First off, I don't "think" it would be justified, I know it would be. Yer hubby was clearly the first person to act out of line. I quote...So let me get this straight... If you think you can justify it and get away with it, you will use excessive force, even when you KNOW (or strongly suspect) that it isn't necessary? Aren't you supposed to be on the good-guy's side?If some guy came up to my vehicle and started punching the window I'd have no problem finding my Glock and puttin' a couple rounds through the glass and into them. It would be totally justified too.
Not saying my hubby here wasn't out of hand this morning (should have seen me slipping down in my seat - image: The opening scene of National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation)... but come on man - don't you think this image of yourself is a little harsh?
While doing that some dude in a Minivan behind me lays on the horn... I was kind of irked, I mean where the fug are we going to get to anyway??? We're not going to make this light...
So, Pissed off and irritated I give the guy the finger as I move ahead to sit at the light... Well then I look in my mirror and he's giving me the Bird... I am like "WTF?" That's like "Double Uncool"... *Sigh*
As bad as it pisses me off, someone blowing the horn at you when you're stopped in traffic isn't "out of line". It's irritating as HELL, but not inherrently offensive and out of line, per say. "The bird", however, is generally accepted as offensive and likely to enrage another.
Rev was admittedly the first to commit an inherently offensive, rage inducing act and the first and only one to break a law. Well, if it had occured in Georgia anyway... Disorderly Conduct 16-11-39 Open and shut case. I don't know Florida law but most states have similar laws regarding this type of behaviour.
Oh - I never said he wasn't the initiator... I thought the response was a little extreme. Since when does Disorderly Conduct warrant Lethal Force? I think you might have a tough time convincing the jury that someone punching your car justified you shooting them in the head...
I don't think that was your point though, was it? I think the point was that I came across like I do whatever I think I can get away with... In that case, you're right. I came across wrong. I did say that I'd have no problem ventilating some fool who approaches my vehicle and tries to punch the window out... and I wouldn't have a problem with that given certain circumstances. What I didn't really mean to imply was that I'd have shot Rev in the given scenario. Personally, if my blowing the horn had started the whole thing I actually would somehow feel somewhat responsible for the whole mess and would hate to have to live with shootin' somebody over somethin' I technically started. Fwiw, I only blow my horn in traffic when someone is cuttin' me off, or to just bump the horn to get the attention of someone who is "sleepin' at the light" and doesn't realize it has changed.
My intended point was to illustrate how close Rev might actually have been to gettin' his head blown off over some stupid stuff... and the fact that the guy probably would have walked after blowin' him away.
Also, I don't like armchair quarterbackin' someone else's game. It's easy for all of us to sit here at our computers and spout off about what we would have done to the guy, or what we would have done to Rev had we been the other guy, but...
I'd like to think that if I'd been Rev, I would have just thrown my hands up (no bird) at the guy like WTF, and just cussed him inside my car for the next couple miles like I normally do when I encounter a jerk in traffic.
I'd also like to think that if I'd been the other guy I would have gotten my butt out of the vehicle so I wasn't at such a disadvantage to Rev and dealt with whatever threat level he brought to me as the event unfolded.
I'm most certainly not the type of person who tries to do whatever I think I can get away just because I think I can get away with it. That point couldn't have came across any less accurate.
Mostly yes, it was the tone presented in the post. I'm all for a general beating... but I don't like hearing that kind of gun-totin' posturing. It's the attitude present by most thugs... thus I don't really think it should be the attitude presented by law enforcement. I understand that it's not how you intended it... so I'll withdraw a little of the caustic venom from my post... It just came across sounding like something I'd expect the "cop-killah thuggy" to be spouting... not the cop.[/QUOTE]
It's all good Bullet, I think Your dead on in regards to how I mishandled this... Heck all it would have taken was one LEO sitting two cars back... My ass would prolly already be in trouble....
I knew what you were saying in your initial post... Or at least I got what your point was.
I certainly didn't post this up to get attaboys... OK OK at least not serious attaboys, (Thanks though VA)
I was expecting and deserving of a board asschewing, because there is NO WAY to justify or defend my actions. Well beyond I was trying to do the right thing initially for the folks trying to get on the road... Tyring to be a nice guy...