First off I can't make the Fall Bash, But when I was around the Phillips I heard alot of people talking about the Eureka Springs Bash and how different is was then the Robbinsville Bash, That at Eureka they did EVERYTHING as a group, Is there people there Organizing and scheduling events? And how do you separate the Novice riders and Advanced riders in a group type ride, I think because of past incidence at the Robbinsville events, people tend to ride with people they know or have ridden in the past with. Me personal I like to keep a small group 4 to 6 is ideal, you cant lose anyone and keep a eye on the person behind u. But seeing other pics of groups and people I know, I would have loved to ridden in some of those other riders. So maybe have one Big group ride but space it out with say 5 riders to a group. Advance riders first so that the newer riders are not slowing anybody down. and have check points or stops along the ride route. This way you can wait as long or short as you would like along the ride. Im thinking maybe 3 to 4 stop during a ride route. So lets do some brain storming and think of ways to make the Robbinsville Bash, more sociable and fun as a group and keeping it as safe as possible in a group ride situation. I guess if we can't come up with anything as a Group the Robbinsville Bash will remain of a more divided type Bash and more congregating around the Phillips and the Firepit.