldn't resist that one. ). If I slip up on the way home from work in the patrol car, I'm a fired arse!
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If some guy came up to my vehicle and started punching the window I'd have no problem finding my Glock and puttin' a couple rounds through the glass and into them. It would be totally justified too.
So let me get this straight... If you think you can justify it and get away with it, you will use excessive force, even when you KNOW (or strongly suspect) that it isn't necessary?  Aren't you supposed to be on the good-guy's side?

Not saying my hubby here wasn't out of hand this morning (should have seen me slipping down in my seat - image: The opening scene of National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation)... but come on man - don't you think this image of yourself is a little harsh?



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rev, I'da heel-kicked you in the face [yes while still buckled in] then driven around your stopped car once the light turns green. ;) Kiddin dude! We're all human and subject to our temperment. nuttin like rush hour to bring out the worst in us.

which reminds me... anyone know the 'sign' for "love"? is it 1st and 4th fingers up and thumb crossing the tucked fingers? I'm gonna start using that if someone fingers me..

nope I found it! It's I, L, Y all at once: pinky, index and thumb out two center fingers tucked. cool
 
Yeah, think about me at work. If you slip up on the way home you're still a soccer mom (
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Sorry, I couldn't resist that one. ). If I slip up on the way home from work in the patrol car, I'm a fired arse!
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Hey...I don't have a minivan OR kids that play soccer (yet)...

No damn soccer mom here!
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dude.....your lucky he didn't grab your beard and pull it through the window ;-)
See the problem here, Sled, is that you're presupposing some creativeness on the part of the average joe. Gotta say I don't find much evidence for it around here...

The few folks we know who exhibit some creative thinking in this state are definitely... other-than-average"
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So let me get this straight... If you think you can justify it and get away with it, you will use excessive force, even when you KNOW (or strongly suspect) that it isn't necessary? Aren't you supposed to be on the good-guy's side?
I don't think there is really a way to KNOW anything for certain so if you are prepared for the worst, you stand a chance of living. hummer-dork coulda pulled a gun... REV coulda pulled a gun. I bet the guy was looking for his cell phone to call 911. I wouldn't mind living in the old west where people could hit each other legally and work things out. today it's a differetn story with lawsuits being more powerful than weapons - and that is just plain stupid. a law suit would never punch you for blowing your horn, but a good wallop might teach you to be patient with others. today we are restricted from being human and placed under INHUMAN stresses. all right, I'm stopping before I get on my philosophical soapbox again of how our priorities and what is imortant is not really what life is, but misdiredction causing ourselves more pain and anguish. oops.



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So let me get this straight... If you think you can justify it and get away with it, you will use excessive force, even when you KNOW (or strongly suspect) that it isn't necessary?  Aren't you supposed to be on the good-guy's side?
I don't think there is really a way to KNOW anything for certain so if you are prepared for the worst, you stand a chance of living.  hummer-dork coulda pulled a gun... REV coulda pulled a gun.  I bet the guy was looking for his cell phone to call 911.  I wouldn't mind living in the old west where people could hit each other legally and work things out.  today it's a differetn story with lawsuits being more powerful than weapons - and that is just plain stupid.  a law suit would never punch you for blowing your horn, but a good wallop might teach you to be patient with others.  today we are restricted from being human and placed under INHUMAN stresses.  all right, I'm stopping before I get on my philosophical soapbox again of how our priorities and what is imortant is not really what life is, but misdiredction causing ourselves more pain and anguish.  oops.
I agree with a lot of what you said... but BT is supposed to be the cop - it's his JOB to be able to decide if that amount of force is necessary, and to use only the required amount. Not to take advantage of the situation to inflict as much harm and damage and he thinks he can get away with.

Sorry if I sound kinda harsh - it just really irks me to see the law throwing muscle around in that way. I dunno - maybe he's just talkin' trash?
 
If some guy came up to my vehicle and started punching the window I'd have no problem finding my Glock and puttin' a couple rounds through the glass and into them. It would be totally justified too.
So let me get this straight... If you think you can justify it and get away with it, you will use excessive force, even when you KNOW (or strongly suspect) that it isn't necessary? Aren't you supposed to be on the good-guy's side?

Not saying my hubby here wasn't out of hand this morning (should have seen me slipping down in my seat - image: The opening scene of National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation)... but come on man - don't you think this image of yourself is a little harsh?
First off, I don't "think" it would be justified, I know it would be. Yer hubby was clearly the first person to act out of line. I quote...

While doing that some dude in a Minivan behind me lays on the horn... I was kind of irked, I mean where the fug are we going to get to anyway??? We're not going to make this light...

So, Pissed off and irritated I give the guy the finger as I move ahead to sit at the light... Well then I look in my mirror and he's giving me the Bird... I am like "WTF?" That's like "Double Uncool"... *Sigh*
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As bad as it pisses me off, someone blowing the horn at you when you're stopped in traffic isn't "out of line". It's irritating as HELL, but not inherrently offensive and out of line, per say. "The bird", however, is generally accepted as offensive and likely to enrage another.

Rev was admittedly the first to commit an inherently offensive, rage inducing act and the first and only one to break a law. Well, if it had occured in Georgia anyway... Disorderly Conduct 16-11-39 Open and shut case. I don't know Florida law but most states have similar laws regarding this type of behaviour.

I don't think that was your point though, was it? I think the point was that I came across like I do whatever I think I can get away with... In that case, you're right. I came across wrong. I did say that I'd have no problem ventilating some fool who approaches my vehicle and tries to punch the window out... and I wouldn't have a problem with that given certain circumstances. What I didn't really mean to imply was that I'd have shot Rev in the given scenario. Personally, if my blowing the horn had started the whole thing I actually would somehow feel somewhat responsible for the whole mess and would hate to have to live with shootin' somebody over somethin' I technically started. Fwiw, I only blow my horn in traffic when someone is cuttin' me off, or to just bump the horn to get the attention of someone who is "sleepin' at the light" and doesn't realize it has changed.

My intended point was to illustrate how close Rev might actually have been to gettin' his head blown off over some stupid stuff... and the fact that the guy probably would have walked after blowin' him away.

Also, I don't like armchair quarterbackin' someone else's game. It's easy for all of us to sit here at our computers and spout off about what we would have done to the guy, or what we would have done to Rev had we been the other guy, but...

I'd like to think that if I'd been Rev, I would have just thrown my hands up (no bird) at the guy like WTF, and just cussed him inside my car for the next couple miles like I normally do when I encounter a jerk in traffic.

I'd also like to think that if I'd been the other guy I would have gotten my butt out of the vehicle so I wasn't at such a disadvantage to Rev and dealt with whatever threat level he brought to me as the event unfolded.

I'm most certainly not the type of person who tries to do whatever I think I can get away just because I think I can get away with it. That point couldn't have came across any less accurate.
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So let me get this straight... If you think you can justify it and get away with it, you will use excessive force, even when you KNOW (or strongly suspect) that it isn't necessary? Aren't you supposed to be on the good-guy's side?
I don't think there is really a way to KNOW anything for certain so if you are prepared for the worst, you stand a chance of living. hummer-dork coulda pulled a gun... REV coulda pulled a gun. I bet the guy was looking for his cell phone to call 911. I wouldn't mind living in the old west where people could hit each other legally and work things out. today it's a differetn story with lawsuits being more powerful than weapons - and that is just plain stupid. a law suit would never punch you for blowing your horn, but a good wallop might teach you to be patient with others. today we are restricted from being human and placed under INHUMAN stresses. all right, I'm stopping before I get on my philosophical soapbox again of how our priorities and what is imortant is not really what life is, but misdiredction causing ourselves more pain and anguish. oops.
I agree with a lot of what you said... but BT is supposed to be the cop - it's his JOB to be able to decide if that amount of force is necessary, and to use only the required amount. Not to take advantage of the situation to inflict as much harm and damage and he thinks he can get away with.

Sorry if I sound kinda harsh - it just really irks me to see the law throwing muscle around in that way. I dunno - maybe he's just talkin' trash?
Not talkin' trash, Mrs Rev... Just poorly conveying my point.
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I'm just glad he didn't get out and stomp your ass...
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Yeah man if he had cashed in those wolf tickets you were selling then the topic would have been:

Road Rage this Morning...Yup
Got my as kick severly
Lol!!!
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Umm... Not Bloody likely...
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No I am not some "Badass" I know I certainly do not look like it. Heh... BUT, I haven't always been the Graphics Guy. I'm thinking you gentlemen are mistaking me someone who cannot handle their business... This is not the case.
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Honestly, I am really REALLY GLAD, that his drivers side window did NOT fail...

Can you imagine the #### storm of trouble I'd be in right now? Holy Hell, the unprovoked ass kicking of a some dude? In Morning traffic? Good Grief... It would be all I needed to fug up ALL OF MY PLANS!!!! Wont be leaving the state because I'd have court dates and stuff.... Just horrible...

So Yeah Bullet is pretty much right, I was totally out of Check, didn't square myself away until it could have been too late...

BUT, (and I know your screwing with me) I really can manage myself. I can be trained...
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Wow, your crazy man.

Unfortunately not crazy good in this case.

You acted just like that guy in the hummer in WWJD's story... most uncool.

BUT.... I guess you kina redeemed yourself by making peace and apologizing at the end... so your one up on that hummer prlck.

I've had somebody behind me piss me off so much that I stopped in the middle of the road and parked my car to piss them off. I wasn't going to be the first one out of my car, so I just sat there and waited 5 minutes. I was hoping that he would get out of his car "to give me a talking to," cause I would have gotten out of my car then.

I can fly off the handle, just like everyone else, but I have a strict rule about initiating conflict that I have never broken.

You gotta get your behind to the gym (and if you already go, you gotta work out harder!). You gotta release that aggression somehow. You'll feel a lot better after pounding on a heavy bag for 15 minutes, believe me.
You sir, are spooky acurate. I basically gave away my heavy bag when we moved to a 15 year old son of a friend who was having some behavior problems... He's been beating the heck out of that. I have always had a heavy bag, either freestanding or Hanging...

Funny you should mention it... Damn good reminder... When we get moved in, I'll have a new one...
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I was also thinking of that Hummer ##### in WWJD's thread. I'll bet that guy is just as happy as I am that WWJD kept walking, or in my case the guy stayed in his van....

Really lucky I'm not in trouble today over some seriously stupid stuff...
 
I figure I'd just fugg with you about it right now because I'm guessin' that MIDDAY REV is a little more rational than MORNIN' REV...
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 Man I wish I had that little smilie that shoots the finger at ya...
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I appreciate it Bro...  I felt like I earned a Board wide Ass chewing, maybe this way the wife will be a little more gentle...

I mean, it's one thing to do this stupid crap when I am by myself...  It's another to do it in front of my wife...  Damn...  
How do I earn that respect back?  

That's what bothers me, yeah jail time and all of that would have been a bummer, but the potential position this put the wife in is totally uncool...  She wants me to come with her to Washington, it's very important to her.  So if I had screwed that up because of this???   Oh man...  

Oh and B... Bro?  

Here Ya Go...  
 
If some guy came up to my vehicle and started punching the window I'd have no problem finding my Glock and puttin' a couple rounds through the glass and into them. It would be totally justified too.
So let me get this straight... If you think you can justify it and get away with it, you will use excessive force, even when you KNOW (or strongly suspect) that it isn't necessary?  Aren't you supposed to be on the good-guy's side?

Not saying my hubby here wasn't out of hand this morning (should have seen me slipping down in my seat - image: The opening scene of National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation)... but come on man - don't you think this image of yourself is a little harsh?
First off, I don't "think" it would be justified, I know it would be. Yer hubby was clearly the first person to act out of line. I quote...

While doing that some dude in a Minivan behind me lays on the horn...  I was kind of irked, I mean where the fug are we going to get to anyway???  We're not going to make this light...  

So, Pissed off and irritated I give the guy the finger as I move ahead to sit at the light...  Well then I look in my mirror and he's giving me the Bird...  I am like "WTF?"  That's like "Double Uncool"...  *Sigh*

As bad as it pisses me off, someone blowing the horn at you when you're stopped in traffic isn't "out of line". It's irritating as HELL, but not inherrently offensive and out of line, per say. "The bird", however, is generally accepted as offensive and likely to enrage another.

Rev was admittedly the first to commit an inherently offensive, rage inducing act and the first and only one to break a law. Well, if it had occured in Georgia anyway... Disorderly Conduct 16-11-39 Open and shut case. I don't know Florida law but most states have similar laws regarding this type of behaviour. [/QUOTE]

Oh - I never said he wasn't the initiator... I thought the response was a little extreme. Since when does Disorderly Conduct warrant Lethal Force? I think you might have a tough time convincing the jury that someone punching your car justified you shooting them in the head...
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I don't think that was your point though, was it? I think the point was that I came across like I do whatever I think I can get away with... In that case, you're right. I came across wrong. I did say that I'd have no problem ventilating some fool who approaches my vehicle and tries to punch the window out... and I wouldn't have a problem with that given certain circumstances.  What I didn't really mean to imply was that I'd have shot Rev in the given scenario. Personally, if my blowing the horn had started the whole thing I actually would somehow feel somewhat responsible for the whole mess and would hate to have to live with shootin' somebody over somethin' I technically started. Fwiw, I only blow my horn in traffic when someone is cuttin' me off, or to just bump the horn to get the attention of someone who is "sleepin' at the light" and doesn't realize it has changed.

My intended point was to illustrate how close Rev might actually have been to gettin' his head blown off over some stupid stuff... and the fact that the guy probably would have walked after blowin' him away.  

Also, I don't like armchair quarterbackin' someone else's game. It's easy for all of us to sit here at our computers and spout off about what we would have done to the guy, or what we would have done to Rev had we been the other guy, but...

I'd like to think that if I'd been Rev, I would have just thrown my hands up (no bird) at the guy like WTF, and just cussed him inside my car for the next couple miles like I normally do when I encounter a jerk in traffic.

I'd also like to think that if I'd been the other guy I would have gotten my butt out of the vehicle so I wasn't at such a disadvantage to Rev and dealt with whatever threat level he brought to me as the event unfolded.

I'm most certainly not the type of person who tries to do whatever I think I can get away just because I think I can get away with it. That point couldn't have came across any less accurate.
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Mostly yes, it was the tone presented in the post. I'm all for a general beating... but I don't like hearing that kind of gun-totin' posturing. It's the attitude present by most thugs... thus I don't really think it should be the attitude presented by law enforcement. I understand that it's not how you intended it... so I'll withdraw a little of the caustic venom from my post... It just came across sounding like something I'd expect the "cop-killah thuggy" to be spouting... not the cop.



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