Carpenter Racing 1441 kit for Gen 3

01smokes said:
The fanbois will buy it on name alone. It's sad that they do that and don't push for new tech.
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What new tech are they missing? The bike has the latest electronic suite, a quick shifter, a reinforced engine ready for the owner to develop.

It brakes better, handles better, rides better, has better acceleration, is safer and looks better than any other generation Hayabusa.

....and it has that good 'ol fashioned ability to be modified from everything from a good sport tourer to a full on drag bike just the same as its predecessors.

The alternative is the Hayabusa platform could have died with the Gen 2.

I would have thought all the current Gen 3 owners would be after you with pitchforks and torches by now honestly......I'm surprised I am the only one defending the platform. If a guy like @pashnit who basically lives on his bike is interested in the Gen 3, that's saying something.

@Fernando
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Bumblebee said:
What new tech are they missing? The bike has the latest electronic suite, a quick shifter, a reinforced engine ready for the owner to develop.

It brakes better, handles better, rides better, has better acceleration, is safer and looks better than any other generation Hayabusa.

....and it has that good 'ol fashioned ability to be modified from everything from a good sport tourer to a full on drag bike just the same as its predecessors.

The alternative is the Hayabusa platform could have died with the Gen 2.

I would have thought all the current Gen 3 owners would be after you with pitchforks and torches by now honestly......I'm surprised I am the only one defending the platform. If a guy like @pashnit who basically lives on his bike is interested in the Gen 3, that's saying something.

@Fernando
@Robert 0046
@pcs
@InfiniteReality
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Who talks about been the same is because they havent ride one i invite you to go and test drive one you will be amazed with all the new features the bike has that a Gen 2 doesnt.
 
Robert 0046 said:
Who talks about been the same is because they havent ride one i invite you to go and test drive one you will be amazed with all the new features the bike has that a Gen 2 doesnt.
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I'm on your side, you need to quote posts from 01smokes or tucoSalimonca who are having Gen 3 doubts.
 
TucoSalimonca said:
If you are OK with a gen3 losing HP over a gen2.... ok. If u wanna IGNORE that and focus on other stuff... ok. The point of alll the new tech should be making more HP. Its a hayabusa... its 1340CCS... it SHOULD be 1441 CCs. A bigger motor should make more HP than a 1000cc motor.
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Power is relative, power can be made, the bones are there.

If you look at any of these liter bikes (or most others) they don't remain stock and all it turns out to be is a dog chasing their tail trying to keep ahead of the curve.

IF Suzuki made a 1441 Hayabusa, there'd be some bike beating it as there always seems to be, Kawasaki made a 1441 bike and it isn't on the top of the heap.

The Gen 3 can get most of the power it has to the road in the right times which makes it faster with "less" power. I quote less as there have been different dynos around the world which give different power figures-many of which seem to be on par with a gen 2 at least.
 
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TucoSalimonca said:
If you are OK with a gen3 losing HP over a gen2.... ok. If u wanna IGNORE that and focus on other stuff... ok. The point of alll the new tech should be making more HP. Its a hayabusa... its 1340CCS... it SHOULD be 1441 CCs. A bigger motor should make more HP than a 1000cc motor. Frankly.. i was speechless when i heard HP figures. I think they are taking advantage of people who dont know any better... all due respect.
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My advice is sell your bike and move on to a Gen3 some Gen1 parts are discontinued if you have a Gen2 its a great bike like Gen1 also but the future is here join us in a whole new bike you wont be disapointed.
 
TucoSalimonca said:
if i woke up tomrrow and there was a 190HP gen3 in place of my 600HP gen1... i might jump off a bridge. I could have bought 3 gen3s for the amount that went into this turbo bike. at least 3... the thought of starting over with the same motor makes me nauseous.,
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Remember the words "starting over" your bike stock wasn't 190hp, it had to be expensively built to get it to where it is now....when someone builds the Gen 3 to the same level you currently have, they will have a better bike especially with the electronics and QS already in place.

Every bike build has a beginning and the Gen 3 is a good one to start with.

Guys like Chris Moore are able to build a gen 3 and he's only just starting.

 
TucoSalimonca said:
NO... they wont.... it wil be a standalone MAXXECU or a fuel tech ecu... or a motec.... the ECU is useless once you start using MAJOR HP and ditch the stock ECU and go standalone/ ams2000.
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There you have it then.....no bike would be able to achieve any better than what you have with your set-up.

Your bike is very specialized. All anyone could do is equal your build with any generation of Hayabusa (and a lot of time, research and money).
 
TucoSalimonca said:
the guys that go billet stroker crank/ latest greatest G series garret turbo/motec ecu... make even MORE HP. But... this would require 6 figures. What im saying is.............................. a 1441 motor or bigger... would have given EVERYONE a new base to work with.... a bigger bore with proper spacing and YES.. a new crank. A gen2 and gen3 have the same bore spacing/ and boring out these motors... u end up with less meat/ less head gasket between cylinders. Suzuki would have had to engineer a new block/cases and crank.
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You do realize they are interchangeable right? First thing any 400hp+ Turbo guy does is swap out the Gen-2/3 cylinder for a Gen-1 which makes it just as robust when going larger cc. No need to redesign it for more for a 1441cc setup. Typically if you’re going for big power you’re swapping the crank anyway and/or billet jug.

Yes it should have been 1441cc+ but what we have and what’s available is still dominating everything in the racing community. At some point you’ve gotta pay to play for new development and technology and those crying the loudest don’t typically have the funds to build it.

If all those folks care about is FBO dyno numbers because you are a small rider (under 140lbs) and want to argue roll numbers, then maybe the liter bike is your game? Then you get into the carbon wheels, titanium everything, light light game for a $40-50k stock motor liter bike that’s only good for one thing.

Everyone knows the Busa is still KING!
 
TucoSalimonca said:
the only difference between a gen1 and gen2/3 cylinder is the gen2 jug is scalloped ... people swap out the gen2 jug for gen1 because the gen1 is marginally stronger because it doesnt have the scallops. THIS DOESNT change the fact that a 1441 or bigger PROPERLY spaced BORE would have given everyone a new base to work with... a base that COULD HAVE shared the gen1 blocks superior strength or EVEN SURPASS the gen1 block. it was an opportunity missed. When people bore out a gen1 block....... it loses cirtical space between the bores/ and headgasket area..... the bore pitch needs enlarging.
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Correct, so how much power are you wanting or needing exactly because they live long in the 400-600 range which is more than 99% of people will ever need and even less actually use?

What event are you racing at with your bike?
 
TucoSalimonca said:
It would be NICE if we could run tiny turbos and less boost and make MORE TORQUE down low with that bigger motor... It would have benefitted everyone without 50K or so to spend to get the bigger numbers RELIABLY.
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You can already do that. Keep stock bore, run the crank you want and keep the compression reasonable and run quality fuel. Even without, it’ll make more than enough to flip over faster than you can react.. :D
 
TucoSalimonca said:
the guys that go billet stroker crank/ latest greatest G series garret turbo/motec ecu... make even MORE HP. But... this would require 6 figures. What im saying is.............................. a 1441 motor or bigger... would have given EVERYONE a new base to work with.... a bigger bore with proper spacing and YES.. a new crank. A gen2 and gen3 have the same bore spacing/ and boring out these motors... u end up with less meat/ less head gasket between cylinders. Suzuki would have had to engineer a new block/cases and crank.
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Guys like you that have built purpose-built bikes would go the extra length of building your engine to this degree, I'd imagine you wouldn't put total faith and trust into a stock engine regardless of CC.

Suzuki kept the bike cost efficient and reliable, if a 1441 would have been either of these and still stay Euro 5 compliant, I'll bet it would have been done.
 
Like I said earlier. The only cool thing about it is the cruise lol. IMO the gen2 even looks better but that's just my opinion. Handling is meh I can't ride fast enough to find the limits on any bike. Stopping power?
I run one stock rotor that stops the bike quick enough for me because I haven't went off the end of the track yet lol and it's stopping the bike that's going 175+ by the time I end up shutting down
 
TucoSalimonca said:
it would have required a new wider frame also.... so maybe u got something there. the cost would have been 25K... but i think people might have paid it for 240HP and all new electronics.
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$25K US, we pay that for the current Gen 3 here in Canada already...it'd probably in the $30-35K range and at that price, they'd be gathering dust on the showroom floor. Even at the current price they are sitting.

Suzuki was smart, they offered a better (best) version of the Hayabusa yet still kept it within reach on price-point knowing that people who wish to modify it are going to do so.
 
I don't understand the drama here. It matters less to me which bike is the fastest on the planet, the more important thing to me is that I am more than happy with my Gen 3 and I don't have to prove to anyone if my busa is fast or not. I don't really care who stands next to me on a motorcycle at the traffic light... remember
It's not the bike it is the driver who makes things happen. I always have a (Plan A Gen 3) to have fun and my plan B.....
 
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