Anyone ever carry while riding...

[Ken02busa]

quoting Rubbersidedown
You have to pass extensive courses just to get a rifle for hunting.Its damb near impossible to get handguns and automatic weapons can only be owned by legitimate collectors.......

Not true Rub, I am a Government of Alberta Verifier, a certified Range Safety Officer, and a hunter. I have had guns, including automatics, handguns, rifles, shotguns all my life, and I live in Alberta.
My wife can take the 2 hour Firearms safety course, and buy any non-restricted firearm made. Then she can take the 1 hour certification course, and buy any semi-automoatic handgun.
It is incredibly easy to get guns in Canada, but propoganda handed out by liberals makes people think they are evil and hard to get/buy/own.

I have competed in IPSC, taught firearm safety, taken the RCMP proficiency course (97%, proud of that one) and love to show people anything I can about firearms. Anyone over the age of 16 with a clear criminal record can legally own handguns and rifles in Canada.

I'll sleep better at night knowing that....

no I wont. Now there are more ways for me to get killed.

I can do ok against a knife,baseball bat,rock,2x4.... but now some fukk just broke into your house,stole your arsenal,and is headed for my house.

 Ya,guns are great.


this is one of those topics that nobody will switch sides on.

 Is the world better off without guns?

 You'd have to be insane to say we need them.

We don't. Just factor in the kids who accidently get killed with them each year.

Sorry Rub, I guess ignorance is bliss. I would rather be 'in the know' when it comes to things like this, I continually watch for lumps in jackets, and handguns in guys hands on the highway.

I am more scared of some guy with a rock or knife in a 711 than I am of someone having a handgun in Canada.
I have never said that we need them, I shoot targets because I am good at it, I shoot deer because I like the meat. I dont keep a gun for protection, I live in a small town and not a city because I dont want to have to have a gun for protection.



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[rubbersidedown]

quoting Rubbersidedown
You have to pass extensive courses just to get a rifle for hunting.Its damb near impossible to get handguns and automatic weapons can only be owned by legitimate collectors.......

Not true Rub, I am a Government of Alberta Verifier, a certified Range Safety Officer, and a hunter. I have had guns, including automatics, handguns, rifles, shotguns all my life, and I live in Alberta.
My wife can take the 2 hour Firearms safety course, and buy any non-restricted firearm made. Then she can take the 1 hour certification course, and buy any semi-automoatic handgun.
It is incredibly easy to get guns in Canada, but propoganda handed out by liberals makes people think they are evil and hard to get/buy/own.

I have competed in IPSC, taught firearm safety, taken the RCMP proficiency course (97%, proud of that one) and love to show people anything I can about firearms. Anyone over the age of 16 with a clear criminal record can legally own handguns and rifles in Canada.

I'll sleep better at night knowing that....

no I wont. Now there are more ways for me to get killed.

I can do ok against a knife,baseball bat,rock,2x4.... but now some fukk just broke into your house,stole your arsenal,and is headed for my house.

Ya,guns are great.


this is one of those topics that nobody will switch sides on.

Is the world better off without guns?

You'd have to be insane to say we need them.

We don't. Just factor in the kids who accidently get killed with them each year. The psycho's who get there hands on them.


A lot less innocent kids would have died at Colombine if those 2 brain damaged fukks came in with bats or knives.

they didn't thou....they came in with automatic weapons.


Yup,guns are great alright. We should make more...and sell 'em cheaper.


All you guys packin...do you feel safer,or tuffer,or more manly? Unless its loaded under yer pillow,or taped to your chest,it isn't gonna do squat for ya.

A dirtbag comes up with his gun drawn,what are ya gonna do,ask him to hold on while you dismount,pull up yer pant leg,or search yer tankbag?

Then if you do kill somebody by shooting them in the back...here in this country...you have used "Excessive Force" no matter what the crime may have been. As soon as you shoot someone in the back,it says to the law...they were leaving,running away, therefore you didn't have to kill to protect yourself. In fact,you just became a vigilante. lets assume the laws are different elsewhere. There will still be an' inquest,perhaps a trial....lawyers fees,headaches,time off work,yadda yadda ya. I'm sure your employer will welcome you back after you phone him to say you wont be in for a week or two....you just pumped 9 into a 14 year old kid who pulled a rubber gun on you asking for 20 dollars.

Good luck to all you "packers" hopefully you never have to use deadly force,and if you do,hopefully its not over a tv set or twenty bucks.

I guess if you never get the chance to blow someone outa there boots,you've wasted that gun money and could have spent it on something good. Something for your kids,or your wife. perhaps a good charity thats trying to get guns off the streets.

To each his.... sad that we have any guns at all if you ask me. Worlds better off without all this shooting.


ol' fashioned,stuck in a time warp,to proud to change..... RSD.

 

[FloydV]

Guns suck.

No they don't...period.

Guns are certainly not for everybody and anyone who is not fully understanding of the magnitude, concequences, and responsibilities of owning a firearm...shouldn't. Or even if you just not comfortable. But I take exception to the "liberal"

(insert favortite appropriate term here) person or organization including the democratic party

) wanting to infringe on said 2nd amendment.

Although I have a permit, I have not been carrying in the summer but I've been thinking about it, being on a bike. I don't own one of these but Kahr makes an excellant conceal weapon. Might get one of those.

Now as for gun porn....heh heh heh...I can do

Like the Kimber and the Colt. Now that other thing...I've seen better metal on a screen door. OK, you like it, so I'll take it back.
1911 was a very good year.

 

[rubbersidedown]

Sorry Rub, I guess ignorance is bliss. I would rather be 'in the know' when it comes to things like this, I continually watch for lumps in jackets, and handguns in guys hands on the highway.

I am more scared of some guy with a rock or knife in a 711 than I am of someone having a handgun in Canada.

You are so scared that you continually watch for lumps in jackets. WOW.

I look for lumps in jackets too. 5' 6" maybe a little taller,blonde hair,tight jeans...maybe a tube top.

i kinda feel sorry for ya dude. yer constantly scanning for guns.....here.....in Canada. it must sukk to be you. I never have once considered someone might be armed in my city. I suggest you get councilling,or,if its that bad...MOVE.


lets say some guy asks for your wallet outside 7-11,what are ya gonna do? Run to yer truck,undo the trigger lock,load a magazine etc....

if its in yer pocket loaded....yer the criminal.

 

[Ken02busa]

I DONT carry. Never have or will. Until we become Montana North.
Just like the idea of shooting paper targets and gophers. I dont believe guns are evit, I mean you can kill someone with a paper airplane if you cut them enough times or stuff their breathing holes with it.

Damn now guys are going to scream ban paper airplanes!!! my kids are going to be pissed at me

 

[FloydV]

Back to the topic at hand...

I have carried my P229 in a shoulder holster under my jacket quite a bit, but I want to get a smaller/lighter sidearm to carry on my person..many times I just throw a derringer in the tankbag....or in my pocket.

sorry...didn't mean to fuggin' bore ya...

Not boring. I sleep with a .45 tucked between a water bed mattress and the side rail. I have a dead bolt on my bedroom door. My reasoning is that you are most vulnerable when you are asleep, and any body nuts enough to break down a dead bolted door will wake me up and get what they deserve.

Hope it never happens, but I'd rather have my Colt than my #### in my hand if it does.

 

[manatrader]

Just curious if anyone carrys a concealed weapon when riding or travelling on extended trips...if so how do you go about carrying it? (tankbag, leather jacket, etc.)

Not for me, I have a concealed weapons permit, but if you go out of state it becomes a felony, don't even want to touch that since I would be unemployed too.

I like my bike but its not worth a gun battle, thats what insurance and the cops are for.

 

[manatrader]

Having a conceal and carry license doesn't allow you to carry a loaded firearm on/in a motor vehicle.  Ask any LEO.  Just my .02

Not true in PA.ccl means you can carry anywhere you want accept the courthouse

Not true in WA, you can carry loaded and one in the chamber just about any place other than, bars, airports, schools and court.

 

[rybraun]

Guns suck.  

Guns don't kill people, idiots do.

 

[rybraun]

Guns suck.  

Cool Gimmie you're address so I can come buy an take all your stuff,  slap you around while there, and have NO fear of your being able to defend yourself.  

OH OH, I'll even let ya call the Cops when I show up, so you can see just how useless they are at PREVENTING CRIME, they will show up just in time to take some pictures, tell ya how everything will be OK, and leave you a report.

Guns don't suck, they are tools just like anything else and allow a person to take PERSONAL responsibility for their own safety and that of their property and family.  Otherwise Folks just cry like a little girls with a skinned knees and they start calling politicians to take "action" doing whatever they can to try to take the focus off their inability to grow a sack, and take responsibility for their own safety.  

Anyhoo, hope that satifies your apparant desire for a response.

*Hugs*

Rev

Nope.  My response was generated from experiences in my life that you would never understand because you were born and raised in a society that honestly believes it is their God given right to kill people.  It is not, period.  I am not Liberal or Conservative and my comment had no bearing whatsoever on my political preferrences or vice versa.  Too many people die in this country because of guns.  The whole argument that guns don't kill people, people kill people is simply poor logic.  If there were fewer guns, there would be fewer deaths.  That is accurate.

If you had your way the only peole with guns would be criminals.

 

[rybraun]

quoting Rubbersidedown
You have to pass extensive courses just to get a rifle for hunting.Its damb near impossible to get handguns and automatic weapons can only be owned by legitimate collectors.......

Not true Rub, I am a Government of Alberta Verifier, a certified Range Safety Officer, and a hunter. I have had guns, including automatics, handguns, rifles, shotguns all my life, and I live in Alberta.
My wife can take the 2 hour Firearms safety course, and buy any non-restricted firearm made. Then she can take the 1 hour certification course, and buy any semi-automoatic handgun.
It is incredibly easy to get guns in Canada, but propoganda handed out by liberals makes people think they are evil and hard to get/buy/own.

I have competed in IPSC, taught firearm safety, taken the RCMP proficiency course (97%, proud of that one) and love to show people anything I can about firearms. Anyone over the age of 16 with a clear criminal record can legally own handguns and rifles in Canada.

I'll sleep better at night knowing that....

no I wont. Now there are more ways for me to get killed.

I can do ok against a knife,baseball bat,rock,2x4.... but now some fukk just broke into your house,stole your arsenal,and is headed for my house.

 Ya,guns are great.


this is one of those topics that nobody will switch sides on.

 Is the world better off without guns?

 You'd have to be insane to say we need them.

We don't. Just factor in the kids who accidently get killed with them each year.

Those are the kids who can't take an ass whooping any more. No disrespect, but what happend to the days where you took your lumps and walked away, todays kids are pussies who can't take a whooping and want a gun. All today's youth want is an easy way out and be entitled to everything.

 

[TruWrecks]

The lowdown in Washington and Oregon states: You can carry (with a CWL) anywhere EXCEPT public schools, courthouses, federal goverment property (includes military property), airports, anywhere the owner of a business has posted a sign at the door that says "No Weapons Allowed", and the Post Office (Only because they post a sign forbidding it).

Washington DC is easier to list. NO GUNS ALLOWED! And to think, it's the peacetime "Murder Capital of the World"!

Let's try a little logic now. There are millions of guns in the U.S. right now. I even have a few of them. If it was suddely illegal to own a gun, then the only people that would have them would be the criminals. Then we would see some really bad mojo!

To be more accurate about how guns work. Guns make it EASIER to kill people. It's absolutely true that fewer people would have been hurt at the Coloumbine High School if guns weren't involved! But where did 2 15 year old KIDS get the guns?

The shooters at CHS got the guns from their parents houses, and other people that didn't secure their guns! If their parents had been more responsible, more people would still be alive! Be TOTALLY ACCOUNTABLE for your guns, and how you store them!

I have 2 kids. I have an auto within arms reach at night. My kids couldn't use it if they found it. It's loaded, and locked. It takes me a few seconds to unsecure it for use, if I need it (Thank God I haven't had too yet, but I wouldn't hesitate if I had to protect my family). I keep the others in a gun safe, and I keep the keys on my person.

No, I don't carry right now, but I used too. I want to renew me CWL in Washington and Oregon. I have a shoulder rigs that can pack a Walther P99 w/2 spare mags, and a Desert Eagle .50AE. It's heavy, but pretty well balanced.

For those that pack in a tank bag. Please don't! The second you loose control of your gun, you've given another idiot more power that they can responsibly handle! Keep it on you! I rather break a rib or two, than find out that someone else was killed with my gun, because I crashed the bike and some kid found it in the tank bag! If you're unconcious when the ambulace comes for you, how are you going to ask them to get the bag?

 

[TruWrecks]

BTW...

The world would only be a better place if guns were never invented, or humans didn't exists! Maybe both!

 

[jt02busa]

i carry my glock 26 (nice and small) in my inside holster inside my jacket pocket and i am totally legal

 

[steelhead]

We talk about guns as tools, but the best tool you have is your brain. Riding a motorcycle and packing heat says alot. It means you aren't afraid to die, and you're not afraid to take others out, too. Pretty extreme stuff. Self Defense, hardcore style.

Consider this. I just came back (yesterday) from a 4 day long-range tour when four guys in a car pull up beside me in a small town at midnight. One guy jumps out and tells me to give him a ride on my busa. He tells me to remove all my gear. I smile, look every single one of them in the eye, and tell them how sorry I can't oblige them, and ride away where they cannot follow. If I had a gun, things may not have turned out that way.

But if you insist on carrying heat, be aware that it may actually escalate the situation rather than defuse it.

Now, a gun in a house is different. Protecting your family from a guy coming into your house is much more serious and compelling, no? But what happens if you wind up shooting your children, or if the robber (who never intended on harming your family) sees your gun and puts a knife to your kid's throat demanding that you give him your weapon (in his fear)? Rather than defuse the situation, it becomes even more dangerous. Thus, I would think installing a nice alarm system and security door that separates the lower and upper levels of the house is the safer route.

But some still say guns are the best solution when all else fails. And if they insist on it, it is their freedom to insist. I do not condemn it, I just think intelligence is the crucial factor...not to act out of fear and to not press the panic button so quickly. Acting out of fear and killing is not what a man does, it is what an animal does when cornered. We, as intelligent beings, should not resort to guns because it is a right. The armed citizen is only that, armed. Armed can mean many things, and following one train of logic does not solve the underlying problems of our society.

Anyways...Busa's rule...eat lead...rock on...whatever.

 

[mjn]

We talk about guns as tools, but the best tool you have is your brain. Riding a motorcycle and packing heat says alot. It means you aren't afraid to die, and you're not afraid to take others out, too. Pretty extreme stuff. Self Defense, hardcore style.

Consider this. I just came back (yesterday) from a 4 day long-range tour when four guys in a car pull up beside me in a small town at midnight. One guy jumps out and tells me to give him a ride on my busa. He tells me to remove all my gear. I smile, look every single one of them in the eye, and tell them how sorry I can't oblige them, and ride away where they cannot follow. If I had a gun, things may not have turned out that way.

But if you insist on carrying heat, be aware that it may actually escalate the situation rather than defuse it.

Now, a gun in a house is different. Protecting your family from a guy coming into your house is much more serious and compelling, no? But what happens if you wind up shooting your children, or if the robber (who never intended on harming your family) sees your gun and puts a knife to your kid's throat demanding that you give him your weapon (in his fear)? Rather than defuse the situation, it becomes even more dangerous. Thus, I would think installing a nice alarm system and security door that separates the lower and upper levels of the house is the safer route.  

But some still say guns are the best solution when all else fails. And if they insist on it, it is their freedom to insist. I do not condemn it, I just think intelligence is the crucial factor...not to act out of fear and to not press the panic button so quickly. Acting out of fear and killing is not what a man does, it is what an animal does when cornered.  We, as intelligent beings, should not resort to guns because it is a right. The armed citizen is only that, armed. Armed can mean many things, and following one train of logic does not solve the underlying problems of our society.

Anyways...Busa's rule...eat lead...rock on...whatever.

Excellent post. Very, very well said. As I indicated before, a firearm is absolutely a last resort.

An individuals ability to use his mellon is more important than any weapon.

Allways do everything possible to get out of a situation without the use of deadly force.

 

[Revlis]

Well put, sir.

I honestly didn't make my statement that "guns suck" to piss you NRA folks off. If I did, I apologize. Hey, I live in America and I'm used to being the lone dissenter on the gun topic. You guys can keep carrying pistols like it's the wild wild west, I don't care. I choose not to. That is all.

I wouldn't sweat it, I could give a crap really. I think the NRA is by and large a pack of overzealous meat heads who do WAY more Harm than good for the IMAGE of gun owners. They do fight off the a55hats when they want to BAN something Else or whatever though.

Mostly, with your concise, little two word reply it was obvious that you were fishing for some drama, you had planted that little powder keg and I just figured I'd light the fuse for ya... Devils advocate, Fire Starter, whatever.

 

[mjn]

Well put, sir.

I honestly didn't make my statement that "guns suck" to piss you NRA folks off.  If I did, I apologize.  Hey, I live in America and I'm used to being the lone dissenter on the gun topic.  You guys can keep carrying pistols like it's the wild wild west, I don't care.  I choose not to.  That is all.

I wouldn't sweat it, I could give a crap really.  I think the NRA is by and large a pack of overzealous meat heads who do WAY more Harm than good for the IMAGE of gun owners.  They do fight off the a55hats when they want to BAN something Else or whatever though.

Mostly, with your concise, little two word reply it was obvious that you were fishing for some drama, you had planted that little powder keg and I just figured I'd light the fuse for ya...  Devils advocate, Fire Starter, whatever.

Couldn't have said it better.

I too have been less than impressed with the NRA of late. So many of thier tactics make me feel like I'm in a used car dealership back in the 70's. Just plain tacky. I havent renewed my NRA membership for awhile now.....

 

[BigGeorge]

Because of the department I worked for it allowed me to carry in any state I wanted for protection... and I did. I was a combat instructor, and had a host of other titles too. I still have my CCL but honestly the drama and bravado and responsiblity of having a gun on me has long passed and I carry only occasionally. One of the first demos during my firearms instruction was for an officer to draw his weapon and I'd disarm him almost immediately. Something like that shows people how vulnerable they really are when they don't know how to PROTECT their weapon. With that said, people who are "accomplished" on a range have little to no idea what it takes to protect themselves... but they can shoot the heck out of a piece of paper.

It's retarded that all we have to I'm is pass a safety couse and we can get a license to carry. I'm all about people having the right to carry. But if you've NEVER had to pull your gun to protect yourself - closequarters or not - and you're not prepared for that, the chances of a fataility is remarkably high. Or you loose your gun to a badguy; explain that one to your buddies!

This isn't directed at everyone. If you're trained then you know what I'm saying. If you're not, then you're probably flexing and thinking "no way anyone's gettin' my Glock."

I don't know a damn thing about nunchucks, I certainly wouldn't carry them!

-G

 

[cmc8]

i carry every time i ride. i have a pocket in my jacket, a shoulder holster, and an ankle holster, have to have all the options.