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I did, but my laptop kept flashing "DANGER TO MANIFOLD" while I was doing burnouts up and down the street in the rain.
Since 1999 A Busa codes to c31 6Fixed
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2Busa, go read pages: 4-8 &4-9, as well as 7-20 of the "abstract." Now, I'll tell you what it reads basically. 4-8&9 says the GPS is not a function of the ECM in the manner in which you refer to it as. 7-20 shows the GPS, as it travels to the different sets of resistance selecting different advance (spark, timing) values for each gear. So, if you yank the GPS out, and the C31 is set by doing so, you are altering not fuel, but, ignition timing. If you leave the GPS in, feed the ECM the same value as another gear, then the ECM will see it as the aforementioned value and think its in the same gear as the value represents.
I will agree, if you pull the wire, one or all, from the GPS, or modify it in such a way the values are outside the accepted range, then the default in the ECM will be triggered, that being C31, and 6th gear "tuning" outputs will be locked from the ECM to the injectors, and coils (since thats the only thing the ECM outputs).
However, the rest of your "theories" are flawed. IT IS ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE, AND ITS BEEN DONE...to alter the GPS so that you can eliminate the ECM from seeing 6th Gear (which is where the logic lies for the lower rpm limit/speed limit). If the ECM doesn't get a reported value of 6th gear, then it cannot impose the restrictions. It truely is as simple as that.
I will agree, if you pull the wire, one or all, from the GPS, or modify it in such a way the values are outside the accepted range, then the default in the ECM will be triggered, that being C31, and 6th gear "tuning" outputs will be locked from the ECM to the injectors, and coils (since thats the only thing the ECM outputs).
However, the rest of your "theories" are flawed. IT IS ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE, AND ITS BEEN DONE...to alter the GPS so that you can eliminate the ECM from seeing 6th Gear (which is where the logic lies for the lower rpm limit/speed limit). If the ECM doesn't get a reported value of 6th gear, then it cannot impose the restrictions. It truely is as simple as that.
Says Cougar, "If you have no physical proof how it works, do not make assumptions, or deductions, based on what you think you read." Coug, Watch me hold that $40 worth of bandwidth you'll need when the pages fill, ASKING THE SAME LAME QUESTION OVER AND OVER AGAIN! I will show you proof if one person; that is all I need to confirm the theory you are all hung up on... The $40 question is, and this is going to lock it home, (in the ABSOLUTE)... You can plot all your 6 analog numbers up the crack of your a-ss and sit on it until some member, ANY MEMBER; THAT MODIFIED, ADDED A TRE, G-MOD, CLUTCH/MOD GPS/MOD ANY/MOD(I left out mod).......... YES OR NO! DO YOU "STILLL" SEE THE 6FX'D IN YOUR DASH.... YES OR NO?............................................This IS, The $40 Physical TRUTH........ Answer the question so the truth be told.
Now to slam dunk the, CAT (waiting for a yes or no)... You guys do know this is a kick for me. Page 3? Keep bringing the way you think the bike works and I'll bring the absolute to the table... excuse me, the book I meant.
Answer the question - Answer the question - Answer____ Please.
Heavy, looks like you carry some grease around here with 10k posts and counting. How about squeezing a little juice and invite the tre manufacturers to the conversation. I believe I can, 'walk the walk' in the world I look through. Things will be explained perfectly clear. More clear than my interpretation, I'm sure.
Now to slam dunk the, CAT (waiting for a yes or no)... You guys do know this is a kick for me. Page 3? Keep bringing the way you think the bike works and I'll bring the absolute to the table... excuse me, the book I meant.
Answer the question - Answer the question - Answer____ Please.
Heavy, looks like you carry some grease around here with 10k posts and counting. How about squeezing a little juice and invite the tre manufacturers to the conversation. I believe I can, 'walk the walk' in the world I look through. Things will be explained perfectly clear. More clear than my interpretation, I'm sure.
CAT says, "So, if you yank the GPS out, and the C31 is set by doing so, you are altering not fuel, but, ignition timing. If you leave the GPS in, feed the ECM the same value as another gear, then the ECM will see it as the aforementioned value and think its in the same gear as the value represents."
I want to know how the 5th map in stock trim has such a richer mixture if you (think you can) alter back to 5th "analog"... GET IT! 6Fx is showing on the dash, 6fx is in lock-down feeding you the (Fuel/Timing) you need to exceed the 186 just in case the sensor happens to fail as if you were WOT at 186 for a few seconds or two. Work your theory back to question the, GPS analog vs. the digital in the ECM.
Are you sure you NOW want the call on the analog 5th or the f-safe 6Fx? Do you now see the 190/400/6 is the code set. You feel 6Fx.
I believe, when the 13.5's were (first) in the hands of the British rags, they disconnected the GPS sensor to exceed the limit.
I want to know how the 5th map in stock trim has such a richer mixture if you (think you can) alter back to 5th "analog"... GET IT! 6Fx is showing on the dash, 6fx is in lock-down feeding you the (Fuel/Timing) you need to exceed the 186 just in case the sensor happens to fail as if you were WOT at 186 for a few seconds or two. Work your theory back to question the, GPS analog vs. the digital in the ECM.
Are you sure you NOW want the call on the analog 5th or the f-safe 6Fx? Do you now see the 190/400/6 is the code set. You feel 6Fx.
I believe, when the 13.5's were (first) in the hands of the British rags, they disconnected the GPS sensor to exceed the limit.
Cougar states: "Knowing how it works on one manufacturer is not knowing how it work on a different manufacturer."
I will now, (repeat again) incorporate the computer to the 3 variables, (ful/spk/comp). I believe the 4th variable (ECM/EFI~ 6Fx'd-Buas and ECU/DFI~(6)Locked-13.5) varies as 'absolute' as the 3 variables to make an internal combustion run, (from one manufacturer to the other), atmospherically speaking.
I (not me, but the books), will pull your theories up from the roots, so the room may view how your theory holds no foundation against the, THE FACTS BETWEEN BOTH BOOKS.
Both books, 'checkmate' your statement, Coug).
I will now, (repeat again) incorporate the computer to the 3 variables, (ful/spk/comp). I believe the 4th variable (ECM/EFI~ 6Fx'd-Buas and ECU/DFI~(6)Locked-13.5) varies as 'absolute' as the 3 variables to make an internal combustion run, (from one manufacturer to the other), atmospherically speaking.
I (not me, but the books), will pull your theories up from the roots, so the room may view how your theory holds no foundation against the, THE FACTS BETWEEN BOTH BOOKS.
Both books, 'checkmate' your statement, Coug).
HeavyB, What part of the tre would you like to discuss?...(heavybusa @ Jan. 29 2007,19:14) Can we discuss what a TRE is
tre = Truth (be told, it) Relies (on the) Ecu (to trigger the 6FX).
tre = Telephones (the) Resistance ( to call the) Ecu (into action to bump the 6).
tre = Triggering (mechanism) Requires (the assistance of the) Ecu (to flip the switch booting the 6).
tre = Temporarily Resigns (the) Ecu (from running in the analog, 1-6, thus boots to the, 'universally planned through (absolute) engineering = 6Fx'd/(6)Locked).
tre = (Any) Timing Retard (going on are controlled by the) Ecu's (digital 6Fx'd).
I am troubleshooting; how to restore the gear shift code, 'chek 6 only' dash display.
2Busa took some amphetimines and is obvioulsy straight up trippin!
Look guy, there is no f-safe/6thfxd or anything else on my dash.
Where is your slam dunk on me? Maybe if I were able to comprehend wtf your typing, we (you and I) could have a conversation. With the current inability to decipher your text, I'm going to register your lack of intellectual responses as an admission of defeat
Now you may ask yourself, WTF? And the answer is, you said "now to slam dunk the CAT" and went no where with it. Page 3 merely explains how to use the manual, which I've obviously demonstrated the ability to do, by posting the page numbers to rebutt your theoretical claims. You send that $40 you owe me to the .Org in the form of a donation in Coug, and my names. Thanks. Since you offered, time to man up and not let your fingers write checks your ass can't cash! Nothing in my dash, not visible by riders eye or dealer scan...will be waiting for confirmation of that donation too!
Look guy, there is no f-safe/6thfxd or anything else on my dash.
Where is your slam dunk on me? Maybe if I were able to comprehend wtf your typing, we (you and I) could have a conversation. With the current inability to decipher your text, I'm going to register your lack of intellectual responses as an admission of defeat
I never said 5th gear was richer did I? So don't put words into my posts buddy, aight.
6fx is NOT SHOWING ON MY DASH. Apparently you never watched any of the on bike video's I've done, where the dash is also displayed for viewing pleasure.
The question is not ECM Analog or digital, etc.. You missed the question so many times you need to start over. Back to school for you 2busa...run along now.
And yep, I'm positive I want the ECM to think its in 5th gear when I am really in 6th. If it knew the Busa was in 6th, then it would limit me to <186mph, 10,200 rpms. However, when it thinks we're flying along in 5th, then it CANNOT IMPOSE THE RESTRICTIONS IT WAS PROGRAMMED WITH FOR SIXTH (6TH) GEAR! Obviously not into proving a point are you? Didn't think so. You dont even know where the programming is for the restrictions. And I bet you thought the GPS was tied into the ECM's fueling side, not ignition! Silly wabbit.
This is a sample of your "proof" "fact" and "absolute" . I believe, when the 13.5's were (first) in the hands of the British rags, they disconnected the GPS sensor to exceed the limit.
You believe.. WhoTF are you to believe and call something proof, or whatnot? Nobody.
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Will now, (different repetition time) I contain the computer in the 3 variables, (ful/spk/comp). I cause the variable 4ta (ECM/efi~ varies 6Fx ' d-Buas and écu/dfi~ (6)Locked-13.5) like ' absolute ' the 3 variables, to form a function procedure combustion, (on the basis of a manufacturer with the other), atmospheric in the word.[/Quote]
Funny how when translated from English to German, German to French, then French to English, it sounds exactly the same.
In the pure fundamental, yes it is a 4th variable to the concept of an internal combustion engine, where you need fuel, fire, and compression. Take the cams, from a busa and install them in a 13.5, will it run? Probably not, at least not as a direct bolt on. When you look at the overview, they are similar. For instance, it's like comparing an apple to an orange and saying they are the same. Yes, they're both fruit (and both share characteristics of a fruit), but they're completely different in every other aspect.
The ECU of the 13.5 doesn't work the same as the busa's ECU. In basic fundamentals (controlling fuel, ignition, etc), they are similar, but as far as the internal logic of how it controls everything is different.
In a simple yes or no answer (no explanation), will unplugging the GPS provide the C31 code?
In a simple yes or no answer (no explanation), does the C31 have a rev limiter of 10,600?
In a simple yes or no answer (no explanation), if the ECU sees 6.79K ohms of resistance on the red/pink wire, is the rev limiter at 10,600?
When I run my bike on the dyno with the GPS unplugged, when will it hit the rev limiter?
When I run my bike on the dyno with the GPS hooked up and the ECU seeing 6.79K Ohms, what will the rev limiter be?
When I run my bike on the dyno with the GPS hooked up and the ECU seeing 4.38v, what will the rev limiter be?
I don't want explanations from the FSM, I want simple straight forward answers, and be VERY clear with answers such as "10,600 RPM" or "10,200 RPM". I don't want anything but that.
I have yet to fully understand ANY of your posts, so I want straight forward answers that are very clear. I want to know what you think will be produced so when I run my bike on the dyno I can either say, "You were correct" or "You were incorrect". With your current ramblings, I have no idea where you stand.
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I will show you proof if one person; that is all I need to confirm the theory you are all hung up on...[/Quote]Wait, so you have absolutely no proof?
CAT says, "I never said 5th gear was richer did I? So don't put words into my posts buddy, aight."
Correct, CAT, you did not have a syllable laid on your 'typing' tongue. The posts I've read here (.org) (notice a complaint in mileage drop) are about the 6Fx triggering; when you short the delicate values reading thru 3 wires, excuse me, when you install an aftmkt unit using one of the one wires, or shish-ca-bobbing the GPS.
I need to see the vid of any kind of GPS mods, how the person explains the theory, and for sure, the response of any 3 changes in the bike, (isn't that what you're chasing?). Meaning, did the mod change the total performance even though you have a perfectly running shift window that clicks a visual 1-N-2-3-4-5-6 or the dash reads 1-N-2-3-4-5-5?
If you are telling me, CAT, you could choose 1 out of the 3 (190/400/f/timing), then I'd like to ask you... How did you:
1. Punch thru 186 w/out bringing 400 extra RPM in 5th, (for 6th too).
2. Punch thru 186 w/out the extra fuel trim from the analog 5th to plow past 190, (takes more gas, no? Need the advance too. Never know when you'll stop for a light and the advance kicks back to stock. Runs sweet now after the mod to 6fx...
Here are your words, CAT. Explaining to me, the effervessence of 5th ANALOG:
CAT says, "If you feed the ECM the same value gear, the ECM will see it in the same gear as the value represents'', (paraphrased for cleaner explanation I can decipher). Tell me you mimicked the aftmk with the mod, and I'll let you, CAT, 'slam dunk' your own mod to the 6Fx'd. It is the only door to achieve the, 190 plus and the extras, CAT. That is the design that absolutely comes with the mod to a GPS...
Good old, 6FX'D! I don't know why you cannot see the 6fx is the package. If the performance changed, pg. 7~20 says it all. c31 IS IN YOUR FACE BUT YOU REFUSE TO SEE THE OBVIOUS.
Correct, CAT, you did not have a syllable laid on your 'typing' tongue. The posts I've read here (.org) (notice a complaint in mileage drop) are about the 6Fx triggering; when you short the delicate values reading thru 3 wires, excuse me, when you install an aftmkt unit using one of the one wires, or shish-ca-bobbing the GPS.
I need to see the vid of any kind of GPS mods, how the person explains the theory, and for sure, the response of any 3 changes in the bike, (isn't that what you're chasing?). Meaning, did the mod change the total performance even though you have a perfectly running shift window that clicks a visual 1-N-2-3-4-5-6 or the dash reads 1-N-2-3-4-5-5?
If you are telling me, CAT, you could choose 1 out of the 3 (190/400/f/timing), then I'd like to ask you... How did you:
1. Punch thru 186 w/out bringing 400 extra RPM in 5th, (for 6th too).
2. Punch thru 186 w/out the extra fuel trim from the analog 5th to plow past 190, (takes more gas, no? Need the advance too. Never know when you'll stop for a light and the advance kicks back to stock. Runs sweet now after the mod to 6fx...
Here are your words, CAT. Explaining to me, the effervessence of 5th ANALOG:
CAT says, "If you feed the ECM the same value gear, the ECM will see it in the same gear as the value represents'', (paraphrased for cleaner explanation I can decipher). Tell me you mimicked the aftmk with the mod, and I'll let you, CAT, 'slam dunk' your own mod to the 6Fx'd. It is the only door to achieve the, 190 plus and the extras, CAT. That is the design that absolutely comes with the mod to a GPS...
Good old, 6FX'D! I don't know why you cannot see the 6fx is the package. If the performance changed, pg. 7~20 says it all. c31 IS IN YOUR FACE BUT YOU REFUSE TO SEE THE OBVIOUS.
Cougar, those are dyno questions, (I have zero research). The limiter must be incorporated with the GP sensor, since Don states he has achieved 190 plus, (being coded-6fx). No engine load, the rev is past 10.6k. Loaded, you will hit the limiter. Didn't the dyno point out a 10.2 limit? That's what I mean by researching your questions to give the correct answer.
7ys. of dyno time must have pointed out a pattern by now. Meaning, 10.2 stops in 6th, but the engine will rev up to 10.6 in 5th, is the standing theory?
How do you pull 10.6 in 6th? If Don pulled 190 plus in 6th and the tach was past 10.6 and Don says he uses the tre, (sees 6Fx)... the deduction would be, the limiter is disabled triggered by the 6fx'd, (GPS mod). That is the only mod (ECU wise), Don did to the bike. Correct, Don?
7ys. of dyno time must have pointed out a pattern by now. Meaning, 10.2 stops in 6th, but the engine will rev up to 10.6 in 5th, is the standing theory?
How do you pull 10.6 in 6th? If Don pulled 190 plus in 6th and the tach was past 10.6 and Don says he uses the tre, (sees 6Fx)... the deduction would be, the limiter is disabled triggered by the 6fx'd, (GPS mod). That is the only mod (ECU wise), Don did to the bike. Correct, Don?
Simple ecm programming basics....any gear will be richer once past peak hp and until the mechanical/ecm limit. Which would explain why in a 5th gear map the Busa could run richer, more load = more fuel. Bet you dont understand that either since I wont go make a video with a dry erase board.
Why bring into the arguement, if I could pick one thing? Has nothing to do with you having your head in your ass? I dont want to pick one parameter to change, I'd actually prefer to hook my laptop up and modify every parameter, except the idle tables, throttle cracker, etc... So stop yourself from thinking about going off-topic anymore.
Do you not understand what is said in the Service Manual about failsafes? They are pre-loaded maps that will are used when there is a failure of "X" sensor. Failsafes are not meant to run the bike in, but more a crutch to get it fixed. So find a video, dry erase board etc.. that shows how a limp home mode/failsafe etc. will perform such wonderful feats? Please dont make another one, find one from a credible source please.
I can't see the 6th fxd because I cant read in digital format hexidecimal coding! If I were a scanner of sorts, and the code was actually there, then I would. Shoulda coulda woulda fixes nothing for me. Show me how you, of all people, being so clueless to ECM's and lacking basic reading comprehension, can actually read codes in a bike....I'm dying to see this.
Why bring into the arguement, if I could pick one thing? Has nothing to do with you having your head in your ass? I dont want to pick one parameter to change, I'd actually prefer to hook my laptop up and modify every parameter, except the idle tables, throttle cracker, etc... So stop yourself from thinking about going off-topic anymore.
Do you not understand what is said in the Service Manual about failsafes? They are pre-loaded maps that will are used when there is a failure of "X" sensor. Failsafes are not meant to run the bike in, but more a crutch to get it fixed. So find a video, dry erase board etc.. that shows how a limp home mode/failsafe etc. will perform such wonderful feats? Please dont make another one, find one from a credible source please.
I can't see the 6th fxd because I cant read in digital format hexidecimal coding! If I were a scanner of sorts, and the code was actually there, then I would. Shoulda coulda woulda fixes nothing for me. Show me how you, of all people, being so clueless to ECM's and lacking basic reading comprehension, can actually read codes in a bike....I'm dying to see this.
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Okay, Don had a TRE installed, correct? Do you know, for a fact (as in pulled any trouble codes), beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the ECU was in 'fix to 6'? If you do, I want factual proof that it was in 'fix to 6'; otherwise, state that you have no proof and are only assuming that it was in 'fix to 6'.
How do you know a TRE calls 'fix to 6' if there is NO indication of a C31 trouble code?
Could his ECU have been fooled into thinking it was in 5th gear, thus allowing the bike to rev to 10,600?
You still didn't answer my straight forward questions. Are you afraid that you might be wrong?
Will unplugging my GPS throw a C31? Since the trouble code C31 is present, that should put the bike in 'fix to 6', correct? If 'fix to 6' has a rev limit of 10,600, then I should be able to hit 10,600 RPM in ANY gear, correct?
What if I hook up a 6.79K ohm resistor to ground on the red wire and sever the wire from the GPS, am I triggering 'fix to 6', or does the ECU read 6.79k ohms of resistance, thus choosing the ignition map for 5th gear?
CAT. How about answering a few yes or no questions please:
1. Y/N, My video shows the 6 locked in the shift window after the mod.
2. Y/N, The shift window shows 5th all the time in the window square.
3. Y/N, When I go through the gears the shift window shows a pattern; 1-N-2-3-4-5-5
4. Y/N, I felt a significant difference in performance after the mod.
5. Y/N, I felt no difference after the mod.
6. Y/N, I felt a difference and have all gears showing in the shift display.
Cut and past this to your replies. Place a (Y) or (N) in parentheses at the end of the sentence. If you want to define the question, c&p the line that describes what the bike's display window reads. TY
1. Y/N, My video shows the 6 locked in the shift window after the mod.
2. Y/N, The shift window shows 5th all the time in the window square.
3. Y/N, When I go through the gears the shift window shows a pattern; 1-N-2-3-4-5-5
4. Y/N, I felt a significant difference in performance after the mod.
5. Y/N, I felt no difference after the mod.
6. Y/N, I felt a difference and have all gears showing in the shift display.
Cut and past this to your replies. Place a (Y) or (N) in parentheses at the end of the sentence. If you want to define the question, c&p the line that describes what the bike's display window reads. TY
Cougar's quotes:
"Okay, Don had a TRE installed, correct? Do you know, for a fact (as in pulled any trouble codes), beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the ECU was in 'fix to 6'? If you do, I want factual proof that it was in 'fix to 6'; otherwise, state that you have no proof and are only assuming that it was in 'fix to 6'. Cougar, if Don pulled 190 plus on the dyno, then yes, the 6Fx'd was in play. If the window display reads a locked 6, consider c31 set and you have zero control of the limiter/fuel/adv-crv. The generic industry 6 is in Racing Mode.
"How do you know a TRE calls 'fix to 6' if there is NO indication of a C31 trouble code?" Well,if you look at the shift window stuck in 6Fx'd, open pg. 7~20, read the code. How did I figure out c31 is set? I simply deducted (my abstract mind you) the bike has more than one way of telling you the code is set on the computer bike. The hard code 6Fx in the dash is no different than a flashing FI in the main panel. Have you figured out the f-safe code c31 is the abstract of 6Fx locked dead in your face?
"Could his ECU have been fooled into thinking it was in 5th gear, thus allowing the bike to rev to 10,600?" There is no fooling the ECM. There is only tampering with the wiring of a sensor triggering it's own f-safe signal in the ECM to recalibrate the GPS in the digital, the rest of the sensors (not coded) continue to read in the analog.
"You still didn't answer my straight forward questions. Are you afraid that you might be wrong?" Your questions were in need of explanation. If you detail the question so the logic works in the absolute (your abstract), you can trip me up.
"Will unplugging my GPS throw a C31?' YES 'Since the trouble code C31 is present, that should put the bike in 'fix to 6', correct?' CORRECT If 'fix to 6' has a rev limit of 10,600, then I should be able to hit 10,600 RPM in ANY gear, correct?" Correct. You may now pin your shift points in the red or sustain in red (being physically in 6th gear) until the parts explode out of the engine cases.
"What if I hook up a 6.79K ohm resistor to ground on the red wire and sever the wire from the GPS, am I triggering 'fix to 6', or does the ECU read 6.79k ohms of resistance, thus choosing the ignition map for 5th gear?" Any time you witness 6Fx in the shift window, you are in c31, GO HAVE FUN!
Those were better stated questions, Cougar. Keep them coming.
PROFESSOR, (Y). Note: I have to go by memory (totaled the 13.5, & can't walk out to the bike). I believe the visual will always read 6 (where you see the "N" in the 13.5 photo) as the, "Warning Symbol" (you have a (c31Bus/c25Kaw) GPS problem = repair/replace).
That is why the new TRE/type(s) will address the GPS shift display for both bikes. Note that the 6Fx/(6) is triggered on both bikes.
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"Okay, Don had a TRE installed, correct? Do you know, for a fact (as in pulled any trouble codes), beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the ECU was in 'fix to 6'? If you do, I want factual proof that it was in 'fix to 6'; otherwise, state that you have no proof and are only assuming that it was in 'fix to 6'. Cougar, if Don pulled 190 plus on the dyno, then yes, the 6Fx'd was in play. If the window display reads a locked 6, consider c31 set and you have zero control of the limiter/fuel/adv-crv. The generic industry 6 is in Racing Mode.
"How do you know a TRE calls 'fix to 6' if there is NO indication of a C31 trouble code?" Well,if you look at the shift window stuck in 6Fx'd, open pg. 7~20, read the code. How did I figure out c31 is set? I simply deducted (my abstract mind you) the bike has more than one way of telling you the code is set on the computer bike. The hard code 6Fx in the dash is no different than a flashing FI in the main panel. Have you figured out the f-safe code c31 is the abstract of 6Fx locked dead in your face?
"Could his ECU have been fooled into thinking it was in 5th gear, thus allowing the bike to rev to 10,600?" There is no fooling the ECM. There is only tampering with the wiring of a sensor triggering it's own f-safe signal in the ECM to recalibrate the GPS in the digital, the rest of the sensors (not coded) continue to read in the analog.
"You still didn't answer my straight forward questions. Are you afraid that you might be wrong?" Your questions were in need of explanation. If you detail the question so the logic works in the absolute (your abstract), you can trip me up.
"Will unplugging my GPS throw a C31?' YES 'Since the trouble code C31 is present, that should put the bike in 'fix to 6', correct?' CORRECT If 'fix to 6' has a rev limit of 10,600, then I should be able to hit 10,600 RPM in ANY gear, correct?" Correct. You may now pin your shift points in the red or sustain in red (being physically in 6th gear) until the parts explode out of the engine cases.
"What if I hook up a 6.79K ohm resistor to ground on the red wire and sever the wire from the GPS, am I triggering 'fix to 6', or does the ECU read 6.79k ohms of resistance, thus choosing the ignition map for 5th gear?" Any time you witness 6Fx in the shift window, you are in c31, GO HAVE FUN!
Those were better stated questions, Cougar. Keep them coming.
PROFESSOR, (Y). Note: I have to go by memory (totaled the 13.5, & can't walk out to the bike). I believe the visual will always read 6 (where you see the "N" in the 13.5 photo) as the, "Warning Symbol" (you have a (c31Bus/c25Kaw) GPS problem = repair/replace).
That is why the new TRE/type(s) will address the GPS shift display for both bikes. Note that the 6Fx/(6) is triggered on both bikes.
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I'm confused, are you speaking in literal terms? Do you mean that our in-dash gear indicator shows the gear positions, but stops at gear 5 and doesn't progress to gear 6?
Cougar, Physically, all gears are present. Yes, in the literal. We know there is no work at the shift linkage/trans parts, etc. What I'm trying to imagine, is the shift display. I'm giving CAT the benefit of the doubt that if the mod is not soldered, then (CAT brings no video to view) what mod was done to the GPS this time around? If I imagine CAT's mod, he has rendered the GPS useless with a mod that is fixed to 6, (feels the performance difference) and sees his mod simply shorted to read dash 5th (again) while in 6th gear. OR...
The mod (CAT's mod) never worked as plan, because the bike display shows 1 thru 6 as if un-tampered with. Tampered, the 6 is thrown, but CAT figured a way to keep the display working, but the down side is that the mod shows 5th dash display '2wice' when it is in the physical 6th.
Bottom line on CAT's vid, is the performance change. It's all or nothing. So, back to the question that explains c31 in the absolute.... CAT, after the GPS mod, was there a change in performance... Y or N.
We are so close, CAT, the ball is in your court. Yes, my mod changed the performance for the better, OR... Yes, my display reads, 1-2-3-4-5-5 and I do feel the performance difference... OR, No, I have all display numbers, 1-2-3-4-5-6 and there is no (performance) difference to my GPS mod...OR, My mod did change performance, but the dash 6 is looking at me, right in my face, (no matter which gear I'm in)...
CAT?
The mod (CAT's mod) never worked as plan, because the bike display shows 1 thru 6 as if un-tampered with. Tampered, the 6 is thrown, but CAT figured a way to keep the display working, but the down side is that the mod shows 5th dash display '2wice' when it is in the physical 6th.
Bottom line on CAT's vid, is the performance change. It's all or nothing. So, back to the question that explains c31 in the absolute.... CAT, after the GPS mod, was there a change in performance... Y or N.
We are so close, CAT, the ball is in your court. Yes, my mod changed the performance for the better, OR... Yes, my display reads, 1-2-3-4-5-5 and I do feel the performance difference... OR, No, I have all display numbers, 1-2-3-4-5-6 and there is no (performance) difference to my GPS mod...OR, My mod did change performance, but the dash 6 is looking at me, right in my face, (no matter which gear I'm in)...
CAT?
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