Afghanistan....

[Bumblebee]

Lmao...you go tell Jocko that bs.
He is a Real American Hero, and we'll never know half the good he did.
He needs to "shut up" lmao...how about you realize he IS a Seal...and you Are Not...he knows a little more than you do on this subject.
Listen to his podcasts and you'll find out how he is...humble...and better yet...take no sh*t.
He's Not the Seal out there looking for fame and glory, he just tells it like it is.
He has the brains and connections to do whatever needs done...as he was/is the boots on the ground that do politicians dirty work and clean-up for them.
If you wanna dis' a Seal, try it on the hollywood ones...and good luck with that too.
Liberal nonsense

No need for all that.....I have worked with many SEAL teams and 99% of their members are pretty easy going...seeing Jocko is on a podcast, he will have pretty thick skin and has probably been told to shut up before, I doubt he'd even react to such a thing...

Spec Ops teams are just that, they move fast and light and have very specific missions and operations...they can operate in a conventional sense but generally don't as it takes quite a bit of support to do so. To do what he is saying would take conventional troops and a lot of them especially with the situation as it is now...these conventional troops would be going against Taliban armed and equipped very similar to themselves....and they are experts in guerilla warfare and the use of human shields....

I sure wouldn't want to be in the seat that orders this sort of operation...

 

[sixpack577]

No need for all that.....I have worked with many SEAL teams and 99% of their members are pretty easy going...seeing Jocko is on a podcast, he will have pretty thick skin and has probably been told to shut up before, I doubt he'd even react to such a thing...

Spec Ops teams are just that, they move fast and light and have very specific missions and operations...they can operate in a conventional sense but generally don't as it takes quite a bit of support to do so. To do what he is saying would take conventional troops and a lot of them especially with the situation as it is now...these conventional troops would be going against Taliban armed and equipped very similar to themselves....and they are experts in guerilla warfare and the use of human shields....

I sure wouldn't want to be in the seat that orders this sort of operation...

So....I guess we go with Biden then
there's some good news...

 

[sixpack577]

And it's not that "there's no need for that", as yes, he has thick skin, and of course doesn't need me to defend him...but I don't take kindly to someone that voted for Biden telling a Real Man and a Real Soldier to "shut up"...as if he knows or could do better.
Let the Jocko's of the world loose on these terrorist f*cks(without political liberal feel good bs to hold them back)...and the problem would get sorted out alot faster than anyone would think.
It's a WAR, unfortunately that means casualties.
And now, Biden is still trying to negotiate, lmao, it's such a joke...until you realize it isn't. It IS...Pathetic.
America has been sold out from the inside.

 

[Bumblebee]

So....I guess we go with Biden then
there's some good news...

Well, I honestly don't think it would matter who was in the big seat in the US.....this situation has gone to far to start pointing fingers and wagging tongues...

The Taliban control Afghanistan, they also control all the arms and equipment the coalition gave the ANA and ANP.....

It is in the Taliban's court as to the next move unless NATO wants to start all over again....and I know many NATO members don't and the US won't unless NATO signs off.

A very complicated state of affairs....I think the US and allies are doing a good job extracting people out of Afghanistan considering what they are up against.

I read somewhere the extraction of US troops was totally botched allowing the Taliban to seize these weapons and equipment...this is not the case as the US never intended on removing them from Afghanistan as the gear was supposed to be used by the ANA to fight and defend their country...that part didn't work out so well...

 

[captain]

Well this might change a few things..

 

[sixpack577]

Disagree there.
Trump wouldn't negotiate with terrorists, which basicslly gives them the upper hand.
Biden is a brain dead patsy.
Kamala is a clueless laughing idiot.
Pelosi is just waiting to push them both out.
The world is the same at every level; it's more Who you know than What you know.
The Democrats of today are here to hand us to China(you know, those asian guys that met with the taliban last week).

 

[sixpack577]

Well this might change a few things..


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Shocking!
The Taliban...LIED!
no way...lmao

 

[Bumblebee]

And it's not that "there's no need for that", as yes, he has thick skin, and of course doesn't need me to defend him...but I don't take kindly to someone that voted for Biden telling a Real Man and a Real Soldier to "shut up"...as if he knows or could do better.
Let the Jocko's of the world loose on these terrorist f*cks(without political liberal feel good bs to hold them back)...and the problem would get sorted out alot faster than anyone would think.
It's a WAR, unfortunately that means casualties.
And now, Biden is still trying to negotiate, lmao, it's such a joke...until you realize it isn't. It IS...Pathetic.
America has been sold out from the inside.

...as you see it....I was one of the boots on the ground in the same role as Jocko and his teams.

I can guarantee you if what was done as you suggest, the Taliban would still prevail...you could put any political body in charge within the US and the result would be the same...nothing would be sorted out any faster or more efficiently...there are international ROEs we had to follow, there is no room or desire to have rogue "cowboys" running around shooting up the place with minimal impact other than destroying property, killing civilians and gaining little else...

Negotiations are smart...if the last guy was still in charge, this would have most likely been the route he took as well...we as a coalition spent 20 yrs there, we advised their political body, we trained and equipped an army and police force so Afghanistan could stand on it's own two feet....and it fell on it's face and fell hard....

The only way to hold back the Taliban advance is to maintain a very strong NATO presence...how long do we do that? How long can we sustain that? We would have to basically have to totally take over Afghanistan as a nation and do everything required of running a nation...

 

[Bumblebee]

Disagree there.
Trump wouldn't negotiate with terrorists, which basicslly gives them the upper hand.
Biden is a brain dead patsy.
Kamala is a clueless laughing idiot.
Pelosi is just waiting to push them both out.
The world is the same at every level; it's more Who you know than What you know.
The Democrats of today are here to hand us to China(you know, those asian guys that met with the taliban last week).

This is no longer about Afghanistan but rather your own personal political alignment.....

The vision is so narrow minded, you can't see that it doesn't matter which political party is/was in power, Afghanistan would have fallen the same way...

Former president Trump would have had to do a very similar tactic or risk involving the US (and US only) in a very messy conflict...voters don't like to see their sons and daughters lives thrown away either...

 

[Bumblebee]

Well this might change a few things..


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They also said they would not extend the Aug 31st deadline....

The US has extracted (at last count) 17,000 people.....and there has been over 40,000 extracted thus far...

 

[sixpack577]

I said Without political feel good liberal bs...aka...Rules of Engagement.
How do you defeat an enemy that won't play by those rules?
Simple, play by theirs.
Do I agree with killing innocent people? Nope...but the Taliban will do it anyway if no one else does.
And once the U.S leaves, the Taliban will all go home and they'll all stay in the sand. BS, those bastards are just regrouping.
Fear is a best seller, covid has cooled off, we need to pump up terrorism threats again...
First hand experience obviously gives a much better veiw of the logistics of the situation, but the fact remains, muslim terrorists need wiped from the face of the earth, and the Jocko's of the world need their hands untied to do so.

 

[Bumblebee]

I said Without political feel good liberal bs...aka...Rules of Engagement.
How do you defeat an enemy that won't play by those rules?
Simple, play by theirs.
Do I agree with killing innocent people? Nope...but the Taliban will do it anyway if no one else does.
And once the U.S leaves, the Taliban will all go home and they'll all stay in the sand. BS, those bastards are just regrouping.
Fear is a best seller, covid has cooled off, we need to pump up terrorism threats again...
First hand experience obviously gives a much better veiw of the logistics of the situation, but the fact remains, muslim terrorists need wiped from the face of the earth, and the Jocko's of the world need their hands untied to do so.

There are laws of armed conflict which provide controls as to what civilized countries can and can't do...if we were to go into Afghanistan and act the same as the Taliban...how does that make us any better than them?

There are terrorist factions from all faiths all over the world which would be a huge challenge to "wipe off the face of the earth" All the "Jockos" of the world wouldn't put a dent into them even if they were allowed to go "rogue" It takes a lot more than projected violence to suppress these factions...

The Taliban have already re-grouped and as a result have taken over Afghanistan....even after 20 yrs of NATO might being used on them, they have prevailed like cockroaches.

There are few options available to NATO...none great...

a, we either go in there with a large force, destroy the Taliban any way necessary then spend countless years and funds rebuilding the country all the while maintaining a large occupation force complete with governing body...

b. negotiate with the Taliban and try to come to some sort of impasse (highly unlikely but one never knows) or,

c. do nothing and the Taliban will return Afghanistan to the state it was in before we went in there...

 

[Bumblebee]

I forgot one, they could place so many embargoes on Afghanistan it would bring their economy and growth to a complete stop..

There are downsides to this however, it will be taxing on the civilian population and might drive the country into the arms of a country such as China or worse....

 

[sixpack577]

To just go and kill all the terrorists with careless disregardI wouldn't make us any better than them...but it would make us better off.
No, there is no simple solution...I'm just not in favoring of negotiating with terrorists...I'm sorry 'activists' as the media now calls them...

 

[Bumblebee]

To just go and kill all the terrorists with careless disregardI wouldn't make us any better than them...but it would make us better off.
No, there is no simple solution...I'm just not in favoring of negotiating with terrorists...I'm sorry 'activists' as the media now calls them...

The Taliban can blend into their surroundings with the simple hiding of arms...giving no visible targets to engage, you'd have to kill everyone in Afghanistan to get them..

The Taliban were the governing body and not a terrorist group before the coalition invaded Afghanistan...they did turn a blind eye to the al Qaeda training camps which operated in the out-lying areas near the Pakistan border...Bin Laden was known to go back and forth from Afghanistan to Pakistan but was hard to locate as he was constantly moving.

 

[fallenarch]

Disagree there.
Trump wouldn't negotiate with terrorists, which basicslly gives them the upper hand.
Biden is a brain dead patsy.
Kamala is a clueless laughing idiot.
Pelosi is just waiting to push them both out.
The world is the same at every level; it's more Who you know than What you know.
The Democrats of today are here to hand us to China(you know, those asian guys that met with the taliban last week).

You are so uninformed, haha. Trump did negotiate with terrorists and even invited them to Camp David. That's what got us here. You can say Biden didn't execute things properly but Trump set all this withdrawal stuff in motion.

I know a lot of SEALS and I have designed several of their facilities. I was talking with a former SEAL at the range last weekend who was helping me shoot better. He said "these young guys want to be famous. We would never show our faces because we would have hell to pay if they captured us and if you were a bad enough guy they might go after your family."

 

[sixpack577]

The Taliban can blend into their surroundings with the simple hiding of arms...giving no visible targets to engage, you'd have to kill everyone in Afghanistan to get them..

The Taliban were the governing body and not a terrorist group before the coalition invaded Afghanistan...they did turn a blind eye to the al Qaeda training camps which operated in the out-lying areas near the Pakistan border...Bin Laden was known to go back and forth from Afghanistan to Pakistan but was hard to locate as he was constantly moving.

Even from my safe location here in the U.S. behind my keyboard, I am sure that trying to fight any war anywhere in the Middle East has got to be pretty futile, given the language and cultural barriers, and having an enemy that looks just like your allie.
Being the boots on the ground, intel, front lines, I obviously cannot imagine, other than you must just have to focus on the individual mission at hand, and getting your team back safely, nothing else.
Because I think if you focused on the big picture, it would be pretty overwhelming and discouraging.

 

[sixpack577]

You are so uninformed, haha. Trump did negotiate with terrorists and even invited them to Camp David. That's what got us here. You can say Biden didn't execute things properly but Trump set all this withdrawal stuff in motion.

I know a lot of SEALS and I have designed several of their facilities. I was talking with a former SEAL at the range last weekend who was helping me shoot better. He said "these young guys want to be famous. We would never show our faces because we would have hell to pay if they captured us and if you were a bad enough guy they might go after your family."

I'm uninformed...ok.
Yep, Trump would've done it the same way uncle Joe did...lmao.
Trump isn't on board with selling us to China...or their Afghan allies.
I'm not a democrat or a liberal either...thank GOD!

 

[sixpack577]

You are so uninformed, haha. Trump did negotiate with terrorists and even invited them to Camp David. That's what got us here. You can say Biden didn't execute things properly but Trump set all this withdrawal stuff in motion.

I know a lot of SEALS and I have designed several of their facilities. I was talking with a former SEAL at the range last weekend who was helping me shoot better. He said "these young guys want to be famous. We would never show our faces because we would have hell to pay if they captured us and if you were a bad enough guy they might go after your family."

OH!
And tell your Seal buddies that you said Jocko needs to "shut up" ....that oughta win their support....
gtfoh

 

[michael parris heuberger]

OH!
And tell your Seal buddies that you said Jocko needs to "shut up" ....that oughta win their support....
gtfoh

Hi I may get some 1st hand info, as my son in law is on his way to Afghanistan. I now will have 2 family members there now.