JeffSyh
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They are suppose to be destroyed, you ever see what happened when a nighthawk was shot down? It advanced china and russia light years ahead in stealth technology.
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My last sentence addresses that. No one thought the ‘surrender’ would be quicker than France in WW2. So we didn’t disable the leftover ordinance thinking (believing) their countrymen would make good use of it.
The sad thing is that overnight food prices in Afghanistan has gone up 50%, gas prices up 75% and the public cannot get money to buy anything. So 1 out of 3 people will be starving if there is no humanitarian aid.
So this is the deal, the Taliban takes over a nation with arrogance and no respect towards the rest of the world, who in turn now has to take care of the people they wish to lead.
In short it means feed the hand which bites you, irrespective of the bite including Jihad.
So this is the deal, the Taliban takes over a nation with arrogance and no respect towards the rest of the world, who in turn now has to take care of the people they wish to lead.
In short it means feed the hand which bites you, irrespective of the bite including Jihad.
Pretty hard to destroy something which at the time was supposed to be used in combat by the people we trained to use it...
Now it's too late to destroy it unless the US wants to re-declare war on Afghanistan and spend countless years and lives trying to eliminate it all.
Industrial and military espionage is still ongoing, don't think for a second that Russia or China weren't already developing their own stealth tech long before that airframe was shot down....Stealth tech has been around for many, many years...
I know all these people want to leave but do they seriously think it could have been done in the short time the coalition (specifically the US) had to do it in?
I'd imagine the entire population of Afghanistan would like to leave...it's just not feasible unless they walk out of there.
I'd imagine the entire population of Afghanistan would like to leave...it's just not feasible unless they walk out of there.
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Gosh I sure enjoyed seeing the convoy of hundreds of our hardened military vehicles driving down the roads with Taliban flags. Even more exciting was watching one of our Blackhawks flying overhead!
Thanks Uncle Joe.
Uncle Joe didn't give them those vehicles, it took years and years to get those vehicles into the hands of the ANA-that's who you should be thanking....they were SUPPOSED to be fighting for their way of life with that equipment..
In retrospect-the idea of going in, destroying the al Qaeda then getting the heck out of there was not such a bad one...and that is what Uncle Joe suggested from the onset of the mission.....
But I agree, the sight of all those tan vehicles we used and saw while there is a bit sobering...and angering....
This needs to be bolstered and strengthened:
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And as we saw them collapse within hours we could have destroyed them in mass.
I'd like to have some public hearings that explore the credentials of who trained and pronounced that 300,000 were fully trained, equipped and ready for duty.
They don't seem very well qualified military strategist.
There were several missions and countries involved in the training for years...we could train them, but that don't mean they'll fight.
Pretty hard to target all that equipment in a matter of hours...it was scattered all over Afghanistan, some was left enmasse but it would be a real challenge to identify, get assets in situ, target and then strike...
When the government of Afghanistan including it's leader leaves before the Taliban even got to the capital...that should be a sign right there there was no strategy being employed.
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Did we train any to be pilots of helicopters? Aircraft? Tank operators?
Of course....we trained them in tactics, convoy ops, support, maintenance, leadership, etc....
I will guarantee there will be former ANA who will defect to the Taliban and help them gain capabilities...
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And I'm not trying to argue your answer. How did we determine how to teach someone how to fly an advanced weapons platform that has no formal education? You don't just learn to fly because you like helicopters.
It would make sense that we trained them in close combat and infantry and light weaponry use. That's fairly basic an on par with the enemy.
The Taliban don't have aircraft do they?
FWIW
I graduated high school in 1995.
From my earliest memories, I wanted to be a helicopter pilot in the Army.
So, took the ASVAB, scored high, was offered any entry level position in any branch...helicopter pilot it is.
Red/green colorblind, screws in bones, and flat feet got me denied on medical.
I went back 2 more times, denied, and had that recruiter appeal my case to the Surgeon General...6 weeks later...I was denied from All branches. Yay, sucked, but just wasn't meant to be obviously.
Anyway, my prior life long interest had me talking with every military helicopter pilot at every air show, and any military guys for whatever they would tell me.
In those days you had to be 19 to attend Warrant Officer flight training...a 6 week program, with you flying next to the pilot on day 3.
They claimed there was nothing to it, aside from taking off and landing, the hard parts(lmao).
Sadly enough, if anyone recalls or cares to look, the U.S Army had a terrible run of helicopter crashes throughout the 90's and early 2000's, and insuficient training was the reason given...suprise.
So, with all that said, my time riding in helicopters and bs'n with pilots, and the advancements in technology, I can't find it hard to belive that you can learn to half-ass fly with little instruction.
Which is really awesome, because it should be just enough to get them in the air...before they F something up...and find out helicopters can't glide...but they unfortunately will make good sucide flights.
How do say kamakazie in Arabic?
lol
I graduated high school in 1995.
From my earliest memories, I wanted to be a helicopter pilot in the Army.
So, took the ASVAB, scored high, was offered any entry level position in any branch...helicopter pilot it is.
Red/green colorblind, screws in bones, and flat feet got me denied on medical.
I went back 2 more times, denied, and had that recruiter appeal my case to the Surgeon General...6 weeks later...I was denied from All branches. Yay, sucked, but just wasn't meant to be obviously.
Anyway, my prior life long interest had me talking with every military helicopter pilot at every air show, and any military guys for whatever they would tell me.
In those days you had to be 19 to attend Warrant Officer flight training...a 6 week program, with you flying next to the pilot on day 3.
They claimed there was nothing to it, aside from taking off and landing, the hard parts(lmao).
Sadly enough, if anyone recalls or cares to look, the U.S Army had a terrible run of helicopter crashes throughout the 90's and early 2000's, and insuficient training was the reason given...suprise.
So, with all that said, my time riding in helicopters and bs'n with pilots, and the advancements in technology, I can't find it hard to belive that you can learn to half-ass fly with little instruction.
Which is really awesome, because it should be just enough to get them in the air...before they F something up...and find out helicopters can't glide...but they unfortunately will make good sucide flights.
How do say kamakazie in Arabic?
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The Taliban never had aircraft but they can recruit whatever they need from the pool of zealots around the planet..
The Afghan pilots and air crew were trained in the US, they flew everything from Blackhawks to C-130s. Their flying weapons systems were pretty limited.
They were also trained in how to drive and use the MRAPs and armored HUMMVEEs as well as other ground vehicles....the Taliban can probably quickly adapt as their numbers have been bolstered by foreign fighters over the years as we killed and captured thousands of them...
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Yeah I was going to say that. Besides they can hire people to train them. The bigger problem is parts. When we left Iran when the Shaw fell we left a sophisticated air force complete with F-4's. But they quickly became dysfunctional and they had to scavenge parts. They can go black but I don't think they can run an army on black market parts and we could find them easily too.
And so it starts:
Taliban announce new government for Afghanistan Taliban announce new government for Afghanistan
My guess is we will be back in Afghanistan some time in the future.
Taliban announce new government for Afghanistan Taliban announce new government for Afghanistan
My guess is we will be back in Afghanistan some time in the future.
No surprise there...
I'm not so sure there will be another invasion like the last one....the Taliban know the only reason they were able to come to power is that the coalition forces pulled out.
It was 2011 since the coalition was there in force, the Taliban had all that time to gain in strength.
The scary side to all of this is which country will the new government align itself with...China? Russia? Pakistan?
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