ZX12 is no threat (yet)

[OB_fastzx9]

Christ, people assume things on this site all the time! And by the way you enjoy twisting words and making an issue out of "you said, you didnt say" , I feel like I am talking you wife!

There it's been said, my comments today reflect the conversation I had a week or so ago. You no longer need to assume or presume, wouldn't want to put you through that anymore.

Now that everything has been disclosed, can we carry on?

Kevin

 

[OB_fastzx9]

Todd, just a thought....

There's you and your wife.....there's you and I....hmmmm, what's the common denominator?

But seeing as you need to be correct, I bow down.

Kevin

 

[Guest]

Kevin - Do you have red hair too?! hehehe

With so many sources (British, German, Japanese, U.S. mags, insiders, "friends" in Japan, janitor that cleans the Kaw building etc etc) I'm just trying to keep things straight. Your numbers differ significantly from the latest sources referred to lately (German mag and Motorcycle News) and I just wanted to be properly informed and attempt to be as clear as possible about what numbers are coming from where. (which hasn't been an easy task) But I like challenges.
With speculation, rumors and extra embelishment rampant these days I'm trying to take extra steps to make sense of it. Even claimed inside info from Kaw has differed depending on the source and the day of the week. Hope that explains my attempt at clarity during these speculative times?

 

[OB_johnnyboy]

Guys,

There's no URL yet.
It should appear in the Motorcycleworld website in the 'News' columns in a few days.

In any case, it's bad news for fast bikes. If it has to be re-designed, I don't think it would appear in showrooms before 2000.

Speaking about rumours and 'insiders':
About a year ago, MCW had reported that the ZX12 would have rim-sized brakes - so they could be wrong, after all.

 

[OB_fastzx9]

I think I have quoted one, maybe two sources.. can't you keep those straight? I mean I did just clarify. Your wife does have her hands full.

Kevin

 

[Guest]

Now you're being a green BOZO and we already have enough of those here. It's not up to me or any of the other board members to keep up with your PAST two sources every time you post new suspicious numbers with NOTHING to back them up. We're right back to square one and I'm beginning to think there is no room left in that green brain of yours for an additional thought on this subject. It's plain and simple - you posted 9.3 1/4 mile time for the unreleased phantom bike without a source. I asked if you could provide a source for the post that YOU made. Instead you have accused US (Hayabusa owners) of asking you to post it, expect us to READ YOUR MIND concerning the source you DID NOT POST and/or remember way back when you claim you spoke to a KAW insider and just ASSUME that's where you got the information YOU posted(without being prompted) that was listed on THIS THREAD with NO SOURCE originally. Now that you're getting your balls busted you've decided to resort to personal attacks. Might as well give up and go on to the next bait post cause we're not buying it.

 

[OB_fastzx9]

Todd, you crack me up! I don't feel busted in the least bit, but feel free to think you have. As far as feeling sorry because you feel I put you out for making you "assume" some things, I'm sorry, but quit your crying. You have way too much time obviously to find the need to pick apart people's posts.

As far as proof of my conversation, what exactly would you like.... recorded tapes, a sworn statement? Nothing will satisfy that overly-skeptical mind of yours, so why ask? If my word isn't good enough, then I'm not sure what I can do for you. I relay the truth, nothing less. If I was given false facts then I apologize for bringing incorrect information. The funny thing is you asked me in my original post to share and disclose what I knew.......why? Let's do everyone a favor and just let things be.

 

[Guest]

Perhaps you are confused at what I have stated?! The various sources I have mentioned above are but some of many that have been referenced by various participants concerning the 12. If you read closely you may notice that I never listed all those sources as those YOU have used. I simply listed them to illustrate the enormous number of so called reliable sources that we have been forced to deal with concerning the subject and why it is sometimes difficult to keep up with all of them - especially since nearly all report different findings. This is also why myself and others were asking about your source since you did not list one with the original 9.3 post. With so many sources being quoted these days how else were we to know what you were basing your info on?! Oh - yeah we're supposed to read you mind aren't we? Or should we just remember that sometime in the past you listed a source but no info and no numbers and we should automatically assume that the info you post at a later date of your choosing came from that source you once talked about way back then? What about new members that never saw that past posting? How would they know what your sources are now when you don't list them? Osmosis??!!

PS - Speaking of too much time on their hands - Hayabusa owners like myself might wonder what a ZX-9 owner with green envy is doing spending so much time on the Suzuki Hayabusa site chicken fighting over funny numbers pulled out of a hat for a bike that Kaw claims doesn't exist officially! Seems to me any Haybusa owner with extra time on their hands couldn't be in a better place than Hayabusa.org. As for you - guess you will have to come up with your own excuse since I know of at least two Kaw boards that would be better suited for this nonsense.

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[OB_fastzx9]

Todd, read these and see if you can see the resemblance now? I would have thought you, being that you were not a new member...rather a Senior member, would have been able to put the two together. Especially since you were the one conversing with me there as well. Tell you what, for now on I will give special little reminder notes just for you so you can keep pace. Okay?


(from today...)"Please do give us the URL! I find that very interesting because that would contradict the 208 mph, 9.30 quarter mile performance of the bike that was tested here in the U.S. Actually there were three U.S. test bikes, then one was totaled on a road course. Hmmmm...."

(from my previous post) "Well, it was easier to decipher (the Kawi info) knowing that the numbers came off of two massaged hand-built U.S. test models. There were three until one got wrecked in a test session...lol."

Hmmm.......seems strikingly similar to me....
No osmosis needed here, just a short term memory!

Again, are you ready to move on?


Kevin - fastzx9@dragbike.com

 

[OB_fastzx9]

Hey Todd, can you direct me to the official Kawasaki site that refers to and confirms the statement above? URL will do just fine.

Don't tell me you need me to explain again why I come here.....? It was only this morning...and on this thread!

You frequent the Kaw boards...shame, shame!



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[OB_Buffalo]

I don't want to seem nosey but why do you post here fastzx9? Do you plan to buy a Hayabusa? I'd think you would be better recieved on a ZX12 site. It seems to me the majority of your posts have to do with the 12 being faster than the Suzuki, neat trick since it doesn't have to actually exist to do it. Till a ZX12 is available to verify any of these claims it's all just talk isn't it?

 

[OB_Dirty Pete]

Buffalo annihilates fastzx9 in much the same way that the Busa annihilates fog.

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[Guest]

Well get used to it Buffalo. As you can see from his last two posts(as well as countless past posts) he will resort to utter dribble and personal attacks when facts and common sense fail him. He prefers to argue like a woman rather than admit to what he actually posted (or did NOT post in this case) The truth is he and his other Kaw buddies have been filled with the rage of GREEN ENVY ever since the Busa rocked the motorcycle world with the fastest and quickest times ever produced by a full stock production bike. As
long as people like me are holding his feet to the fire you can expect him to continue playing these games. Doesn't bother me - most of the day I'm getting paid the same whether I'm cranking out code or busting Kevin!

 

[OB_Dirty Pete]

And now Todd has driven in the Last Nail.

We Hayabusa owners are brutal, merciless people, fastzx9.


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[OB_fastzx9]

Jesus, here we go again....

Buffalo, I have close to 100 posts on this site and less than 20% have anything to do with the Zx-12. Matter of fact, my first 60 or so had absolutely nothing to do with the ZX-12. Spend some time, do some research, and at least read the full thread before you make comments like those. (I fully explain up a ways why I come here...)

Todd, ...... nothing worthwhile to say here.....may need to draw a map.....

Pete, annihilated and nailed? When? You Busa owners are so brutal and so merciless.. I hardly know how to deal.

I know I used to come here to get great info, owner modifications, reader feedback, etc. Now, I see some of the more prominent posters on this site need their ego's stroked and to be told on a daily basis that their Busa is supreme. It's getting to be more of a pissing contest than an education, and that's ceratinly not what I wanted. Don't be so defensive boys, it's not coming out remember!!!

the flamed and anhilated ZX-9 owner - Kevin

 

[OB_Dirty Pete]

He just said "...it's not coming out..."

Too bad, for sure. We were just forming a huge gang - a welcoming committee really - to meet that ZX12 bike on the street, strip and track.

To suck its lungs out, and to spit them on Hondas.

Now the Big Green craps out.

Stick around fastzx9.

We may yet convince you.

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[OB_fastzx9]

Todd, you seem to have a very short memory. The information that I received was from a phone conversation from a very good Kawasaki source (in my opinion) who attended these test sessions and actually got seat time on the new bike. As far as me directing you to a URL, well, can't do it because there isn't one. Let me also "re-state" that these tests were done on hand massaged test motorcycles..... much like the info Team Hayabusa received. They are at the absolute high end of factory tolerances. Is it within spec, yes.... will production bikes see these kinds of numbers, very few.

Let me address another issue.....in about 17 other threads I have made it clear why I come here. I will say it again for those who failed to grasp this concept. I come here because I am a motorcycle enthusiast. I like the fact that Suzuki has stepped it up. Matter of fact, I compliment the Hayabusa all the time. I like to talk with other moto guys, this happens to be a great place to do that. Other bikes get discussed, mods get talked about, do's and don't's, great info... not to mention I feel I can contribute as well. That's why I come. In this particular case, I felt I received some good info and shared it. Is it gospel to me, no! Did I make that clear in the other thread, yes!

Todd, you need not worry.... none of this ever gets to me. I am very satisfied with my ZX-9 and will wait until Kawi comes out with something better for me. Maybe they never will and I'll ride my nine forever. But I ride the crap out of mine and it has been good to me. I have owned three Kawi's without incident. That's why I am a fan! If it had been a good history with Suzuki then Suzuki would have received more of my business. It's just the way it worked out.

Kevin

 

[OB_fastzx9]

Heck, why don't you form that welcoming committee for me? My gut tells me I would fair well enough on the street and strip....although, if you ride as well as you talk....I'd be done for sure.

Don't worry, I'm not going anywhere....

 

[Guest]

Well I suspect that the 12 vs Busa discussions will continue for some time regardless of what the 12 ends up doing. I believe the 12 will be close enough to the Busa (a bit faster or a bit slower) where mods and dragstrips will provide close racing between the two with victories coming down to the rider in some cases. I personally still do not believe the 12 has the aerodynamics to top the Busa in top speed with the hp it is supposed to have but 1/4 mile times could be more interesting. Guess we should get used to more discussions in the future. Discussions should be more constructive when the 12 is finally released and the speculation is a thing of the past. The Busa owners (at least some of us) welcome the competition that the 12 could provide and look forward to another bike capable of doing battle.

As far as my memory - sometimes it is suspect particularly during time warps on high speed Busa runs but in this case it appears intact. Concerning your Kaw contact you wrote this : "I have had the privilege of talking to a very important individual with Kawasaki, USA in Irvine, Ca. who has actually gotten some seat time on one of these new 12's. The 12 is living up to the all the hype in testing! It will out-perform the Busa in both top speed and quarter mile times.... "

Notice that no mention is made of a 9.3 sec 1/4 mile time nor was that time attributed to your Kaw source in your original post on this thread where you first claimed the 9.3 second time. So it looks like my memory is still intact even after multiple time warps on the Busa but I'm STILL unable to READ minds. (my wife fails to understand this too)

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[OB_VegasDude]

Is anyone's fingers getting tired yet? lol