Carpenter Racing 1441 kit for Gen 3

[mark3evo]

I thank god everyday that im able to work a little overtime and stay afolat long term... i dont know how retirees on a limited income can sustain throughout this. They must have to cut out takeout food/ going to restaurants/ going on vacations/ cut out alot of shyt because of the rising costs of EVERYTHING. I feel bad for the people who worked hard their whole lives and didnt earn HUGE money that have to deal with this. It didnt have to go this way.

i retired at 58 (why i did not know how long i would live after cancer diagnosis at 56) , prior to that bundled alot of my savings into stocks and shares pension funds - i do alright, even in a bad year which 2022 is/was
having an inheritance from my Father helped

i could go out and buy a Gen3 tomorrow and turbo it, but i'm happy with my 1406cc Gen2 ..... for the time being

my next tranche of income is in 2028 when i receive $1200/month from UK Government and my wife gets her $1300/m in 2030

 

[Martin.UK]

i retired at 58 (why i did not know how long i would live after cancer diagnosis at 56) , prior to that bundled alot of my savings into stocks and shares pension funds - i do alright, even in a bad year which 2022 is/was
having an inheritance from my Father helped

i could go out and buy a Gen3 tomorrow and turbo it, but i'm happy with my 1406cc Gen2 ..... for the time being

my next tranche of income is in 2028 when i receive $1200/month from UK Government and my wife gets her $1300/m in 2030

And you told me you was poor

 

[mark3evo]

And you told me you was poor

i could do , if i spent it on that i would be more poor

i could easily live another 30 years

i just called to see one of my friends mothers - known her 40 years, she is 90 tomorrow still driving a stick-shift car , her marbles still there, still does exercises.

you would think she is in her early seventies, she does buddhism and is always happy and laughing a lot

 

[TheGza]

It is no secret now that excpet power suzuki has worked a LOT on gen3.

I don't understand why everybody keeps talking about power. The Gen 2 made 194 at the crank the Gen 3 makes 188 at the crank. And the Gen 3 still out accelerates the Gen 2. Every test I've seen if you change the exhaust and got rid of the Euro 5 cats the Gen 3 makes the same power the Gen 2 does with the same exhaust and it's a stronger motor. And all honesty unless you are a professional racer and even then I would question it I don't believe there is anybody in here that can tell the difference between six Peak horsepower at a given RPM

 

[TonyM995]

This is how I feel about all the negative comments about the Gen 3

 

[dcnblues]

im gald u feel that way because 17 years later and suzuki only found 13-17 HP.

At the top. The rest is sooner. Sooner power is better.

 

[ottafish]

I don't understand why everybody keeps talking about power. The Gen 2 made 194 at the crank the Gen 3 makes 188 at the crank. And the Gen 3 still out accelerates the Gen 2. Every test I've seen if you change the exhaust and got rid of the Euro 5 cats the Gen 3 makes the same power the Gen 2 does with the same exhaust and it's a stronger motor. And all honesty unless you are a professional racer and even then I would question it I don't believe there is anybody in here that can tell the difference between six Peak horsepower at a given RPM

Whilst I get it and understand the passion, it's the 15 or so years of R&D time that seemed to have been wasted. As I mentioned previously, imagine if after a 15 year wait, Chev released a new and updated Corvette, only to release it with a less hp figure than the previous model - The motoring world and die hard fans would be up in arms..
Whist I'm not denying it's a good update, it's not what I would consider ground breaking after 15 years of R&D time

 

[Bumblebee]

This is how I feel about all the negative comments about the Gen 3

There were probably as many or more when the gen 2 came out...

 

[TheGza]

Whilst I get it and understand the passion, it's the 15 or so years of R&D time that seemed to have been wasted. As I mentioned previously, imagine if after a 15 year wait, Chev released a new and updated Corvette, only to release it with a less hp figure than the previous model - The motoring world and die hard fans would be up in arms..
Whist I'm not denying it's a good update, it's not what I would consider ground breaking after 15 years of R&D time

I don't want to get started on cars again.. But basically like a very car in the 70s and 80s did....

Were focusing to much on a # is all I'm saying. Would I have liked 200+ stock... Sure but I understand the why's and overall, I for one am happier with the machine. If it came with 200hp...guess what.. I'd still want more....

 

[Martin.UK]

You guys just wait. A new busa comes out every 10 years. With the way the world is going, i don't think there will be a G4 and if there is HP will be down to keep in with euro 7, 8 or 9.
You just need to be happy that Suzuki even made a G3 as so many modles are being dropped from every line up.
The Busa is a limited market and it's mainly us older ones that ride them. How many Busa's do you see on the road, not many i bet. Suzuki have taken a chance on making the G3 in the first place. which is a big gamble to take at the moment.
So should suzuki have made the engine bigger with more HP, i don't think so. How many unit out of what has and will be sold be used for max top end power, not many. It's the mid range that we all use, which suzuki has made better anyway.

 

[fallenarch]

Nice excuses you're making for Suzuki but by that logic, there would never have been a G1 & G2 in the first place!

 

[Martin.UK]

When the Busa first came out in 1999 here in the UK anyway, there were no restrictions like there are today. The sky was the limit back then. If the busa had never been made back in 98 it would never of been made at all.

 

[Bumblebee]

Nice excuses you're making for Suzuki but by that logic, there would never have been a G1 & G2 in the first place!

I don't know, I think Suzuki was smart in how they approached the Gen 3....it was pretty much how they made the Gen 2, make a solid base platform and allow owners and the aftermarket to morph it into whatever is desired.

If they made it too powerful with a large displacement, it would have made the bike even more of a niche platform and further limited potential buyers.

I'd imagine they did a little boot on the ground research and looked at what people were complaining about, the Gen 3 has better handling, ergonomics, brakes, electronic suite, QS, better suspension, a stronger boost ready engine and better lighting.....

If we go back into many older threads, these are the things people were wanting and we all know you can't please everyone and still give them a bargain basement bike.

 

[Bumblebee]

When the Busa first came out in 1999 here in the UK anyway, there were no restrictions like there are today. The sky was the limit back then. If the busa had never been made back in 98 it would never of been made at all.

I think the restrictions came due to the inception of the Hayabusa....probably other manufacturers were a bit worried the speed wars would never stop otherwise and this way they didn't have to work so hard to compete against each other.

I actually think if the Super Blackbird hadn't been made there'd be no Hayabusa.

 

[Martin.UK]

I actually think if the Super Blackbird hadn't been made there'd be no Hayabusa.

I think the bike that started it all was the Kawasaki GPz900R back in 1984, then a year later the GSX-R was born.

 

[Bumblebee]

I think the bike that started it all was the Kawasaki GPz900R back in 1984, then a year later the GSX-R was born.

Hell if we go back in that direction the Vincent Black Shadow was deemed the first superbike...

We are discussing the "hyper bike" segment

 

[VNE]

absolutely..!!.In India zx14 is long gone.atleast we have Busa.

It's long gone in Australia too. The stock ZX14 corners like a clapped out water bed but rides great in a straight line.

 

[ROADTOAD1340]

it seems to me both busa and zx14 have same wheelbase
if you shod ohlins front forks and rear ohlins shock to both
handling would be very similar - near as dammit the same

it's then just down to the owners own preferences

Well bro , done exactly that and more , and the ride style sit in Busa and sit on ZX14R difference is always going to set the differing ride base line to some degree . Both have their merits and best ride behavior traits , the ZX14R is a later design , with lower weight distribution feel , and turn in is also v good . The Gen 3 Busa has clawed this turn in feel back a way in stock form , but the Gen 2 is definitely not as sharp as either stock , and even with the Gen 3 with full setup Ohlins .
You are right about personal choice being the ultimate deciding factor on these machines , they are more old school dinosaurs compared to a lot of current 1000 s etc , but who cares if you love them too much .

 

[zucchero]

Sorry to go off topic but need your all valuable opinions.A friend of mine just bought a 2019 gen2 hayabusa and is a first time busa owner.the only aftermarket accessories being a K&N filter, iridium spark plugs and two brothers dual exhaust.rest all the bike is completely stock with no icu remapping or any power commander.
He is really confused if to use fuel with 95octane or go with premium 100octane. Will using a 100 octane fuel without any ecu remap damage engine.can he use 100 octane without any issues.Any input will be of great help.THANKS

 

[Hayabusa Wannabe]

He is really confused if to use fuel with 95octane or go with premium 100octane.

Feel free to start new threads rather than post unrelated questions into an existing thread. New threads are free and may get quicker attention.

Octane ratings vary by country so we must understand the ratings in India. In the US 86/87 is low octane and 92/93 is the typical premium gas/high octane. One hundred octane is not pump fuel.

I did some searching on the internet and it indicates that the Indian rating is the same as here in the US. Can you confirm or correct this?

Next, one may need to know more about that 100 octane gas. If it is aviation gas, if it has lead, it will ruin the catalytic converter of any vehicle that has one. For clarity, does this bike have a full Two Bros exhaust or just the mufflers?

I cannot comment on safety for the engine but using an octane much higher than required can create more difficult starts. High octane is designed not to ignite too easily! So when it is cold out, which is harder on starting, an ultra-high octane can exacerbate starting problems. I say "can" but admittedly do not have any experience putting race fuel into a stock Hayabusa.