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And Why is everyone on this list exempt?
Including illegals?
Hmmmmmm
I think this sums it all up.
I could make that sign in a half hour, put it on a tree on my property, post it and have all the zealots unite...(which of course is exactly what someone did).

How did this thread get Covid crap leeched into it is what I ask.
 
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I guess you haven't figured out what the attraction to living in America is all about when you watch and know is that people have been immigrating legally and illegally to America for decades. Yeah, being Americanized must really suck in your opinion.



Posts like I see on these threads sure don't make me want to run down to the US and take up residency....

From your own admission you belong to many other forums...you must have either pissed them all off or they are all of a like ideology for you to find the need to spread this sort of ideology to us here.

Unless you've spent time in a country where there are no civil liberties or any sort of governmental protection, you will never get the privilege of where you currently live.

All these poor first world people and their horrible lives makes me really wonder sometimes.

Keep the Covid crap where it belongs, there are several thread for that talk already.
 
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So you believe this?
This list is nothing new.
It's just facts...check them.
And, as I've said before, worst of them all, ...Every Democrat voted Against vaccinating illegals...and yet they bus and fly them all over the country.
If covid was so deadly, then why?
That list isn't conspiracy...so don't be suprised if people think there is one after reading it.
 
Putin in 1960s (far left ) looked shifty then

Must be starting his KGB Apprenticeship

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It was meant to make you think... now go get a booster and keep that mask on. If you don't believe freedom of choice impacts the value of life... then... you can be whatever "they" want you to be.
Well, that freedom of choice thing seems to be working for you.
 
Well, that freedom of choice thing seems to be working for you.
It works for all of us and I really appreciate what we still have that hasn't been legislated away through the forces of perceived in-equality. Life for the masses will never balance perfectly because our direct experiences and values will always be dis similar in certain ways.

The tyrant class has been with us for centuries and I don't expect the rise to power to stop with this generation or the next one. As Reagan famously said... paraphrased... we are just one generation away from losing this democracy.

Covid is about control... Freedom loving people that are willing to stand up to the powers that be will always be in the minority. This why its so easy for the media to portray protestors as crazy and misguided people. It only takes about 10% of the population to rise up and defeat the tyrant class. The Revolutionary War was won with about 8% of the colonist putting up a fight. Today the technocracy has given a bit of an edge to the tyrants as shown by the media, big tech, and the education system all being in the corner and under the control of tyrants as well the vast resources they control.

Our government needs an overhaul... as in back to square one. Start by getting rid of the two tier justice system.

The founders understood very well what happens when a federal government gets to big.
 
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Posts like I see on these threads sure don't make me want to run down to the US and take up residency....

From your own admission you belong to many other forums...you must have either pissed them all off or they are all of a like ideology for you to find the need to spread this sort of ideology to us here.

Unless you've spent time in a country where there are no civil liberties or any sort of governmental protection, you will never get the privilege of where you currently live.

All these poor first world people and their horrible lives makes me really wonder sometimes.

Keep the Covid crap where it belongs, there are several thread for that talk already.
You think I belong to many forums?? Corvetteforum since 1999, ZR1Net since about 2001. The Concours forum is on my 1st renewal... and this one that I signed up for around 2013 when I bought my 2nd Gen 1. I was absent for a while here then decided to get back into it.

As far as being born here, or wherever in the world a person finds themselves that is the hand people are dealt. Some mountains are harder and higher to climb than others. Yes, the odds are stacked when you live in a poop hole...

However, their are certain cultures on this planet that have a higher level of overall happiness than many people in western cultures. Western culture comes with its own set of obstacles and issues that aren't all that glorious as a lifestyle. Its all relative.

Monday use to be the day with the highest rate of heart attacks in America. I don't know if that is still true today, however, it did point to the first day of the work week taking a bigger toll on the regular M/F work week worker.

A freedom focused and protective government would never be churning out restrictive edicts as a way to control people unless tyrants were in charge.
 
You think I belong to many forums?? Corvetteforum since 1999, ZR1Net since about 2001. The Concours forum is on my 1st renewal... and this one that I signed up for around 2013 when I bought my 2nd Gen 1. I was absent for a while here then decided to get back into it.

As far as being born here, or wherever in the world a person finds themselves that is the hand people are dealt. Some mountains are harder and higher to climb than others. Yes, the odds are stacked when you live in a poop hole...

However, their are certain cultures on this planet that have a higher level of overall happiness than many people in western cultures. Western culture comes with its own set of obstacles and issues that aren't all that glorious as a lifestyle. Its all relative.

Monday use to be the day with the highest rate of heart attacks in America. I don't know if that is still true today, however, it did point to the first day of the work week taking a bigger toll on the regular M/F work week worker.

A freedom focused and protective government would never be churning out restrictive edicts as a way to control people unless tyrants were in charge.
That is a few different forums with many different viewpoints I'd bet-in comparison, I belong to one forum....

Religion, politics and certain ideologies are responsible for more deaths than anything else. I was surprised that in some countries I was in, people could tell me exactly who was what religion and what their political inclination was....they were equally surprised when I didn't know that about our own people.

Maybe Canada is different but we don't wear our religion or politics on our sleeves.....maybe I was expecting this from people on this forum.

I believe sometimes it is good and bad to know someone's inclinations as it lets you know where that person stands...on the other side of the coin, ignorance is bliss and on a forum such as this, I find the focus should be motorcycles although a good discussion is nice as well-when someone pushes their ideology upon others, that's when I tap out.

I've had discussions with insurgents and after the initial "I hate you. you hate me" is over and done, we were actually able to talk. Many of these people were highly motivated and intelligent and could carry a conversation. We captured one guy who was born and raised in the US, went to university and was travelling when he decided to visit family in the middle east, they easily indoctrinated him into their ideology and the next thing he knew, he was fighting us.

In many ways it is similar to a cult where people blindly follow-certain western political views remind me of this.
 
Looks like Putin blinked. He is calling for diplomacy and pulling some forces back. That's a win for Biden's handling of the problem. But I would say it's still at least as dangerous as before. First, Russia didn't need all those troops to invade Ukraine in the first place, so even if he leaves just 10-20K there it's still a credible threat. Basically, all those troops were always a distraction and represented a strategic over-kill. Second, there was no resolution to the basic issue one way or another, so we could do this all over again in a couple of years. So as Ukraine's president has said, they have been under siege for 8 years already and that won't stop. In fact, Russia is more likely to go to the "change of leadership" mode, which constant disruptions to the Ukraine inner workings. And finally, we gave Ukraine a lot of stuff we wouldn't have given them under normal circumstances. We've seen this movie before and how long will it be until those weapons are pointed at the wrong people?

The only good thing here is Putin seems to be playing chess - he's not bat-chit crazy. He is acting aggressively but rationally. In a way, it made sense to test the west especially now with the US so preoccupied with itself. But if he accepts that with all of the chaos the Biden administration is dealing with, they have their eye on the world chessboard, there can be a resolution.
 
Looks like Putin blinked. He is calling for diplomacy and pulling some forces back. That's a win for Biden's handling of the problem. But I would say it's still at least as dangerous as before. First, Russia didn't need all those troops to invade Ukraine in the first place, so even if he leaves just 10-20K there it's still a credible threat. Basically, all those troops were always a distraction and represented a strategic over-kill. Second, there was no resolution to the basic issue one way or another, so we could do this all over again in a couple of years. So as Ukraine's president has said, they have been under siege for 8 years already and that won't stop. In fact, Russia is more likely to go to the "change of leadership" mode, which constant disruptions to the Ukraine inner workings. And finally, we gave Ukraine a lot of stuff we wouldn't have given them under normal circumstances. We've seen this movie before and how long will it be until those weapons are pointed at the wrong people?

The only good thing here is Putin seems to be playing chess - he's not bat-chit crazy. He is acting aggressively but rationally. In a way, it made sense to test the west especially now with the US so preoccupied with itself. But if he accepts that with all of the chaos the Biden administration is dealing with, they have their eye on the world chessboard, there can be a resolution.
Now Putin knows exactly where he stands with the rest of the world....I can see him lowering a partial "Iron Curtain" again....
 
Well, you need two things to be a true superpower: 1) military force, basically nukes, and 2) world economic power. Russia is a super military power but economically they are little more than a Saudi Arabia peddling energy. Military power allows you to control your potential and protect it from meddling while the economy is where wars are fought nowadays. I think Putin wanting to reassemble the USSR is an old world goal that ultimately won't raise their role in the future of things. Somehow, Putin has to make his country an economic superpower which means a middle class and freedom. That's a tough nut to crack as a committed authoritarian.

Interesting that after a few decades of running away from glasnost and dedicating Russia to rule by authority, they have reached an impasse that can't be overcome by shooting. I think this is the symbolic reality Ukraine represents. Now the real question is, what has China learned from this episode?
 
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No evidence of pulling forces back every day Putin forces is on the border.

Ukraine is economically weaker - the economy is getting worse.. Putin knows what he is doing.
Biden has not a clue.

Russia to continue peak phase of military exercises until the end of this month - Reuters news agency​

Western intelligence suggests there are no credible signs of Russian de-escalation, an official has said.
The senior Western intelligence official told Reuters that Russian military exercises will continue in their peak phase until the end of the month.
Ballistic missile launches are also set to follow, they said.
 
Well, you need two things to be a true superpower: 1) military force, basically nukes, and 2) world economic power. Russia is a super military power but economically they are little more than a Saudi Arabia peddling energy. Military power allows you to control your potential and protect it from meddling while the economy is where wars are fought nowadays. I think Putin wanting to reassemble the USSR is an old world goal that ultimately won't raise their role in the future of things. Somehow, Putin has to make his country an economic superpower which means a middle class and freedom. That's a tough nut to crack as a committed authoritarian.

Interesting that after a few decades of running away from glasnost and dedicating Russia to rule by authority, they have reached an impasse that can't be overcome by shooting. I think this is the symbolic reality Ukraine represents. Now the real question is, what has China learned from this episode?
It will be interesting to hear from a Ukrainian, if there is one here on the forum.

But my understanding about the Ukraine situation is more inline with the lost favorite son who abandoned his family and his father wants to force him to come home.
 
It will be interesting to hear from a Ukrainian, if there is one here on the forum.

But my understanding about the Ukraine situation is more inline with the lost favorite son who abandoned his family and his father wants to force him to come home.
I sort of feel that way too but didn't know enough about it to say that. I think we would be a bit butt hurt if Virginia broke away from the US (along with our major military port) and would probably fight to not let them go.
 
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