Ugh!!! Speeding ticket in NC

[GNBRETT]

It would be nice to know how the attorneys got that info. Are they in bed with the police dept.?

wondering the same. I know DMV has the record obviously and the insurance companies pay a fee to DMV for that info so they can raise insurance rates. I wonder if attorneys pay a fee to hav that info. that seems kinda shady to me.

 

[TallTom]

It would be nice to know how the attorneys got that info. Are they in bed with the police dept.?

Not really the PD. Any offense goes into the Clerk Of Courts database, usually within hours. Most typically private attorneys subscribe to an electronic access to the database. "Fee to See". They can search by areas of offense, level of offense etc. Or they can have the system automatically kick out a report of any new offenses they are interested in seeing. Hence your received letters. Each of those attorneys pay to get these tickets sent to them.

If you are another government agency, that is pretty much freely exchanged between organizations.

 

[RedBusarider]

Not really the PD. Any offense goes into the Clerk Of Courts database, usually within hours. Most typically private attorneys subscribe to an electronic access to the database. "Fee to See". They can search by areas of offense, level of offense etc. Or they can have the system automatically kick out a report of any new offenses they are interested in seeing. Hence your received letters. Each of those attorneys pay to get these tickets sent to them.

If you are another government agency, that is pretty much freely exchanged between organizations.

That seems like a breach of privacy. Like on a job application they can't ask you if you have ever been arrested but can ask if
you have been convicted of a crime. At that stage you haven't been convicted and it could get thrown out. I know it's a racket and everyone is out to make money.

 

[GNBRETT]

That seems like a breach of privacy. Like on a job application they can't ask you if you have ever been arrested but can ask if
you have been convicted of a crime.

that depends on the job ur applying for. sensitive government positions can and do ask if you have ever been arrested.

 

[TallTom]

That seems like a breach of privacy. Like on a job application they can't ask you if you have ever been arrested but can ask if
you have been convicted of a crime. At that stage you haven't been convicted and it could get thrown out. I know it's a racket and everyone is out to make money.

Let me put this to you gently. Your privacy has been breached in a lot more ways than this. In this particular discussion remember, attorneys simply are trying to get your business and this is a tool they have to do it with. They aren't allowed to publish any of this in a public format.

My chyt for brains brother, got a felony breaking and entering charge against him. He called me wanting help. I said, You have one chance to tell me the truth about what happened. Then I will see what I can do to help. He told me his story and I went and did my own checking. He was lying through his teeth to me. So I said, Sorry Bro, no help from here. He was furious. You can't Phuckin help your own brother? Then when I said here is what happened, here are the officers that arrested you, here is the property list of what they found and here is the previous history of this. I laid it all out for him to deny. He finally, pissed off as hell, admitted it all. Was pissed at me because I can go see what's up. I said, you need to make Bond and you need to hire an attorney. He made bond and promptly threatened that State's attorney that made the charges. Which then got him more charges. And they revoked his bond.

Chyt for brains finally figured he better go the attorney route. $15K later, he got 2 years Probation, 400 hours of CS, and a reduction down to a misdemeanor, and compensate the victim for damages.

That believe it or not saved his ass as he doesn't have to fill in the box that says Have you ever been convicted of a felony.

Don't be pissed that what you do can get looked at. Been that way for a long time now.

I just had to get my clearance renewed. I had an FBI dude call me saying that they need to discuss an irregularity. I got served papers for a similarly named person. I went to court to show it wasn't me. The clerk never entered the final outcome in the database. I had to show the agent the entire case to show that the Judge ruled on it, but the clerk never made the proper entry. This is our world now my friend.

 

[RedBusarider]

that depends on the job ur applying for. sensitive government positions can and do ask if you have ever been arrested.

Well then technically when you get pulled over and get a ticket you are arrested, with a citation to appear in court or mail in $$$ with the ticket for the fine.


TallTom -

Ever heard of HIPPA?

Someone I know, got fired for looking at a person's medical chart. Never gave any info out or tried to profit from it in any way.

Yes the world we live in is mixed up - as IF you know the right people you can get away with murder and if you look at a paper you can get fired or go to jail if you don't know anyone.
What this appears to prove, is that very little info on us is truly private.
But what are we going to do? If someone has to take a breathalyzer test for a DUI they probably have your DNA but never tell you that they do,
Then one day they can you it against you and you didn't even know they had it.
I have donated blood in the past and I wouldn't doubt they have mine somewhere but I don't remember signing anything that says it was OK for them to get it.
Probably in the fine print that most people can't or don't read.

AND LIFE GOES ON......


I'll bet the OP never thought this posting would get so long.

I still stand by my statement that IF THE OP had a video camera that showed the speedo and then getting pulled over and showing the cops face etc.
He would have no problem beating this ticket (including court cost) if he was truly unfairly ticketed because of police error. But that is hind sight and doesn't help him this time around.
THAT OR drive 10mph or more under the speed limit when there are cops everywhere......so as not to get pulled over. Again that doesn't help him now, sorry.

To the OP - thank you for posting this as IT might help others (including myself as a reminder) to slow way down if there is anything that looks like a speed trap.

 

[GNBRETT]

Well then technically when you get pulled over and get a ticket you are arrested, with a citation to appear in court or mail in $$$ with the ticket for the fine.

lol getting a summons to go to court isnt always an arrest. it can be if the charge is reckless or some other misd charge but ppl get speeding tickets all the time with a court appearance required. doesn't mean its an arrest. sometimes ur just summoned to court....

if its a mail in fine then it certainly isn't an arrest. a fine is not an arrest. u can be fined for an arrest able offense but u can't be arrested for an offense thats just a fine. an arrest is either a misd or felony with the possibility of jail time and or a fine.

and HIPPA applies to protected medical information only. NOT arrest info. and the only ppl taking and entering ones DNA is corrections when someone is sentenced to prison.

 

[TallTom]

TallTom -

Ever heard of HIPPA?

Yep HIPPA applies to health and medical. HIPPA is actually a pretty robust program. Way worse than arrest info to access.

 

[RedBusarider]

and the only ppl taking and entering ones DNA is corrections when someone is sentenced to prison.

NOT TRUE. Haven't you ever heard of them taking a DNA sample form someone that is a suspect for a rape case? Even if it is to prove they didn't do it?
OR a murder case and they find a hair and then want a DNA sample from a suspect?

SO it is NOT ONLY when someone is sentenced to prison.

 

[el stumpo]

It would be nice to know how the attorneys got that info. Are they in bed with the police dept.?

I don't know if they pay, but this is public knowledge. Look at arrest records - again, public knowledge. (all those mugshot websites.. it's all fun and games until it's you).

In NC, it's a money making game. Pay the attorney, it goes away. If they say 'you were going 85, but I'll do you a favor and write it for 80', you can look at the ticket and it'll say 85/80. This comes into play if you try to plead it down.

I've never seen/heard of a ticket below 9mph over. 2mph and they were handing out tickets? How do you justify that?

 

[GNBRETT]

lol well not exactly. sure if a police officer gets a search warrant to swab a rape suspects mouth they will sure check his DNA against the DNA they recovered in the rape kit and yes it will be entered into the national data base to see if there are any other cases that might match his DNA cause the crime that the police are investigating is highly unlikely the ONLY sexual assault case the rape suspect has committed IF he is the person their lookn for. maybe he's a serial rapist?

IF the DNA of the suspect does not match his DNA will be destroyed and removed from the national data base. just as if someone was arrested and their finger prints and photo is takn and lets say they are unarrested per order of a supervisor or if the case is dismissed or nollied (after 13 months on a mollie) their record will be destroyed. I think u hav to request it tho after the 13 months. won't happen on its own.

so yes ur correct there are other ways DNA is tested and collected but ur understanding of the way its entered into a national data base permanently is incorrect.

and the only ppl taking and entering ones DNA is corrections when someone is sentenced to prison.

NOT TRUE. Haven't you ever heard of them taking a DNA sample form someone that is a suspect for a rape case? Even if it is to prove they didn't do it?
OR a murder case and they find a hair and then want a DNA sample from a suspect?

SO it is NOT ONLY when someone is sentenced to prison.

 

[GNBRETT]

I don't know if they pay, but this is public knowledge. Look at arrest records - again, public knowledge. (all those mugshot websites.. it's all fun and games until it's you).

that depends on ur state but yea for the most past arrest CONVICTIONS become public knowledge and most can be accessed on various websites but that does not entitle you to their arrest RECORD. only their arrest CONVICTIONS. and the information available to the public is limited as far as the arrest info is concerned. a picture and wat they were convicted of is essentially wat u get.

this was not a case of someone being arrested and convicted so someone getting a ticket wud NOT be public knowledge. especially since he hasn't even gone to court yet if he ops to.

ur not gonna get a ticket today and within a week be able to go online and view it. the attorneys are obviously linked into a system at the court so wen a ticket is entered into the court system for a court date they mus b notified via email I'm assuming. so this wud NOT be public knowledge.

a driving RECORD can be obtained pretty easily but thats only AFTER they were convicted or plead to such offense. certainly not BEFORE.

 

[E Zurcher]

If you ever served in the military, your DNA is on record also.

 

[el stumpo]

that depends on ur state but yea for the most past arrest CONVICTIONS become public knowledge and most can be accessed on various websites but that does not entitle you to their arrest RECORD. only their arrest CONVICTIONS. and the information available to the public is limited as far as the arrest info is concerned. a picture and wat they were convicted of is essentially wat u get.

this was not a case of someone being arrested and convicted so someone getting a ticket wud NOT be public knowledge. especially since he hasn't even gone to court yet if he ops to.

ur not gonna get a ticket today and within a week be able to go online and view it. the attorneys are obviously linked into a system at the court so wen a ticket is entered into the court system for a court date they mus b notified via email I'm assuming. so this wud NOT be public knowledge.

a driving RECORD can be obtained pretty easily but thats only AFTER they were convicted or plead to such offense. certainly not BEFORE.

Not quite. Court calendars are public information. The court calendar has plaintiff, defendant and charges - before conviction.

They may be paying for it - would not be surprised. Newspapers use the FOIA to get this type of data all the time.

I'm sure I could get a listing of citations and offenders if I tried for a certain county. Might cost me $, but I could get it. Again, it's public knowledge, I didn't say free.

 

[GNBRETT]

yes PAYING for it. the newspaper does NOT know when someone goes to court for a speeding ticket. its NOT a criminal charge and the court calendar ur referring to is posted in the court room so ppl know which court to go to for their case.

Not quite. Court calendars are public information. The court calendar has plaintiff, defendant and charges - before conviction.

They may be paying for it - would not be surprised. Newspapers use the FOIA to get this type of data all the time.

I'm sure I could get a listing of citations and offenders if I tried for a certain county. Might cost me $, but I could get it. Again, it's public knowledge, I didn't say free.

 

[GNBRETT]

If you ever served in the military, your DNA is on record also.

of course. so they can identify ur body parts if need be.

 

[el stumpo]

yes PAYING for it. the newspaper does NOT know when someone goes to court for a speeding ticket. its NOT a criminal charge and the court calendar ur referring to is posted in the court room so ppl know which court to go to for their case.

Here is an online Court Calendar for NC with the plaintiff, defendant and charges: Calendars / Error page


Or better yet, go here: Calendars / Impaired Driving Query and you can download the upcoming court dates for people charged (not convicted) of impaired driving.

Go here: Calendars / Citation Query by Defendant Name and pick a last name. Say 'Jones' and pick the first person listed JONES JR,CURTIS and you can see he has a court date on 7/11 (today is 6/19) for dWI, Speeding and revoked license.
Arraigned Offenses for Case Number: 2013065550 CR
Arraigned Defendant Name: JONES JR,CURTIS
County: CUMBERLAND
Court Date: 07/11/2014
Session: AM
Court Room: 002A
Offense Code Description Statute
5405 Traffic DRIVING WHILE IMPAIRED 20-138.1
5450 Traffic SPEEDING 20-141(J1)
9955 Traffic CIVIL REVOCATION DR LIC (30) 20-16.5

so you can see traffic matters are posted online prior to conviction. This is NC, I don't know about other states.

So Yes - people do know when people are headed to traffic court for speeding and other offenses. Public knowledge.

 

[VIPER]

Last time i checked arrest info is public record....i could be mistaken

 

[GNBRETT]

yes DUI is a CRIMINAL charge. the other charges that are infractions will also be listed cause they were put card as additional charges when he was ARRESTED!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is an online Court Calendar for NC with the plaintiff, defendant and charges: Calendars / Error page


Or better yet, go here: Calendars / Impaired Driving Query and you can download the upcoming court dates for people charged (not convicted) of impaired driving.

Go here: Calendars / Citation Query by Defendant Name and pick a last name. Say 'Jones' and pick the first person listed JONES JR,CURTIS and you can see he has a court date on 7/11 (today is 6/19) for dWI, Speeding and revoked license.
Arraigned Offenses for Case Number: 2013065550 CR
Arraigned Defendant Name: JONES JR,CURTIS
County: CUMBERLAND
Court Date: 07/11/2014
Session: AM
Court Room: 002A
Offense Code Description Statute
5405 Traffic DRIVING WHILE IMPAIRED 20-138.1
5450 Traffic SPEEDING 20-141(J1)
9955 Traffic CIVIL REVOCATION DR LIC (30) 20-16.5

so you can see traffic matters are posted online prior to conviction. This is NC, I don't know about other states.

So Yes - people do know when people are headed to traffic court for speeding and other offenses. Public knowledge.

 

[el stumpo]

yes DUI is a CRIMINAL charge. the other charges that are infractions will also be listed cause they were put card as additional charges when he was ARRESTED!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please do your work. I've given you all the links. Note the the DUI is in traffic not criminal court. Here is one only a traffic citation:
Arraigned Offenses for Case Number: 2014700940 IF
Arraigned Defendant Name: JONES,AARON,EVERETT
County: MADISON
Court Date: 07/17/2014
Session: AM
Court Room: 000B

Offense Code Description Statute
4450 Infraction SPEEDING 20-141(B)

No arrest here, just speeding.

Not sure why you continue to argue the point, I've already given you all the info. Traffic citations are public record and available PRIOR to court date.