And vice-versa.....
There sure is a lot of US military hardware all over the world in the hands of the enemies of the US.
ISIS was mostly equipped with US hardware they captured.
Russia and Ukraine
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There sure is a lot of US military hardware all over the world in the hands of the enemies of the US.
ISIS was mostly equipped with US hardware they captured.
Russia is itching to get into the Ukraine and are starting to look hard for any excuse to invade...
It almost reminds me of the instance where someone is saying stop but this feeds a defiant attitude that works themselves to a fevered pitch. Almost like Chauvin sitting on Floyd was entrenched in some sort of odd trance to be defiant-he most likely knew he was doing something wrong but was too engrossed in his actions to stop and reset.
Russia is engrossed in their actions....I'm not sure if they will stop...threats of sanctions don't seem to be bothering them right now.
....or Putin might be playing chicken to see who blinks...
It almost reminds me of the instance where someone is saying stop but this feeds a defiant attitude that works themselves to a fevered pitch. Almost like Chauvin sitting on Floyd was entrenched in some sort of odd trance to be defiant-he most likely knew he was doing something wrong but was too engrossed in his actions to stop and reset.
Russia is engrossed in their actions....I'm not sure if they will stop...threats of sanctions don't seem to be bothering them right now.
....or Putin might be playing chicken to see who blinks...
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I think Putin is in a box. I don't think he expected the response he got from the west and now he feels like he can't just walk away with nothing. I think now he is testing the waters to see if we'll tolerate a smaller incursion or if he can get Ukraine to be the aggressor. Pulling back from Ukraine with nothing will be a serious political blow to Putin, maybe bigger than sanctions. This is a nail-biter.
TallTom
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They can get around sanctions. They always have.
That would definitely be a great worry...being in a county where there is the very real threat of invasion is very stressful.
TallTom
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They can sit on the borders and embargo anything Ukraine needs to survive. Nothing in, nothing out. Ratchet up sanctions on Putin, he puts more pain on Ukraine.
Access to Ukraine can come from Poland and Belarus so starving them out would be difficult.
NATO has already showed their hand.
TallTom
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I don't think they've shown their hand yet. Airlifting supplies sounds good in theory. Through what airspace do you propose they do this? They would need permission no?
By NATO showing their hand they have shown overt support for Ukraine and have already inserted arms and troops into Belarus and Poland...I would suspect those airspaces are open to them as well as the land borders with Ukraine...
It has become an "us" against "them" all over again reminiscent of the cold war days.
mark3evo
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i found this info - it is right i think. Ukraine is a rich country in terms of minerals and rich farmland. Putin would like a puppet state like Belarus
For those who ask: “Why does Ukraine matter
This is why Ukraine matters.
It is the second largest country by area in Europe by area and has a population
of over 40 million - more than Poland.
Minerals:
Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an important agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an important industrialised country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system;
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
Ukraine matters
That is why its independence is important to the rest of the world
For those who ask: “Why does Ukraine matter
This is why Ukraine matters.
It is the second largest country by area in Europe by area and has a population
of over 40 million - more than Poland.
Minerals:
Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an important agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an important industrialised country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system;
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
Ukraine matters
That is why its independence is important to the rest of the world
Russia is 100% knowledgeable of all these points but I almost think it goes beyond this with Putin....
I would think with his background, the break up of the USSR was hard to take and any opportunity he can grab to get the old gang back together-he will take it.
It is in the west's best interest to not allow this but in the end, if Russia invades, nothing but western intervention and thus starting a potential global conflict will stop this from happening.
there wont be a global war thats not going to happen, the US don't have any responsibility or authority to fight Russia over Ukraine. Have the US not learned anything yet
mark3evo
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at the moment i believe the West .... USA/UK/France will only use heavy sanctions.. Ukraine are not in NATO
why should Nato invade/support a non nato country
i'm pretty sure most Americans would not want US boots in Ukraine
moko
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Trump and white hat military about to destroy deepstate....deepstate trying to start a war,to distract us.
deepstate send8ng UN troops to canada and ukra8n to try an enslave mankind and start war
remember when Trump said "Storm is coming"....and media asked "what storm"?....Trump responded,"you'll find out"....well its about to start
deepstate send8ng UN troops to canada and ukra8n to try an enslave mankind and start war
remember when Trump said "Storm is coming"....and media asked "what storm"?....Trump responded,"you'll find out"....well its about to start
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Zerks
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I have to imagine that Putin has a love hate relationship at arms length with our so called "Deep State". The 24 / 7 / 365 attack on President Trump for 4 years didn't contribute anything worthwhile to policy decisions between Russia and the USA.Trump and white hat military about to destroy deepstate....deepstate trying to start a war,to distract us.
remember when Trump said "Storm is coming"....and media asked "what storm"?....Trump responded,"you'll find out"....well its about to start
I can only imagine what was discussed behind closed doors between Putin and Trump that drove Pelosi and the democrats crazy at the time it was going on. I guess the deep state democrats couldn't get the meeting room tapped in time before the meetings took place.
Exactly my point......if Russia intends to invade the Ukraine there is little the west can do other than impose sanctions...
...One would think wouldn't they?
I believe the west will stay out of Russia and China's sandboxes...there will be the insertion of weapons and tactics the same as the Russians inserted weapons and tactics in Syria and Iraq (covertly of course).
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