Russia and Ukraine

[Zerks]

Some political hack eh? Sure shows you know squat about history. Winston Churchill said that during WW2.

The political hack was the former mayor of Chicago... Rom Emanual... don't know how to spell his first name... that is how it sounds.

I always thought Churchill was a populist leader during his time in office. If he was he probably wouldn't think or say anything like that openly.

 

[jellyrug]

The electoral process would work just fine if you didn't have the party of fraud corrupting the vote in the middle of the night in 6 states that are still heavily resisting the efforts to audit the vote... nothing to see here.... we counted them once and don't want them counted agin... we rigged it right the first time... right comrade?

What is scary, is the bias some folks show towards blindly following a moron. Hitler, Putin and Trump being prime examples.

It is scary to look at how many Republicans still believe the election was rigged. Just as scary to see how many Russians believe Putin has ample reason to justify his invasion of Ukraine.

The ability of Humanity to blindly follow like a herd of sheep always amazes me.

 

[TallTom]

What is scary, is the bias some folks show towards blindly following a moron. Hitler, Putin and Trump being prime examples.

It is scary to look at how many Republicans still believe the election was rigged. Just as scary to see how many Russians believe Putin has ample reason to justify his invasion of Ukraine.

The ability of Humanity to blindly follow like a herd of sheep always amazes me.

Or the Democrats that blindly follow the directions of people like Maxine Waters to hunt down, dox, confront and harass any member of the Republican party they can find. In public, in private, at work.

So yeah Trump matched that stupidity.

 

[mark3evo]

wow - as an outsider looking in it is plain to see how politics in US is fractured almost every topic or view point turns into an argument between the Rupublicans v Democrats

 

[TallTom]

wow - as an outsider looking in it is plain to see how politics in US is fractured almost every topic or view point turns into an argument between the Rupublicans v Democrats

Yep and how the media only wants you to believe what they want you to believe. But that's mostly surrounding the politics as well. Robert DiNero is allowed to say eff Trump at the Academy awards. But you can't be seen wearing a shirt that says Way to Go Brandon.

 

[Zerks]

What is scary, is the bias some folks show towards blindly following a moron. Hitler, Putin and Trump being prime examples.

It is scary to look at how many Republicans still believe the election was rigged. Just as scary to see how many Russians believe Putin has ample reason to justify his invasion of Ukraine.

The ability of Humanity to blindly follow like a herd of sheep always amazes me.

What is scary is when the majority of the MSM parrots the same talking points word for word across multiple channels during the same time frames. What is scary is when Antifa and BLM can organize to kill, destroy property, intimidate people and run the police out of their own police stations and not one democrat hack job will ask for National Guard assistance to stop the mayhem. President Trump offered numerous times to assist in stopping the carnage... what did those governors and mayors say? No thanks... in effect.... we don't need and law and order here.

Just look at the number of people that showed up for Trump rallies and what showed up for Biden rallies that were really just a flop in terms of participation. Those were the most glaring examples of enthusiasm as compared to lethargy I have ever seen in a political contest to gain voters in my life. However... some of you call it by another name which tells me a lot about how people like you perceive this world.

 

[Zerks]

wow - as an outsider looking in it is plain to see how politics in US is fractured almost every topic or view point turns into an argument between the Rupublicans v Democrats

This is because the political powers that be are focused on controlling every aspect of life in America. One example is the onslaught of illegal immigration supported by the leftist democrats. Joe appointed Kamala to handle the border and in a year and a half she still hasn't gone to the border to see for herself first hand what an illegal flood on illegal aliens looks like. The left welcomes the numbers of illegals from about 2000 a day and up.... and when title 42 gets thrown out they expect about 7000 illegals a day... what country has you seen allow that before?

You are witnessing the destruction of America right before your eyes... no covid restrictions for illegals coming here... no restrictions in human trafficking... no restrictions in illegal drug trade coming over the border with a new exception in Texas. Texas recently started searching semi trucks coming in from Mexico. record sized drug bust have been happening with loads of fetanal in volumes that can kill millions of people... Whats happening at the borders where you live?

 

[mark3evo]

Whats happening at the borders where you live?

luckily we have a stretch of water 21 miles wide its called the English Channel, we only get a trickle maybe 20,000 a year sailing in unsafe dinghies. Just so glad the ice age retreated 15,000 years ago when UK was merged with European mainland.

 

[Zerks]

What is scary, is the bias some folks show towards blindly following a moron. Hitler, Putin and Trump being prime examples.

It is scary to look at how many Republicans still believe the election was rigged. Just as scary to see how many Russians believe Putin has ample reason to justify his invasion of Ukraine.

The ability of Humanity to blindly follow like a herd of sheep always amazes me.

Many reasons to consider the election was rigged. #1 would be that president Trump was winning in those 6 states prior to the early hours after the polls closed. The next morning all 6 states in question had flipped to Biden... nothing to see here at the polls.... we are going to block your view anyway so you for sure can't see the votes being counted.... how easy is that? Many other actions took place that indicated something was afoul the rules of monitoring an accurate vote... but that is all hearsay... don't believe what your eyes are telling you when you see people rerunning ballots through vote counting machines after hours.

 

[Zerks]

luckily we have a stretch of water 21 miles wide its called the English Channel, we only get a trickle maybe 20,000 a year sailing in unsafe dinghies. Just so glad the ice age retreated 15,000 years ago when UK was merged with European mainland.

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Yes... a big body of water makes an excellent buffer... a big wall can slow some of the people down too.

The plan is working... keep destabilizing America in all the ways we see going on right now. A country without borders isn't really a country anymore just like your house isn't your private residence anymore when all the windows and doors are removed and you and your family take a month long vacation. What do you think you would find when you get home?

 

[Bumblebee]

Yes... a big body of water makes an excellent buffer... a big wall can slow some of the people down too.

The plan is working... keep destabilizing America in all the ways we see going on right now. A country without borders isn't really a country anymore just like your house isn't your private residence anymore when all the windows and doors are removed and you and your family take a month long vacation. What do you think you would find when you get home?

What I don't get is how a thread about Russia invading Ukraine has become the USA presidential election/down fall of America?

Go start your own thread....

 

[Zerks]

What I don't get is how a thread about Russia invading Ukraine has become the USA presidential election/down fall of America?

Go start your own thread....

It is the chain of events that took us to this point in life...

Putin didn't invade anywhere or any place when Trump was in office... but... I guess that is irrelevant now. It is my belief everything is connected on this planet... the illusion is separateness... but... you probably have a hard time accepting that because of how you see the world in general.

If Trump was president do you think the border crisis would be what it is now?
Do you think the changes in energy production and management would be what they are now?
Do you think the inflation would be a rampant as it is now under Biden that on top of that...wants to cram another 5.6 trillion dollar budget through?

If you were to answer those questions honestly then we could dig a little deeper into how we got here to begin with.

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Do you think our military would be under the this level of influence called "Woke-ism" like it is now?

So, when you tell me to start another thread... well... I have started several... but, only a few here will voice an opinion regarding those subjects... Perhaps it is too much to consider... perhaps not...

 

[Bumblebee]

It is the chain of events that took us to this point in life...

Putin didn't invade anywhere or any place when Trump was in office... but... I guess that is irrelevant now. It is my belief everything is connected on this planet... the illusion is separateness... but... you probably have a hard time accepting that because of how you see the world in general.

If Trump was president do you think the border crisis would be what it is now?
Do you think the changes in energy production and management would be what they are now?
Do you think the inflation would be a rampant as it is now under Biden that on top of that...wants to cram another 5.6 trillion dollar budget through?

If you were to answer those questions honestly then we could dig a little deeper into how we got here to begin with.

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Do you think our military would be under the this level of influence called "Woke-ism" like it is now?

So, when you tell me to start another thread... well... I have started several... but, only a few here will voice an opinion regarding those subjects... Perhaps it is too much to consider... perhaps not...

The subject you are dwelling on is always the same rhetoric....

The point you made of it being irrelevant is a very valid point...what COULD have been is just that "could" there is no justifiable evidence that it would have been any better or any different than it is now.

Face the fact, your county has been under Biden now for a while and will be until his term is completed,

 

[fallenarch]

It amazes me how you can "see" so much and then draw such a silly conclusion. Putin always planned to go into Ukraine and Trump was going to let him. Then Trump lost and Putin had to decide if he should invade anyway. Putin listened to the Propaganda coming out of the right and figured Biden was an old man and a nonissue. Oops. Biden has out propaganda(ed?) Putin by announcing his every move to the world. And of course, Biden pulled the world together in record time and has been getting Ukraine tons of weapons - enough to smack Putin on the nose and brush him back. You know, the world Trump flipped off a couple of years ago? It's Ukraine, the same place Trump withheld weapons from while they were fighting the Russians unless they helped his losing campaign?

 

[Bumblebee]

It amazes me how you can "see" so much and then draw such a silly conclusion. Putin always planned to go into Ukraine and Trump was going to let him. Then Trump lost and Putin had to decide if he should invade anyway. Putin listened to the Propaganda coming out of the right and figured Biden was an old man and a nonissue. Oops. Biden has out propaganda(ed?) Putin by announcing his every move to the world. And of course, Biden pulled the world together in record time and has been getting Ukraine tons of weapons - enough to smack Putin on the nose and brush him back. You know, the world Trump flipped off a couple of years ago? It's Ukraine, the same place Trump withheld weapons from while they were fighting the Russians unless they helped his losing campaign?

I think Putin was waiting to invade to see if Trump got back in or not so he wouldn't hurt his bid for re-election....that's what buddy's do for each other....

Once his buddy didn't get in, all bets were off and he planned his invasion (even though I use the word planning very loosely as a 1st year officer cadet could have planned better).

 

[fallenarch]

I think Putin was waiting to invade to see if Trump got back in or not so he wouldn't hurt his bid for re-election....that's what buddy's do for each other....

Once his buddy didn't get in, all bets were off and he planned his invasion (even though I use the word planning very loosely as a 1st year officer cadet could have planned better).

I always laugh at people who say Putin wouldn't have done this if Trump was in when he did do it while Trump was in office. This war is years old, it didn't just start a month ago. We already know what Trump would do - nothing.

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

I always laugh at people who say Putin wouldn't have done this if Trump was in when he did do it while Trump was in office. This war is years old, it didn't just start a month ago. We already know what Trump would do - nothing.

Less than nothing, $400,000,000 less.

 

[TallTom]

I think Putin was waiting to invade to see if Trump got back in or not so he wouldn't hurt his bid for re-election....that's what buddy's do for each other....

Once his buddy didn't get in, all bets were off and he planned his invasion (even though I use the word planning very loosely as a 1st year officer cadet could have planned better).

Go back again to the party that told Ukraine in 1994 that if they gave up Nukes they would be protected from Russian aggression. I'll give you a hint, it's the same party that let Russia violate that agreement in 2014.

In 2012 Obama stated Putin posed no threat. In 2014 Putin walked into Crimea and claimed it. Not a shot was fired. Trump wasn't around then. Not even on the political radar screen. Boy did Obama make him pay for that (heavy sarcasm here).

In 2012, Obama stated that the line in the sand in Syria was the use of chemical weapons. Putin helped Assad cross that line. Review what happened there.

Besides losing credibility as a threat to Putin.

And now Putin has named the same general to lead this new campaign from the East. Gosh Putin sure seems scared of Biden. Is it lost on anyone that Zalinski has welcomed the American press into his country and his bunker, the PM of England, the Austrian Chancellor in and did photo ops with them. And not Biden? Even after Biden said he'd like to come in person.

So there's those facts you can decide to overlook if you desire. Now you are proposing that Putin just chose to NOT invade to be buddy buddy with Trump. To accomplish what again? To get Trump re-elected?

You might want to see how well the Russian economy was doing due to Trump getting oil down into the 40s. That is the very lifeblood of Putin's economy. Which tanked. Due to his buddy Trump. I don't know about you, but dang I wouldn't have wanted another 4 years of that friendship.

And now we watch the DOJ decide an investigation into Hunter Biden is in fact not only warranted, but specifically are expanding it past his tax problems to now looking at his time spent in Ukraine. The very same thing they tried to impeach Trump for trying to get done.

My take is, Biden will lay waste to Ukraine to distract us from that. I suspect Putin is smart enough to know that. Ukraine will get effed over by the U.S. Again! I hate to say it. But I think Zalinski is also smart enough to know that too.

 

[fallenarch]

Ukraine made the decision to denuclearize completely. They did this mainly because the cost of maintaining and protecting the huge volume of nukes it inherited from the dissolution of the USSR would have bankrupted the country. All this for weapons they couldn't ever use. In exchange, it would get a security guarantee from the U.S., the U.K., and Russia, known as the Budapest Memorandum.

Note that the protection guarantee was against any country other than the US, UK, or Russia and did not anticipate the aggressor being one of the three who signed to guarantee Ukraine's safety. So when I hear people say we talked Ukraine out of their weapons, that is simply not the case. For protection against Russia, Ukraine turned to NATO. The US was for letting them in but several European countries said no way because NATO secrets in Ukraine's hands was like handing the information directly to Russia.

 

[Zerks]

The subject you are dwelling on is always the same rhetoric....

The point you made of it being irrelevant is a very valid point...what COULD have been is just that "could" there is no justifiable evidence that it would have been any better or any different than it is now.

Face the fact, your county has been under Biden now for a while and will be until his term is completed,

I noticed you didn't answer any of the questions I posed. That so called rhetoric is crucial to our countries strength and stability. The border, energy, inflation are all going the wrong way and you won't even address it. Tell me... is your border seeing the numbers our border is?

The wall would have been completed by now and it would have slowed the numbers considerably. On top of that what By-Dun is doing is illegal by broadcasting to the world that we don't enforce our immigration laws anymore. How do we know? We are getting people from all over the world entering our country illegally. Its not just Mexico and Central America people coming here illegally. A portion of these people are coyotes and drug traffickers that are doing the bidding of the Cartels as enforcement for the coyote business on the American side of the border. Those new illegals have to pay the cartels for the human trafficking or people they are related too could die in their home country. They give these people that were brought here illegally cell phones so they can track them... I don't know which AP is their favorite but I am sure Life 360 does a fine job of tracking all the illegals.

Trump never would have done such a reckless and willfully unlawful action. This administration is ignoring the problems with illegal immigration other than to ship people all over the country and let somebody else deal with it. If it was happening in Canada what would your country do with those people?

By Dun isn't running anything... he is just a puppet getting handled by Obama and other communist that want to see even more radical change in America.... By Dun is unfit for office and his wife should be charged with elder abuse... he has only made about 135 trips back to Delaware since he was installed.

Its likely By Dun won't make it to the next election... Lets see if the DOJ gets some traction where real fraud and political graft took place when By Dun was the VP. The "Big Guy" is Joe... and Joe has a history of getting paid for things that have nothing to do with foreign policy.

Just look at the polling number for By Dun... the guy is losing... why? Because he is a loser... losers lie cheat, and steal, and attempt to rape women... Just ask Juanita Broadwick... Joe hit her up one day at work... other women have also mentioned he bad sexual behavior... but, I guess you approve because he doesn't send out mean tweets.