**The OFFICIAL TEAM GIXXER smacktalk thread**

[skydivr]

Aight, Keith... This is for you

I just took my gixxer for her first test ride with her final suspension upgrade completed. I am going to explain to you how the ole gal is handling now with a simple math equation

GIXXER + Curve = GLUE!!

Really, you need to be more specific as to how it effected your handling over OEM. Can you really tell the difference, or is your mind telling you that because, after shelling out all that $$$, it had BETTER handle...

Don't make me have to call Ohlins....

 

[Tiller]

Really, you need to be more specific as to how it effected your handling over OEM. Can you really tell the difference, or is your mind telling you that because, after shelling out all that $$$, it had BETTER handle...

Don't make me have to call Ohlins....

Well I already told you about the rear shock.... With the front now installed, it has also softened up bumps going down the road. And, it just feels like it is "stuck" in a turn better than before. I didn't ride it far or really get jiggy with it, just a quick test ride and that is my first impression. I'm hoping to get out for a good ride on Sunday so will have a better review then

 

[skydivr]

You know if its that dang good you are gonna have to let me go out and put a easy lap or two on it at Barber...

 

[Tiller]

You know if its that dang good you are gonna have to let me go out and put a easy lap or two on it at Barber...

Are you CRAZY??? I am not gonna let you turn my bike into a junky SLOW bike.... You've already done that to yours so stay away from mine

J/K... In all seriousness, Keith,.. You would be more than welcome to put a few "easy" laps on it... Just remember, you break it - you buy it

 

[Tufbusa]

Aight, Keith... This is for you

I just took my gixxer for her first test ride with her final suspension upgrade completed. I am going to explain to you how the ole gal is handling now with a simple math equation

GIXXER + Curve = GLUE!!

Here's the deal with suspension Jay. Your high end suspension is now installed and the new challenge is to learn how to use it. A good example of high end suspension vs OEM is like going from a $49 costco stereo with three adjustments (Bass - Treble - Balance) to a Studio Unit with 60 knob and button adjustments. If you don't know how to adjust all 60 knobs on the high end unit, you may be better served with the basics. It's a lot more difficult to learn how to tune the 60 knob unit vs the unit with 3 basic control knobs.

High end suspension is designed for high speed performance and usually performs poorly for less skilled riders. A bike set up to go fast rides like a turd to an intermediate rider. High end suspension won't make you a better rider or improve your skills. Where high end suspension pays off is once a riders skill level has exceeded OEM limitations. Suspension set up and rider skill are closely linked. Both advance in a Leap Frog scenario on a three second step. About every three seconds trimmed from the lap time the suspension needs to be re-tuned until you run out of adjustments on your OEM suspension at which time an upgrade is recommended. Although you can adjust your high end suspension to go slow, it's not going to noticeably improve your skills nor your lap times. You can't buy skill but you can buy instruction which will improve your knowledge and trim lap times.

And don't leave out Rider Training. Without instruction the road to mastering bike control and speed is a long and usually bumpy road.

 

[Tiller]

Here's the deal with suspension Jay. Your high end suspension is now installed and the new challenge is to learn how to use it. A good example of high end suspension vs OEM is like going from a $49 costco stereo with three adjustments (Bass - Treble - Balance) to a Studio Unit with 60 knob and button adjustments. If you don't know how to adjust all 60 knobs on the high end unit, you may be better served with the basics. It's a lot more difficult to learn how to tune the 60 knob unit vs the unit with 3 basic control knobs.

High end suspension is designed for high speed performance and usually performs poorly for less skilled riders. A bike set up to go fast rides like a turd to an intermediate rider. High end suspension won't make you a better rider or improve your skills. Where high end suspension pays off is once a riders skill level has exceeded OEM limitations. Suspension set up and rider skill are closely linked. Both advance in a Leap Frog scenario on a three second step. About every three seconds trimmed from the lap time the suspension needs to be re-tuned until you run out of adjustments on your OEM suspension at which time an upgrade is recommended. Although you can adjust your high end suspension to go slow, it's not going to noticeably improve your skills nor your lap times. You can't buy skill but you can buy instruction which will improve your knowledge and trim lap times.

And don't leave out Rider Training. Without instruction the road to mastering bike control and speed is a long and usually bumpy road.

Thank you for your input SteveO..... Why don't you come down here and determine whether or not I am a "less skilled" rider I was advised by a very respected instructor with STT that it was time for me to upgrade suspension..

And by saying high end suspension works poorly for unskilled riders, are you saying that all these guys who have done one track day and went and bought a set up track bike with ohlins would be better off with a bike OEM ???

 

[Jet Li]

I vote for me as VP of operations for Team Gixxer's Speed Triple Southern Division. I guarantee I will be the fastest S3 rider there!!!

 

[Tufbusa]

Thank you for your input SteveO..... Why don't you come down here and determine whether or not I am a "less skilled" rider I was advised by a very respected instructor with STT that it was time for me to upgrade suspension..

And by saying high end suspension works poorly for unskilled riders, are you saying that all these guys who have done one track day and went and bought a set up track bike with ohlins would be better off with a bike OEM ???

I didn't say high end suspension works poorly for unskilled riders. I said high end suspension set up to go "Fast" works poorly for less skilled riders who don't have have upper level race skills. Remember the 3 second rule. Adjust your suspension with every 3 seconds you acquire in skill? As you reach the top of the skill tier, that 3 seconds will dwindle down to 2 or maybe even 1 second. You aren't going to reach that upper level without a few crashes under your belt. Trust me, crashes are a part of life as you meander through the learning curve.

If you can hold a line and maintain traction on race rubber, you don't "NEED" better suspension. I was at a point once just like you when I thought I needed better suspension to go faster. I purchased fork cartridges and a Ohlins shock. I was actually slower on the upgraded suspension because I couldn't adjust it properly and it wasn't what I was accustomed too. I paid the suspension guru trackside to adjust things and I could feel little difference after spending $2500. That bike is long gone along with the $$$ I spent and in my view "Wasted"!

As time went by and I made friends with some of the fast guys and a suspension guru or two I learned that a stock gsxr suspension could be tuned to go faster than I was capable of with no issues. The only thing I have upgraded on my current GSXR1K K7 is a 700 lb linear shock spring and re-shim of the high speed internal dampening. Nothing else is changed from OEM. The bike runs within 6 seconds of the track record at Portland with no issues.

I know lots of track day guys who ride their street bikes at the track. I don't know a single one that "NEEDS" Ohlins suspension to go faster. Sometimes a stiffer shock spring is needed if the bike is running wide on corner exits or fork springs if the forks are bottoming out. If you are not racing you don't "NEED" Ohlins suspension to romp around mid-pack in the "A" group and have just as much fun as the fast guys who spent thousands of $$$$ to go 3-4 seconds faster so they could compete on race day.

 

[skydivr]

Thanks for the dinner last night Charlie! (oops I mean Diana!); was a lot of fun sitting around the dinner table talking about the rest of the upcoming season! But don't think by feeding me I'm gonna cut you any slack on the track :watching:

Of course, you may have been looking at it as you are fattening the sacrifice

Jay will have to wait another month to hear that TBB Full exhaust WHAIL

 

[Twobrothersbusa]

Motion to second this nomination....

I vote for me as VP of operations for Team Gixxer's Speed Triple Southern Division. I guarantee I will be the fastest S3 rider there!!!

 

[Twobrothersbusa]

How is he going to hear it when you are behind him?

Thanks for the dinner last night Charlie! (oops I mean Diana!); was a lot of fun sitting around the dinner table talking about the rest of the upcoming season! But don't think by feeding me I'm gonna cut you any slack on the track :watching:

Of course, you may have been looking at it as you are fattening the sacrifice

Jay will have to wait another month to hear that TBB Full exhaust WHAIL

 

[skydivr]

How is he going to hear it when you are behind him?

I guess you'll be telling him about it then

 

[TreyYoung]

Sep 8/9 - Barber
TwoBrothersBusa
Skydivr

Sep 29/30 - Barber
TwoBrothersBusa
Skydivr :watching:
Tiller - (I) Sat and (A) Sun - 06 GSXR 1K
MC Mustang Novice - 05 SV1K
Motochris (I) Group Both days
Trey - Novice - 2011 Busa
Jet Li - Newly attached left quad tendon and 2013 Triumph Speed Triple R, "I" both days

Oct 20/21 - Barber
TwoBrothersBusa
Skydivr
Tiller - Advanced both days - 06 GSXR 1K
Georgiabusa
MC Mustang Novice - 05 SV1K
Flicka
Georgiagixxer08
Tiller's Dad - another Kawi
Trey - N/I - 2011 Busa

You all can keep talking $h!7, but I will have the fastest Busa out there

 

[Tiller]

I guess you'll be telling him about it then

I will really like to see how it compares to my slip-on

 

[Tiller]

Thanks for the dinner last night Charlie! (oops I mean Diana!); was a lot of fun sitting around the dinner table talking about the rest of the upcoming season! But don't think by feeding me I'm gonna cut you any slack on the track :watching:

Of course, you may have been looking at it as you are fattening the sacrifice

Jay will have to wait another month to hear that TBB Full exhaust WHAIL

Oh, I promise I dont need you to take it easy on me

 

[Tiller]

You all can keep talking $h!7, but I will have the fastest Busa out there

This is very much a true statement. But I believe "Tha One" will also be at one of the events so you may have some competition

 

[skydivr]

Big day at RA today. All I can say is WOW. The elevation changes present can't be seen in pics or video. I saw 170 on the back straight today. The Disalvo school was very interesting. His line is completely different than what the other riders are using (and faster); you can actually ALMOST ride a straight line thru turns 4-7 (the new AMA chicane) if you line it up just right. I got to walk the track last night simply amazing and it really helped me to understand the lines today.

There were a bunch of crashes this morning, then a brief storm shower dumped a bunch or rain, then people started crashing again. They only had one ambulance; when someone had to be transported they had to shut down until another ambulance came.

Shot a bunch of video; 2 GOPRO's wifi synced, one facing forwards and the other backward so that should interesting.

I got entirely too hot going back and forth from the class to the track; have one heck of a headache tonight.

Full day tomorrow hopefully the rain that was NEVER forecast won't come back.

 

[fallenarch]

Here's the deal with suspension Jay. Your high end suspension is now installed and the new challenge is to learn how to use it. A good example of high end suspension vs OEM is like going from a $49 costco stereo with three adjustments (Bass - Treble - Balance) to a Studio Unit with 60 knob and button adjustments. If you don't know how to adjust all 60 knobs on the high end unit, you may be better served with the basics. It's a lot more difficult to learn how to tune the 60 knob unit vs the unit with 3 basic control knobs.

High end suspension is designed for high speed performance and usually performs poorly for less skilled riders. A bike set up to go fast rides like a turd to an intermediate rider. High end suspension won't make you a better rider or improve your skills. Where high end suspension pays off is once a riders skill level has exceeded OEM limitations. Suspension set up and rider skill are closely linked. Both advance in a Leap Frog scenario on a three second step. About every three seconds trimmed from the lap time the suspension needs to be re-tuned until you run out of adjustments on your OEM suspension at which time an upgrade is recommended. Although you can adjust your high end suspension to go slow, it's not going to noticeably improve your skills nor your lap times. You can't buy skill but you can buy instruction which will improve your knowledge and trim lap times.

And don't leave out Rider Training. Without instruction the road to mastering bike control and speed is a long and usually bumpy road.

Sorry Boss but you are simply wrong with that statement, I don't care how much time you have at a track or around motorcycles. Same with the Brembo master cylinder. I would agree that a less skilled rider may not be able to fully exploit the suspension but they can certainly use it. I frankly don't see how you could not know that.

 

[Twobrothersbusa]

Stupid tire sale....to say I'm a fan of the Q2s is an understatement. $234.43 / set delivered.

 

[motochris]

Stupid tire sale....to say I'm a fan of the Q2s is an understatement. $234.43 / set delivered.

WOW!
I like the price!
Never have tried the Q2s.
Is your bike strictly track?