Russia and Ukraine

[Zerks]

I always laugh at people who say Putin wouldn't have done this if Trump was in when he did do it while Trump was in office. This war is years old, it didn't just start a month ago. We already know what Trump would do - nothing.

What a bunch of BS... did you get that from CNN or CNBC?

 

[Zerks]

I think Putin was waiting to invade to see if Trump got back in or not so he wouldn't hurt his bid for re-election....that's what buddy's do for each other....

Once his buddy didn't get in, all bets were off and he planned his invasion (even though I use the word planning very loosely as a 1st year officer cadet could have planned better).

Spiking the kool aid tonight?

 

[Kiwi Rider]

Anyone here that wants to see what is actually going on in the DPR is welcome to watch this guy Patrick Lancaster's youtube channel, an American independent journalist that is living over there and reporting with video clips interviewing locals and documenting the day to day action.
@Bumblebee . . . WARning, graphic footage of a war zone so try not to get too excited ok?

below is the Tochka U that Zelensky's henchmen fired into a civilian village.

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

“Henchmen”?

 

[fallenarch]

What a bunch of BS... did you get that from CNN or CNBC?

Shooting the messenger? Now that's an intelligent response. Essentially the war between Russia and Ukraine started (the shooting anyway) in 2014 or so (don't recall the exact date). That's called history, CNN and CNBC have nothing to do with it.

 

[Bumblebee]

I noticed you didn't answer any of the questions I posed. That so called rhetoric is crucial to our countries strength and stability. The border, energy, inflation are all going the wrong way and you won't even address it. Tell me... is your border seeing the numbers our border is?

The wall would have been completed by now and it would have slowed the numbers considerably. On top of that what By-Dun is doing is illegal by broadcasting to the world that we don't enforce our immigration laws anymore. How do we know? We are getting people from all over the world entering our country illegally. Its not just Mexico and Central America people coming here illegally. A portion of these people are coyotes and drug traffickers that are doing the bidding of the Cartels as enforcement for the coyote business on the American side of the border. Those new illegals have to pay the cartels for the human trafficking or people they are related too could die in their home country. They give these people that were brought here illegally cell phones so they can track them... I don't know which AP is their favorite but I am sure Life 360 does a fine job of tracking all the illegals.

Trump never would have done such a reckless and willfully unlawful action. This administration is ignoring the problems with illegal immigration other than to ship people all over the country and let somebody else deal with it. If it was happening in Canada what would your country do with those people?

By Dun isn't running anything... he is just a puppet getting handled by Obama and other communist that want to see even more radical change in America.... By Dun is unfit for office and his wife should be charged with elder abuse... he has only made about 135 trips back to Delaware since he was installed.

Its likely By Dun won't make it to the next election... Lets see if the DOJ gets some traction where real fraud and political graft took place when By Dun was the VP. The "Big Guy" is Joe... and Joe has a history of getting paid for things that have nothing to do with foreign policy.

Just look at the polling number for By Dun... the guy is losing... why? Because he is a loser... losers lie cheat, and steal, and attempt to rape women... Just ask Juanita Broadwick... Joe hit her up one day at work... other women have also mentioned he bad sexual behavior... but, I guess you approve because he doesn't send out mean tweets.

To answer these questions would continue to push your agenda and further de-rail this thread..

Go start your own thread and pose these questions and then you will attract lots of answers.

 

[Red05]

Many reasons to consider the election was rigged. #1 would be that president Trump was winning in those 6 states prior to the early hours after the polls closed. The next morning all 6 states in question had flipped to Biden... nothing to see here at the polls.... we are going to block your view anyway so you for sure can't see the votes being counted.... how easy is that? Many other actions took place that indicated something was afoul the rules of monitoring an accurate vote... but that is all hearsay... don't believe what your eyes are telling you when you see people rerunning ballots through vote counting machines after hours.

Lol Zerks clearly you weren't listening early in the night when the broadcasters clearly said the numbers were deceiving because of the high percentage of Democratic mail in votes. You were pre-warned and yet still to this day that's your main argument.

 

[Zerks]

Lol Zerks clearly you weren't listening early in the night when the broadcasters clearly said the numbers were deceiving because of the high percentage of Democratic mail in votes. You were pre-warned and yet still to this day that's your main argument.

They were front running the scenario they wanted to install in the minds of millions of Americans just like they do with other calamities they want to soften the image of. They are doing it right now with the Hunter Biden laptop. Its nothing new... The Mockingbird media is a chorus of liars and decievers that take their messaging from the think tanks that are funding the media money pits. People are fed up with the MSM... millions of people have figured out the MSM cannot be trusted... and so it goes... some of media has their ratings and revenues in the red... in the tank... and losing money overall. I also want Chris Cuomo to succeed in his lawsuit against CNN for breach of contract... is it 9 million? I forget.

Example... ( link below ) I still haven't heard what the out of court settlement amount was for Sandman with NBC, CNN and The Washington Post. The lawsuit total was for 275 million dollars. Other parties that Sandman is suing are still pending at this time. These are the kind of things that happen when we have a MSM bent on destroying, attacking, and slandering a sitting president. Which political party does ABC, NBC, CBS,CNN, CNBC, and FOX at times as well as others work for anyway?

So... laugh all you like... the joke inside the media is continually perpetrated on people all over the world. What happened to Project Veritas? What happened to Epstien, and why did it happen? Did you like it when Ricky Gervais told the Hollywood elite at the awards event in recent years? he clearly said... your all a bunch of perverts as well as other not so flattering comments. These perverts connect politically all the time with messaging designed to attack, destroy and obliterate whomever it is that threatens them. Snoop Dog doing a mock shooting of Trump... If a celebrity were try that clown act with Biden... lol!

Yes... I way off the road where you attempt to reinstall the guard rails... so what? Don't read it if you don't like it.

MSN

 

[jellyrug]

I always laugh at people who say Putin wouldn't have done this if Trump was in when he did do it while Trump was in office. This war is years old, it didn't just start a month ago. We already know what Trump would do - nothing.

With all the terrible things Trump did, you got so blinded by those actions that you totally lost contact with reality. He had some good policies, and you may think he was Putin’s buddy, but in fact he was a lot tougher on Putin than Biden. He was totally against the gas pipeline to Germany. He was intent to make the US energy independent as well as a major exporter. Crimea was a very different scenario to the current situation. You need to understand what happened in 2014, and the support within Crimea for Russia and Yanukovich.

You were taunting all Biden’s excuses for not encouraging oil and gas exploration. The “Green” excuse.

So what happens next? We get the best possible example of reactive leadership rather than proactive. See below.

Biden administration to resume leasing for oil and gas drilling on federal lands

The move comes as President Joe Biden seeks new ways to help lower gas prices.

www.cnbc.com

 

[fallenarch]

Well @jellyrug , I have a difficult time getting past Trump being an anti-American, self-proclaimed racist who wanted to turn the clock back to the 50s. But then maybe there is a reason you don't see this as a disqualifying factor?

 

[Zerks]

Self proclaimed racist? Maybe self proclaimed Jim Acosta racist even though he is white.

A president acts are what define him and Trump never said he was anti American that I ever heard of.
What was that "Make America Great" slogan about? Did you read it wrong? Didn't he give the military a raise? Didin't he increase defense spending so America could show more military strength after the decline during Obama's 2 terms?

President Trump is a builder with properties all over the place. It cost him a lot of money just to be president and not be focused on his real estate holdings. Add to that the guy spent a lot of hours working according to those that worked around him. Yes, he played golf too... so what? Your Barrack played plenty of golf to... even under covid when the courses were supposed to be closed.

CNN made a lot of money following Trumps activities... their ratings have since plummeted. Following Joe around when he will hardly ever talk to reporters is normal for Joe. His handlers don't want him talking off the cuff anyway.

Look at Biden... 135+ trips to Delaware since being installed. Can't read a teleprompter at times... hardly knows where he is at at times... Barrack coaches him and ignores him at other times in public. Tell me the 1st year of Biden was better than the 1st three of President Trump if you like.

What was wrong with the 50s? You didn't like the boomer generation? You didn't like single wage earner families where the mother could stay home and raise the kids while dad made enough money to support the family? Looking back at history do you approve of LBJ's Great Society program where black single family parenting got a big boost?

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

 

[fallenarch]

Must you be so stupid? Donald Trump led an insurrection against the United States of America.

"A president acts are what define him and Trump never said he was anti American that I ever heard of.
What was that "Make America Great" slogan about? Did you read it wrong? Didn't he give the military a raise? Didin't he increase defense spending so America could show more military strength after the decline during Obama's 2 terms?"

You are one seriously delusional dude. It's amazing how you see all these crazy links in events but can't see the most obvious realities.

 

[jellyrug]

Well @jellyrug , I have a difficult time getting past Trump being an anti-American, self-proclaimed racist who wanted to turn the clock back to the 50s. But then maybe there is a reason you don't see this as a disqualifying factor?

I’m a man, not a woman. Women are emotional, men are practical.

To explain that a bit better, practical means not disqualifying good policies implemented by a bad person.

I can post three factual examples two from Trump and one from Biden, why the Ukraine invasion would have been unlikely to happen under Trump.

We all have our weaknesses, mine is not having the patience to deal with stupid people.

So post on brother, I am done with this thread.

Should have learnt my lesson when it was still about ceramic bearings.

Watching your new captain sail the ship into the rocks with your approval, simply because the previous captain was a bad pirate, is about as stupid as it gets.

 

[michael parris heuberger]

I always laugh at people who say Putin wouldn't have done this if Trump was in when he did do it while Trump was in office. This war is years old, it didn't just start a month ago. We already know what Trump would do - nothing.

Hi. No one can know what Trump would have done or know what he would have done if Putin did invade. I think Biden is doing good helping, but what will it lead to? I am sure that we do not know what is really going on, just what they want us to know.

 

[fallenarch]

I’m a man, not a woman. Women are emotional, men are practical.

To explain that a bit better, practical means not disqualifying good policies implemented by a bad person.

I can post three factual examples two from Trump and one from Biden, why the Ukraine invasion would have been unlikely to happen under Trump.

We all have our weaknesses, mine is not having the patience to deal with stupid people.

So post on brother, I am done with this thread.

Should have learnt my lesson when it was still about ceramic bearings.

Watching your new captain sail the ship into the rocks with your approval, simply because the previous captain was a bad pirate, is about as stupid as it gets.

Funny how you took that opportunity to insult women too, says a lot about you and what you really think. I think republicans are generally narcissistic and short-sighted. They think what's good for them is the only valid perspective. Look at policies since Reagan, and you will see a fundamentally WS (wealth supremacy, and white supremacy too now that I think of it) perspective. This has not been particularly successful, look at the numbers and republicans run high debt and don't outperform Democrats on most economic measures that benefit most Americans. The facts show that post-Ensenhower republicans govern like CEOs trying to keep the stock prices up while the company goes into the toilet.

Democrats make the tough decisions. They built the world environment that made the US the most powerful country in history. All republicans have done is make the top 10% richer than many countries. Normally, people who govern like republicans would be facing a revolution and the gallows. But by playing the race card, republicans have convinced millions of white people they aren't poor as dirt and it's all black people's fault.

 

[Bumblebee]

Wow, is this thread ever straying farther and farther off course....

This is an "In the news" thread which is not in the politics section...

I realize it was a bit of politics which created the situation in Ukraine but it was Russian and Ukrainian politics

 

[Bumblebee]

One would think both the Russian citizens and military would be having enough of this by now..

tis was a huge blow to the Russian war machine...what's a warship cost these days compared to a couple of missiles..??

MSN

 

[jellyrug]

Wow, is this thread ever straying farther and farther off course....

This is an "In the news" thread which is not in the politics section...

I realize it was a bit of politics which created the situation in Ukraine but it was Russian and Ukrainian politics

I thought this was about Ukraine? So I will ignore Arch from here, but try to explain.

If Russia can no longer sell oil or gas to the world, today, they would have no choice other than pull out of Ukraine in around a month or so. That probably will be the end of Putin. Anyone who does not get this has no concept of the world economy and what makes Russia survive current sanctions.

Trump publicly and in several meetings opposed the Russia Nord Stream gas pipeline to Germany. He did that very strongly with NATO in several meetings. He tried to encourage Europe not to abandon Nuclear energy. He tried to encourage the US to supply energy to Europe. He tried to sell, tried to influence.

Trump signed a law, imposing sanctions on any firm, helping Russia's state owned gas company finish a pipeline into the European Union.

Trump asked NATO several times, how they can expect the US to defend Germany against Russia our adversary, if they are dependant on Russian energy and how on earth NATO could allow that.

Along came Biden May 20th 2021 he waives sanctions on the Nord Stream pipeline and Gazprom the Russian state owned gas company. He actually goes one further and lifts sanctions on the executive, an ally of Russia's Vladimir Putin, who leads the firm behind the Nord Stream 2 project.
All critics agree that the pipeline is a major geopolitical prize for the Kremlin.

So Bee, how does this stray off the point of what is happening today in Ukraine?

The fact that Trump was a jerk and that he did some pretty bad things, does not discount any of the above. That is the topic that some want to discuss here, however it is irrelevant.

You will also notice that I do not get involved in Black or White discussions here on the board. Some folks who are real racist here, have the misconception that if you have a certain skin pigmentation you cannot be a racist.

 

[Zerks]

Must you be so stupid? Donald Trump led an insurrection against the United States of America.

"A president acts are what define him and Trump never said he was anti American that I ever heard of.
What was that "Make America Great" slogan about? Did you read it wrong? Didn't he give the military a raise? Didin't he increase defense spending so America could show more military strength after the decline during Obama's 2 terms?"

You are one seriously delusional dude. It's amazing how you see all these crazy links in events but can't see the most obvious realities.

Even though some of you think this is off topic... keep in mind everything is connected. Policies and mistakes affect everybody either directly or indirectly.

Trump signed an order to have 20,000 national guards in DC on Jan 6th. This was Nancy's place to also sign and make sure the US Capitol was protected. You must have forgotten the MSM is in the tank for the leftist radical arm of the Democratic Party? Simply notice at the way Nancy tore up the State of the Union speech the night president Trump delivered it.... This shows us all the contempt the leftist in the democrat party has for the former president and this was well before anything at the US Capitol went down. Next you will tell us something else that is ridiculous... The delusional ones are the people that have developed a high level of hate for America.

Have you forgotten everyone is responsible for what they do? Whomever acted out at the US Capitol that day did so on their own recognizance. If someone tells you to break the law are you going to do it?

President Trump upset the Democrat apple cart in 2016 when he won the election and ever since then the leftist have fabricated and contrived everything they can to destroy the former President. They are still attacking him because he threatens the power structure that is doing its best to destroy this country through all kinds of illegal acts.... and that makes people like you "delusional".

If people start rioting in the streets... who is responsible? The summer of 2020 showed us who the people are that will destroy property including police stations, kill, and injure people as well as police that are on the job. This is how far down the sewer pipe of life people will go while knowing they have the support of the leftist in the Democratic Party. The governors and mayors refused national guard support that was offered by president Trump a number of times.... tell me... was the 2+ billion in property damage and senseless killings not worthy of bringing in the National Guard to restore order?

Almost forgot... the side you support wants to limit free speech. The leftist MSM has already admitted it is charge of telling everyone how and what to think.

Here is your peaceful demonstration that the leftist support.