Skin Color under the Helmet

[FJRider]

It's refreshing to hear so many Busa owners having the same mindset about this subject.

It's too bad racism continues in this country. It sucks. Unfortunately it's going to take one hell of a long time (if ever) for some to get over it.

I'm white. I don't care what color is under the helmet. To my way of thinking; respect me, I do the same, simple as that.

As for black biker groups, seems to me that helps to continue, if not promote, separation. Then again, Sturgis is probably mostly white because of the Harley following (never been there). Perhaps someone should suggest separate Metric and Harley (& types) week and forget skin color meets. My .02

 

[Aughtsix]

And now we've gone from racism to revisionist history...

At least it's a change.

 

[Aughtsix]

What then do you call black folks acting poorly toward Korean folks?  Or Chinese folks acting poorly toward Japanese folks?  Or Arab folks acting poorly toward Persian folks?  Or German folks acting poorly toward Italian folks?  Or the French acting poorly toward everybody?

Simple you call it "discrimination", it becomes racism (The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others when there is differentiation simply because of a misguided belief that because I'm black I'm superior to any other race.  It's stupid and narrow minded and yes any race can be racist!

However, the history between Germans and Jews and
white america & black america is soooooo sensitive it's always the focal point. But you're right racism exists in many regions & countries.

If I may say to you, to discriminate IS to distinguish and/or differentiate, irrespective the belief at its foundation. So discrimination doesn't 'become' racism by virtue of having at its foundation a belief that one race is superior to another. Racism would be the core belief; discrimination would be a product of racism.

Admittedly, it may be a matter of semantics - we may be saying the same thing in different ways.

Anyway, if we're to buy the politically correct 'racism' we're being fed, I would ask you to list societies in which racism doesn't exist. There very well may be some, I just can't think of any. And if this is the case - if there are no societies in which racism doesn't exist - could that indicate that the entire world is racist? Or that what we've been fed is wrong...

 

[cache]

would I be discrimiative if I move this to Random Thoughts?

 

[willgetbusa]

think of this, the movie white men can't jump? What if it was black men can't swim? never happen it would be construded as racist yet one is ok the other is racist.

obviously that movie didn't bother too many people other wise the bothered ones would've done what most americans do i.e., call the movie governing board, fcc, etc., and they would've also protest outside of movie theatres. at least i didn't see/here any of that happening when that movie came out.

the bottom line is we're all americans regardless of our skin colors, we should stop using racial words, comments, phrases, etc., that bothers our fellow americans regardless of skin colors. if the words don't bother anyone then use it, if it does and you know it then stop.

imo, the people that still use racial words, comments, etc., knowing it bothers their fellow americans, do it because they just hate that particular group(s) or have no respects for them.

based on what i've seen/heard, racial slurs does bother the 'minority' american groups more than the 'euro' american groups because they have a deeper history of being mistreated and abused by the 'euro' americans. it's very hard to for some to erase those things because most of the sacrafised victims were only guilty because of their skin colors. those innocent victims are like the innocent victims of 9-1-1, oklahoma federal bombing, etc. it is very hard to erase something like that out of history.

 

[suzuki4life]

would I be discrimiative if I move this to Random Thoughts?  

Yeah probably, I'm too the point. Who cares?

 

[cache]

I care, thats who.

 

[Charlesbusa]

 

[Nijinsky3]

 

[suzuki4life]

I care, thats who.

Hey you discrimminating againist me because I'm pale Greenish purple americandutchjew treefrog worshipper?

 

[BigDawg_03Busa]

What then do you call ?

Simple you call it "discrimination", it becomes racism (The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others when there is differentiation simply because of a misguided belief that because I'm black I'm superior to any other race.  It's stupid and narrow minded and yes any race can be racist!

However, the history between Germans and Jews and
white america & black america is soooooo sensitive it's always the focal point. But you're right racism exists in many regions & countries.

If I may say to you, to discriminate IS to distinguish and/or differentiate, irrespective the belief at its foundation.  So discrimination doesn't 'become' racism by virtue of having at its foundation a belief that one race is superior to another.  Racism would be the core belief; discrimination would be a product of racism.  

Admittedly, it may be a matter of semantics - we may be saying the same thing in different ways.

Anyway, if we're to buy the politically correct 'racism' we're being fed, I would ask you to list societies in which racism doesn't exist.  There very well may be some, I just can't think of any.  And if this is the case - if there are no societies in which racism doesn't exist - could that indicate that the entire world is racist?  Or that what we've been fed is wrong...

You're saying in a sensewhat I'm saying man. You're saying however discrimination is a product of racism. However in the case of your quote "black folks acting poorly toward Korean folks? Or Chinese folks acting poorly toward Japanese folks? Or Arab folks acting poorly toward Persian folks? Or German folks acting poorly toward Italian folks? Or the French acting poorly toward everybody" there is no mention of one race feeling superior to another, so this IN MY OPINION would be considered more along the lines of discrimination unless examples are provided.

 

[cache]

I care, thats who.

Hey you discrimminating againist me because I'm pale Greenish purple americandutchjew treefrog worshipper?

im discriminating against your name for all those poor ninja owners out there......

 

[rubbersidedown]

Affirmative Action

^^  beer in every fridge.

ahhhh

FINNALLY... the voice of reason.

 

[cache]

.... cant we all just get abong?

 

[race1gun]

im with cache on this one 100% if we all got abong the world would be a better place

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[RandomNickname]

Okay, first of all American law is NOT based on Christianity, or any other religion,

THANK YOU!

I am so glad to know there are other people who realize this, rather than being spoonfed by the zealots and the revisionists.

I made the argument in a political thread somewhere to this extent and had my head chewed off -- until I made a huge post with quotes from the founding fathers as well as some of their contempraries and modern-day historians. It amused me to watch these people squirm and try to spin it (which they couldn't), but saddens me that some people are so willing to swallow revisionst history and political dogma without pausing to fire up the brain stem and maybe think for themselves.

 

[suzuki4life]

Okay, first of all American law is NOT based on Christianity, or any other religion,

THANK YOU!

I am so glad to know there are other people who realize this, rather than being spoonfed by the zealots and the revisionists.

I made the argument in a political thread somewhere to this extent and had my head chewed off -- until I made a huge post with quotes from the founding fathers as well as some of their contempraries and modern-day historians.  It amused me to watch these people squirm and try to spin it (which they couldn't), but saddens me that some people are so willing to swallow revisionst history and political dogma without pausing to fire up the brain stem and maybe think for themselves.

Um so religion has no bearing in our governement?

Please explain:

Pledge to the flag:
"One Nation Under GOD"

American Dollar:
"In GOD We Trust"

President's pledge upon taking office ( can't spell the proper word): Many mentionings of GOD.

 

[rubbersidedown]

In that same since YES I SEE RACISM EVERY DAY when lil ole ladies grap their purses or lock their doors when I walk by YES  I SEE RACISM everyday when I get a second look because I'm riding through a predominately white neighborhood.



I'm concerned for them though, because when Christ returns he won't have a colored line and a white line.

Jesus H Christ ...

Bigdog... you own a mirror right?

I'm fearless(thru stupidty and arrogance,a slight death-wish,etc etc ) but ya know what....I'm not all that interested in a "Cage-Match" with you...you hear what I'm sayin'...

You've made yourself look intimidating Bruva.

They dont clutch their purses cause yer black, they clutch them because yer a few hundred pounds of shaved head with giant arms , and a "Not-so-nice" look on your face.

I speak from experience. I almost didn't get my last job because the HIRING PEOPLE thought I looked too intimidating.
I was being discriminated against... not for skin color,but just beacause...I weigh a couple hundred pounds,have alot of old jailhouse tattoo's,and a NOT SO NICE look ...

I picked you outa the crowd BigDawg so that I wouldn't get shid from guys like....."you know who"....that,and I figured yer a cool guy,who wont get all PISSY.

I think folks can do alot to help themselves,and their race/creed/group if they would...

<span style='color:limegreen'>JUST TOW THE LINE</span>

"Society" has a perception.
They have what they believe too be ACCEPTABLE.
They also have what they deem to be NON-ACCEPTABLE.

In that catagory sits BIGDAWG. But in that catagory also sits Rubbah. I'm white. He's black. So fuggin' what. Black white yellow does it really matter?

Poeple will always find something. If you are not prepared to TOW THE LINE, and fit neatly and orderly into one of the acceptable catagories... you'll most likely find yourself ostracized by the community.


I guess, for me, I just don't see what all the pissin' an' moanin' is about. I do what I want,when I want. Don't you?
Everybody on this board owns an expensive motorcycle,lives in a nice place, has a great job, moves about the city and country they live in.... whats all the pissin' about?


Racism is everywhere...its easier to find...if yer lookin' for it.

If ya know what I mean.


Couple years ago me an' the house mouse are in Cali. We are gonna do the tourist thing an' head over to Universal Studios.
On the way ol Rubb decides he's hungry. We stop in a "not-so-nice" part of South Central L.A. Just about every biz-ness is closed on a permanant basis(all boarded up),there's a "shopping cart guy" every ten feet, there isn't a "WHITEY" for miles. I say "I'm hungry,Lets eat". My wife says, "Are you nuts,look where we are".
She was right. There was RACISM everywhere. We went into this eatery,sat down,and low and behold...we were they only honkee's in da joint. As I look back on it, I can understand how and why she was scared and nervous. We were WHITE. So... I got us some grub as quikly as possible and got my lil house mouse out of harms way. Why were we in "Harms Way". We were in harms way because we were WHITE.


Bottom Line: JUST ABOUT EVERYONE IS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER.

Fat chicks, chinese men, Italian Jews, skinny black girls, white canadian men and women....

where will it end....

it will end when folks get together and wake up. when they just enjoy each others company. the past is,just that,the past. cant we just move on. why does it have to be black anything. or white anything.

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE GROUPS.

and thats cool....as long as they are MILD.

this is HAYABUSA.ORG... we dont really need a bunch of ZX12 owners in here all the time bustin' our chops...
we have better things to do,we have Busa's to diagnose,repair,customize, and generally talk about.

but here in this group...we have white,chinese,Jew,Christian,Mexican,East Indian,Chinese...
even some French Canadians....yuk...

but for the most part we get along....its not Black.org or white dot.org. Its Busa.org. A common ground.


I dunno.... the KKK meeting every Friday....
are they not just bringing it upon themselves

I dunno... black bike week...
are they not just bringing it upon themselves???

I dunno... neo nazis...meeting...
are they just not bringing it upon themselves???

I dunno... Johavas Witneses...???





I forgot the Greeks.... O shid, now I'm in trouble....

 

[RandomNickname]

Okay, first of all American law is NOT based on Christianity, or any other religion,

THANK YOU!

I am so glad to know there are other people who realize this, rather than being spoonfed by the zealots and the revisionists.

I made the argument in a political thread somewhere to this extent and had my head chewed off -- until I made a huge post with quotes from the founding fathers as well as some of their contempraries and modern-day historians.  It amused me to watch these people squirm and try to spin it (which they couldn't), but saddens me that some people are so willing to swallow revisionst history and political dogma without pausing to fire up the brain stem and maybe think for themselves.

Um so religion has no bearing in our governement?

Please explain:

Pledge to the flag:
"One Nation Under GOD"

American Dollar:
"In GOD We Trust"

President's pledge upon taking office ( can't spell the proper word): Many mentionings of GOD.

Every one of those is a modern addition to the orignals, whether the pledge, the currency, or otherwise, and were not the product of the ideas that the nation was founded on:

--Pledge of Allegiance--

The pledge of allegiance was originally written in 1892 without any reference to "God".  Several revisions have been made throughout the years, but that one was added in 1954 "thanks" to a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, and is widely regarded to be a result of the "Red Scare" trials courtesy of Senator Joseph McCarthy.

(Interestingly enough the original author, Francis Bellamy, was actually pressured into leaving the church in 1891 -- a year before the Pledge was written -- due to his poltitcal feelings which he openly expressed.)

What follows is Bellamy's own account of some of the thoughts that went through his mind in August, 1892, as he picked the words of his Pledge:

"It began as an intensive communing with salient points of our national history, from the Declaration of Independence onwards; with the makings of the Constitution...with the meaning of the Civil War; with the aspiration of the people...

The true reason for allegiance to the Flag is the 'republic for which it stands.' ...And what does that vast thing, the Republic mean? It is the concise political word for the Nation - the One Nation which the Civil War was fought to prove. To make that One Nation idea clear, we must specify that it is indivisible, as Webster and Lincoln used to repeat in their great speeches. And its future?

Just here arose the temptation of the historic slogan of the French Revolution which meant so much to Jefferson and his friends, 'Liberty, equality, fraternity.' No, that would be too fanciful, too many thousands of years off in realization. But we as a nation do stand square on the doctrine of liberty and justice for all..."

(from http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm)

-- Currency --

Same for "In God We Trust" on our currency.  It was first added in the 1860s, after the civil war, mainly on coins.  On coins it has been interrupted however, and has not steadily been on them, and certainly not since the birth of the couintry.  As fat as paper currency goes, I have recently started collecting currency, and those words do not show up on currency until series printed in 1957 (and that was only on Silver Certificates -- Other currencies did not receive the motto until 1964 or later, depending on face value).

-- Presidential Oath of Office --

There are not "many mentionings" of God in the offical Oath of Office for the President.

As spelled out by the Constitution (Article II, Section 1), the Oath Of Office is:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

No mention of God at all.  In fact the option to use the phrase "I do solemnly affirm" rather than "swear" is specifically placed there in order to allow those who are atheists, or teir religious beliefs do not allow them to "swear" (such as Quakers, for example), the ability to take office and use the same oath to show their willingness to uphold the law as required by that office.

"So help me God," as we hear in many recitings of the Oath of Office is traditional, as it came after such was added by someone during an inauguration (though who it was seems to be a matter of contention by historians).  However, the same phrase was added to military Oaths of Office only after 1862, so I am inclined to believe it was also a result of the Civil War, much like coinage was.

=====

The fact of the matter is that zealotous Christianity was by and far not practiced in the time of the founding of our nation, certainly not as it is by the Jerry Fallwells and George W's of today.

Historians agree that most (if not all) of the founding fathers were Deists at best, and some (I believe James Madison among them) were outright Atheists.  (George Washington himself, though an attendant of church -- which was a fashionable thing to do at the time, beliefs or not -- is said (and this was backed up by the priest of his parish at the time) to have never received Communion, and indeed, left the services when Communion was offered.)

There are several anecdotes and historical dosuments (notably minutes kept during the Contenintal Congress), where any possible addition of any mention of an official religion or religious stance by the government were resoundingly struck down, and intentionally removed and kept out of any of the documents that this nation is founded on.

 

[PACIFICBUSA]

In that same since YES I SEE RACISM EVERY DAY when lil ole ladies grap their purses or lock their doors when I walk by YES  I SEE RACISM everyday when I get a second look because I'm riding through a predominately white neighborhood.



I'm concerned for them though, because when Christ returns he won't have a colored line and a white line.

Jesus H Christ ...

 Bigdog... you own a mirror right?

  I'm fearless(thru stupidty and arrogance,a slight death-wish,etc etc ) but ya know what....I'm not all that interested in a "Cage-Match" with you...you hear what I'm sayin'...

 You've made yourself look intimidating Bruva.

 They dont clutch their purses cause yer black, they clutch them because yer a few hundred pounds of shaved head with giant arms , and a "Not-so-nice" look on your face.

  I speak from experience.  I almost didn't get my last job because the HIRING PEOPLE thought I looked too intimidating.
 I was being discriminated against... not for skin color,but just beacause...I weigh a couple hundred pounds,have alot of old jailhouse tattoo's,and a NOT SO NICE look ...

  I picked you outa the crowd BigDawg so that I wouldn't get shid from guys like....."you know who"....that,and I figured yer a cool guy,who wont get all  PISSY.

 I think folks can do alot to help themselves,and their race/creed/group if they would...

    <span style='color:limegreen'>JUST TOW THE LINE</span>

  "Society" has a perception.  
     They have what they believe too be ACCEPTABLE.
      They also have what they deem to be NON-ACCEPTABLE.
 
  In that catagory sits BIGDAWG. But in that catagory also sits Rubbah.  I'm white. He's black.  So fuggin' what.  Black white yellow does it really matter?

  Poeple will always find something.  If you are not prepared to   TOW THE LINE, and fit neatly and orderly into one of the acceptable catagories...  you'll most likely find yourself ostracized by the community.


  I guess, for me, I just don't see what all the pissin' an' moanin' is about.  I do what I want,when I want.  Don't you?
 Everybody on this board owns an expensive motorcycle,lives in a nice place, has a great job, moves about the city and country they live in....  whats all the pissin' about?


Racism is everywhere...its easier to find...if yer lookin' for it.

  If ya know what I mean.


Couple years ago me an' the house mouse are in Cali. We are gonna do the tourist thing an' head over to Universal Studios.
On the way ol Rubb decides he's hungry. We stop in a "not-so-nice" part of South Central L.A.   Just about every biz-ness is closed on a permanant basis(all boarded up),there's a "shopping cart guy" every ten feet, there isn't a "WHITEY" for miles.  I say "I'm hungry,Lets eat".   My wife says, "Are you nuts,look where we are".  
 She was right.  There was  RACISM  everywhere. We went into this eatery,sat down,and low and behold...we were they only honkee's  in  da  joint.  As I look back on it, I can understand how and why she was scared and nervous. We were WHITE.    So... I got us some grub as quikly as possible and got my lil house mouse out of harms way.  Why were we in "Harms Way".   We were in harms way because we were WHITE.


  Bottom Line:   JUST ABOUT EVERYONE IS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER.

  Fat chicks, chinese men, Italian Jews, skinny black girls, white canadian men and women....

  where will it end....

   it will end when folks get together and wake up.  when they just enjoy each others company.  the past is,just that,the past. cant we just move on. why does it have to be black anything. or white anything.

  THERE WILL ALWAYS BE GROUPS.

   and thats cool....as long as they are MILD.

   this is HAYABUSA.ORG...   we dont really need a bunch of ZX12 owners in here all the time bustin' our chops...
  we have better things to do,we have Busa's to diagnose,repair,customize, and generally talk about.

 but here in this group...we have white,chinese,Jew,Christian,Mexican,East Indian,Chinese...
  even some French Canadians....yuk...

   but for the most part we get along....its not Black.org  or white dot.org.    Its Busa.org.  A common ground.


  I dunno....  the KKK meeting every Friday....
      are they not just bringing it upon themselves

  I dunno...  black bike week...
    are they not just bringing it upon themselves???

  I dunno...   neo nazis...meeting...
    are they just not bringing it upon themselves???

  I dunno...   Johavas Witneses...???

   

   

     I forgot the Greeks....  O shid, now I'm in trouble....

well said...well said.