Afghanistan....

[Bumblebee]

The video below shows a large Taliban show of power parade, this would have been an awesome time for a B-52 carpet bomb strike followed up by a few sqns of A-10s to mop them all up....

A simple way of rendering US equipment inoperable...and if a few Taliban get caught in the fire...oh well...

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

The video below shows a large Taliban show of power parade, this would have been an awesome time for a B-52 carpet bomb strike followed up by a few sqns of A-10s to mop them all up....

A simple way of rendering US equipment inoperable...and if a few Taliban get caught in the fire...oh well...

The former potus would have done it.
The current one is a p***y…
The whole world is literally laughing at our weakness right now.
You think they are just gonna sit around with all the hardware and never do anything with it? Men whose entire lives have been nothing but war are gonna be peaceful? Of course not. They will use that against somebody soon enough guaranteed.

 

[Bumblebee]

The former potus would have done it.
The current one is a p***y…
The whole world is literally laughing at our weakness right now.
You think they are just gonna sit around with all the hardware and never do anything with it? Men whose entire lives have been nothing but war are gonna be peaceful? Of course not. They will use that against somebody soon enough guaranteed.

We'll never know how the former president would have broached this....

The Taliban have already used it on their own people...before the NATO invasion the Taliban ruled Afghanistan and were always on the prowl but never really engaged in any battles outside their country, they had a few skirmishes along their borders and that was about it.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

We'll never know how the former president would have broached this....

The Taliban have already used it on their own people...before the NATO invasion the Taliban ruled Afghanistan and were always on the prowl but never really engaged in any battles outside their country, they had a few skirmishes along their borders and that was about it.

Don’t be coy. We both know what Trump would have done with this sh!tshow.
Just ask Qassam Solemeini…

 

[Bumblebee]

Don’t be coy. We both know what Trump would have done with this sh!tshow.
Just ask Qassam Solemeini…

It's a different beast launching an assassination operation from an occupied country (Iraq) to launching an offensive in a non-occupied country like Afghanistan.

Would I like to have seen a strike on them at that particular time and day.......certainly........do I think it would have been possible....no sadly enough....

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

It's a different beast launching an assassination operation from an occupied country (Iraq) to launching an offensive in a non-occupied country like Afghanistan.

Would I like to have seen a strike on them at that particular time and day.......certainly........do I think it would have been possible....no sadly enough....

That’s not true at all. As you said a few B52s and DONE!
Trump would have done it for sure guaranteed. No way he would have allowed them to flaunt that in the worlds face. There would be zero consequences in destroying our own equipment too.
Start off with dropping flyers warning them that any Talib seen in an American piece of equipment is subject to smithereens and if they ignore it than WHAM!!

 

[Bumblebee]

That’s not true at all. As you said a few B52s and DONE!
Trump would have done it for sure guaranteed. No way he would have allowed them to flaunt that in the worlds face. There would be zero consequences in destroying our own equipment too.
Start off with dropping flyers warning them that any Talib seen in an American piece of equipment is subject to smithereens and if they ignore it than WHAM!!

Logistically it's possible obviously as the air power has the reach, it's the ethics of basically attacking a sovereign country as much as we hate them, we just can't up and attack them. It's no longer (and never was) American owned equipment, it was ANA/ANP equipment of American manufacture.

The Taliban are experts in disappearing into the masses...drop leaflets and you'd never catch them in the open....they might be a lot of things but are very capable.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Logistically it's possible obviously as the air power has the reach, it's the ethics of basically attacking a sovereign country as much as we hate them, we just can't up and attack them. It's no longer (and never was) American owned equipment, it was ANA/ANP equipment of American manufacture.

The Taliban are experts in disappearing into the masses...drop leaflets and you'd never catch them in the open....they might be a lot of things but are very capable.

So let them disappear. That would be the point. This way nobody gets hurts when we obliterate the equipment. You’re right, a large portion of it was ANA equipment. But as soon as they abandoned it it’s fair game. We should still be flying missions destroying anything we can find. But nah…let spend billions in ukraine why don’t we…

 

[Bumblebee]

So let them disappear. That would be the point. This way nobody gets hurts when we obliterate the equipment. You’re right, a large portion of it was ANA equipment. But as soon as they abandoned it it’s fair game. We should still be flying missions destroying anything we can find. But nah…let spend billions in ukraine why don’t we…

We can't compare what happened in the Ukraine, they were invaded and faced destruction without help-and they asked for help.......besides it's a great way to battle test new weapon platforms without actually putting boots on the ground to do it...

As long as the Taliban stay in Afghanistan, letting them play with their new toys doesn't really affect anyone..it's just a piss off for all us Afghanistan veterans to see them flaunting them and marching around like an organized military.

 

[Bumblebee]

Now that the Taliban have been back in power for a year, almost everything western countries implemented is all been dissolved. The young people who grew up without Taliban influence are now feeling the effects of how they rule.

That being said, not one person is standing up to them or working towards toppling them which says a lot.

It was once explained that they are almost all Taliban depending on the price.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Now that the Taliban have been back in power for a year, almost everything western countries implemented is all been dissolved. The young people who grew up without Taliban influence are now feeling the effects of how they rule.

That being said, not one person is standing up to them or working towards toppling them which says a lot.

It was once explained that they are almost all Taliban depending on the price.

We spent twenty years there spilling the blood of many and accomplished ZILCH. And now thanks to us they are much better armed than they could have ever dreamed of becoming. Nobody would have even sold them what we gave them for free. Truly is a black spot on American history in my opinion.

 

[Bumblebee]

We spent twenty years there spilling the blood of many and accomplished ZILCH. And now thanks to us they are much better armed than they could have ever dreamed of becoming. Nobody would have even sold them what we gave them for free. Truly is a black spot on American history in my opinion.

There seems to be very few victories in recent history...

Korea was fought to a stalemate, Viet Nam was a total loss, Iraq only served to de-stabilize the middle east, Syria was a mess, Libya was a mess, Somalia was a mess, and the list goes on and on and on........

Afghanistan was a place we could have spent generations trying to sort out but would have never succeeded. And it ended up being a mess...

The idea behind the equipment they got was that the ANA would have been using it to keep the Taliban at bay....and that didn't work out as the ANA/ANP walked (ran) away. The proper time to decommission it was during the independence day parade they recently held...a few cruise missiles would have taken care of most of it (and a few of them).

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

There seems to be very few victories in recent history...

Korea was fought to a stalemate, Viet Nam was a total loss, Iraq only served to de-stabilize the middle east, Syria was a mess, Libya was a mess, Somalia was a mess, and the list goes on and on and on........

Afghanistan was a place we could have spent generations trying to sort out but would have never succeeded. And it ended up being a mess...

The idea behind the equipment they got was that the ANA would have been using it to keep the Taliban at bay....and that didn't work out as the ANA/ANP walked (ran) away. The proper time to decommission it was during the independence day parade they recently held...a few cruise missiles would have taken care of most of it (and a few of them).

Comes a point when one has to ask if all our failures were done on purpose.

 

[TallTom]

There seems to be very few victories in recent history...

Korea was fought to a stalemate, Viet Nam was a total loss, Iraq only served to de-stabilize the middle east, Syria was a mess, Libya was a mess, Somalia was a mess, and the list goes on and on and on........

Afghanistan was a place we could have spent generations trying to sort out but would have never succeeded. And it ended up being a mess...

The idea behind the equipment they got was that the ANA would have been using it to keep the Taliban at bay....and that didn't work out as the ANA/ANP walked (ran) away. The proper time to decommission it was during the independence day parade they recently held...a few cruise missiles would have taken care of most of it (and a few of them).

Those outcomes were as a result of limited engagement rules. We won everything where we could "take our gloves off" and eliminate our enemy. Korea was the beginning of "limit our engagement" rules.

Our last victory came at the hands of Reagan. He was a firm believer in "carry a big stick" and whack em as needed.

My last "in the weeds" time was spent on the Khadfi raid. We missed him, barely. And he knew it! We never heard a peep out of him from that day forward.

Nobody since has taken that stance. We could have and should have made a glass blow out of Iraq. Instead Bush tried the same approach that failed in Afghanistan. Let's take out the leadership and let the people peacefully install it's leadership using Democracy.

Its been a great plan so many times. (Sarcasm).

 

[Bumblebee]

Comes a point when one has to ask if all our failures were done on purpose.

I wouldn't ask that as I don't believe it to be so...

 

[Bumblebee]

Those outcomes were as a result of limited engagement rules. We won everything where we could "take our gloves off" and eliminate our enemy. Korea was the beginning of "limit our engagement" rules.

Our last victory came at the hands of Reagan. He was a firm believer in "carry a big stick" and whack em as needed.

My last "in the weeds" time was spent on the Khadfi raid. We missed him, barely. And he knew it! We never heard a peep out of him from that day forward.

Nobody since has taken that stance. We could have and should have made a glass blow out of Iraq. Instead Bush tried the same approach that failed in Afghanistan. Let's take out the leadership and let the people peacefully install it's leadership using Democracy.

Its been a great plan so many times. (Sarcasm).

Commitment to the cause was the biggest issue in many of these conflicts. What was the cost and what was the end reward?

As a fighting force, there were many victories but as a political force there were many failures. Many of these leaders were put in place by western powers-Saddam, Kadafi, Bin Laden were all trained and supported (at one point) by the west.....they were also disposed of by the west.

I still say Bin Laden is a manager in some 7/11 in the US.

 

[TallTom]

Commitment to the cause was the biggest issue in many of these conflicts. What was the cost and what was the end reward?

As a fighting force, there were many victories but as a political force there were many failures. Many of these leaders were put in place by western powers-Saddam, Kadafi, Bin Laden were all trained and supported (at one point) by the west.....they were also disposed of by the west.

I still say Bin Laden is a manager in some 7/11 in the US.

I know it sounds like the Bully at School playground but we used to keep stability by controlling who led. I have a good friend who is if Iranian decent. He is now a citizen here. He grew up in an Iran ruled by the Shah we installed. In his younger self, he supported that overthrow because we'll young men filled with Testosterone and anger.

He goes back at least twice a year to visit family. He readily says the best days were the days when the U. S. led Shah built that country up.

Iraq was stable when Hussein did what we needed. Was he a ruthless tyrant? Damn sure was. But not to us. And compared to what now?

 

[Kiwi Rider]

. . . . I still say Bin Laden is a manager in some 7/11 in the US.

. . . wasn't he ... "buried at sea" ???? bwahahahahahah!
or is he in South America . . that's where all the 'bad' guys get a free pass to isn't it?
(the Nazi officers were aided by the Red Cross to escape the "justice" of the West were they not? think Adolf Eichmann . . . but then those pesky Mossad agents hunted them down and 'brought them to justice')

 

[Bumblebee]

I know it sounds like the Bully at School playground but we used to keep stability by controlling who led. I have a good friend who is if Iranian decent. He is now a citizen here. He grew up in an Iran ruled by the Shah we installed. In his younger self, he supported that overthrow because we'll young men filled with Testosterone and anger.

He goes back at least twice a year to visit family. He readily says the best days were the days when the U. S. led Shah built that country up.

Iraq was stable when Hussein did what we needed. Was he a ruthless tyrant? Damn sure was. But not to us. And compared to what now?

The west has de-stabilized a region that has been working for over a thousand years-somehow we just have to have everyone looking and thinking like we do and it never works out well.

I've seen the result of forced western culture in many of these countries and the loathing it created towards us. Kind of like what was done in Africa in the early years, that experiment went very wrong as well.

 

[Bumblebee]

. . . wasn't he ... "buried at sea" ???? bwahahahahahah!
or is he in South America . . that's where all the 'bad' guys get a free pass to isn't it?
(the Nazi officers were aided by the Red Cross to escape the "justice" of the West were they not? think Adolf Eichmann . . . but then those pesky Mossad agents hunted them down and 'brought them to justice')

Of many things I question, this one is at the top of my list....

Every western country was searching for Bin Laden for years and when the US found hm, they killed him and dumped his body at sea? Really? We were told this happened so he wouldn't become a martyr and a rallying point for other extremist groups...

No thought was put into this when they captured Saddam or blew up Khadafi......