Did i hear correctly?

[Gunnybusa]

This thread is going south.

Devil Dog,
Do you mean "Dat Durty South"?

Just south, like south of chess , or south of south africa or not in a good way but in a bad way like it's going to get ugly.

 

[Gunnybusa]

The musket was a joke, and I don't think owning a gun makes me a hater. Unless your asking if I hate criminals, in which case, I guess I'm a hater. Have TWO of you nice vehicles broke into and robbed by some of the guys your defending, and you might feel diferently.

No doubt about that... I am not defending the true criminals that David is grouping into the immigrant groups coming to the US to seek honest work.
Guys breaking into cars or doing real crime should be prosecuted and put away to get their tattoos and man love...

Beg's the question of why our leaders aren't jailing the "quasi-criminal according to David" undocumented worker?
Maybe because they aren't a real problem in the eyes of our government and business funded political lobbyists hitting up Government officials on the Senate and House Floor. The benefits outweigh the negatives.

So, you're saying David is grouping ALL immigrants together? Even the LEGALS? I don't think he is... I think he's grouping the border jumping, fence climbing, criminals that come into our country and lead a life of crime. Lets face it, once you commit a crime (i.e. Illegally crossing a border) it makes it EASIER on your moral being to commit another crime (lets say, car theft, or maybe pocket picking... Forming gangs in LA that fight violently for territory... STEALING AN IDENTITY, which, consequently, leads to forging a signature, which is another federal crime). Now, I'm not saying ALL Illegal immigrants are bad, some have no choice. But let's face it, most of the illegal immigrants either become criminals, or take some jobs that honest Americans ARE willing to do, but Jose is willing to do it CHEAPER. And the fact I'M paying some of them to stay here because they don't want to work just pisses me off more. Don't start with "They stole Bubah's SS#, cause he collects welfare, and he's well enough to work" crap either. Bubbah pisses me off just as much. But, the way I see it, America is being INVADED by Mexico, and we need to take care of that problem first.

Ben come to So Cal and see that Mexico is just a small part, not all but most non Hispanic people see all Hispanic’s as Mexican when in fact there a lot of central and south Americans as well. And don’t forget all the Asian countries that are invading as well. So I guess my little point is don’t jump on just the Mexicans when you are talking about illegal’s and don’t confuse illegal’s with LEGAL immigrants ( when I say you I don’t mean YOU Ben I mean everyone) .

 

[Gunnybusa]

The musket was a joke, and I don't think owning a gun makes me a hater. Unless your asking if I hate criminals, in which case, I guess I'm a hater. Have TWO of you nice vehicles broke into and robbed by some of the guys your defending, and you might feel diferently.

No doubt about that... I am not defending the true criminals that David is grouping into the immigrant groups coming to the US to seek honest work.
Guys breaking into cars or doing real crime should be prosecuted and put away to get their tattoos and man love...

Beg's the question of why our leaders aren't jailing the "quasi-criminal according to David" undocumented worker?
Maybe because they aren't a real problem in the eyes of our government and business funded political lobbyists hitting up Government officials on the Senate and House Floor. The benefits outweigh the negatives.

So, you're saying David is grouping ALL immigrants together? Even the LEGALS? I don't think he is... I think he's grouping the border jumping, fence climbing, criminals that come into our country and lead a life of crime. Lets face it, once you commit a crime (i.e. Illegally crossing a border) it makes it EASIER on your moral being to commit another crime (lets say, car theft, or maybe pocket picking... Forming gangs in LA that fight violently for territory... STEALING AN IDENTITY, which, consequently, leads to forging a signature, which is another federal crime). Now, I'm not saying ALL Illegal immigrants are bad, some have no choice. But let's face it, most of the illegal mexicans either become criminals, or take some jobs that honest Americans ARE willing to do, but Jose is willing to do it CHEAPER. And the fact I'M paying some of them to stay here because they don't want to work just pisses me off more. Don't start with "They stole Bubah's SS#, cause he collects welfare, and he's well enough to work" crap either. Bubbah pisses me off just as much. But, the way I see it, America is being INVADED by Mexico, and we need to take care of that problem first.

Well said.

Actually, not well said. There are severe flaws in your argument.
By the way my first name is JOSE, you clown.

Let's see those statistics that confirm your statement of Most illegal mexicans become hard criminals. Don't have any, ah yeah I thought so..

The violently territorial latino gangs are not formed by illegal mexican immigrants. They are actually a newer breed, and are called MARA Salvatrucha. These guys come from Central American countries such as El Salvador, Nicaragua and others in the region. Many are former child soldiers that were educated very similarly to the (cambodian/communist) KMHER Rouge in their value for human life. Therefore, commiting murder is like a walk in the park to them because they were wasting people as soon as they could carry and fire an AK-47. So with that type of education breaking into cars is small time and more so they diversify into other criminal enterprise such as the distribution of street drugs which leads to territorial conflicts.
So how many of your buddies are at the unemployment office because they lost their job picking produce, washing dishes, bussing tables or working construction to a better qualified illegal worker?
If Mexico was invaded around 150 years ago by the United States and it's Northern lands stolen for the sake of the gold rush, then wouldn't you say today's situation is interesting reciprocity?

I don’t know if Ben has lazy friends, well except for Michelle. But Jose I thought that the US purchased the land that the Mexicans had stolen from the Native Americans.

 

[yamahor]

The musket was a joke, and I don't think owning a gun makes me a hater. Unless your asking if I hate criminals, in which case, I guess I'm a hater. Have TWO of you nice vehicles broke into and robbed by some of the guys your defending, and you might feel diferently.

No doubt about that... I am not defending the true criminals that David is grouping into the immigrant groups coming to the US to seek honest work.
Guys breaking into cars or doing real crime should be prosecuted and put away to get their tattoos and man love...

Beg's the question of why our leaders aren't jailing the "quasi-criminal according to David" undocumented worker?
Maybe because they aren't a real problem in the eyes of our government and business funded political lobbyists hitting up Government officials on the Senate and House Floor. The benefits outweigh the negatives.

So, you're saying David is grouping ALL immigrants together? Even the LEGALS? I don't think he is... I think he's grouping the border jumping, fence climbing, criminals that come into our country and lead a life of crime. Lets face it, once you commit a crime (i.e. Illegally crossing a border) it makes it EASIER on your moral being to commit another crime (lets say, car theft, or maybe pocket picking... Forming gangs in LA that fight violently for territory... STEALING AN IDENTITY, which, consequently, leads to forging a signature, which is another federal crime). Now, I'm not saying ALL Illegal immigrants are bad, some have no choice. But let's face it, most of the illegal mexicans either become criminals, or take some jobs that honest Americans ARE willing to do, but Jose is willing to do it CHEAPER. And the fact I'M paying some of them to stay here because they don't want to work just pisses me off more. Don't start with "They stole Bubah's SS#, cause he collects welfare, and he's well enough to work" crap either. Bubbah pisses me off just as much. But, the way I see it, America is being INVADED by Mexico, and we need to take care of that problem first.

Well said.

Actually, not well said. There are severe flaws in your argument.
By the way my first name is JOSE, you clown.

Let's see those statistics that confirm your statement of Most illegal mexicans become hard criminals. Don't have any, ah yeah I thought so..

The violently territorial latino gangs are not formed by illegal mexican immigrants. They are actually a newer breed, and are called MARA Salvatrucha. These guys come from Central American countries such as El Salvador, Nicaragua and others in the region. Many are former child soldiers that were educated very similarly to the (cambodian/communist) KMHER Rouge in their value for human life. Therefore, commiting murder is like a walk in the park to them because they were wasting people as soon as they could carry and fire an AK-47. So with that type of education breaking into cars is small time and more so they diversify into other criminal enterprise such as the distribution of street drugs which leads to territorial conflicts.
So how many of your buddies are at the unemployment office because they lost their job picking produce, washing dishes, bussing tables or working construction to a better qualified illegal worker?
If Mexico was invaded around 150 years ago by the United States and it's Northern lands stolen for the sake of the gold rush, then wouldn't you say today's situation is interesting reciprocity?

Okay, I didn't mean just the Mexicans, as I went back and edited my post right after I posted. The reason it said them specifically at first is because this thread is talking about them.

By the way, apparently JOSE is a common hispanic name, as I hear it quite othen... more often than Jorge, Esteban, etc. I'm not making fun of you, just choosing random, commonly used names. I see you had no problem with me using the name Bubbuh. Did you know a friend of mine in High School was named Bubbuh? Uh-oh... I think I pissed my friend Bubbuh off cause I used his name (commonly used to name rednecks) in a sentence. And, just so you know, a good friend of mine in School was Mexican... a LEGAL Mexican. His name was Juan. Oh yeah... My step-mom is Mexican... Legal again... hmmm, see a pattern? I have nothing against a legal immigrant.

Now, I DO have friends that work construction, and almost lost there lives because the Illegal Immigrant that their dumbass boss hired couldn't speak english, so they did things they shouldn't have, and bad things happened.
I also have friends that Bus tables and wash dishes... They don't LIKE the job, but they do it because it pays bills. When an Illegal steps in and takes those jobs, an honest American loses a chance at an honest job. That pisses me off.

Regardless of where the Illegals come from, when they form gangs and have gang wars in MY home country, It's an invasion.

I don't really agree with the past of my country. Not always the greatest decisions were made. But, that was 150 years ago. Then... and Now. Let me turn this around for ya... there you go, you seem to have had life on backwards... Now the past is behind you. We can move PAST 150 yrs ago.

 

[yamahor]

The musket was a joke, and I don't think owning a gun makes me a hater. Unless your asking if I hate criminals, in which case, I guess I'm a hater. Have TWO of you nice vehicles broke into and robbed by some of the guys your defending, and you might feel diferently.

No doubt about that... I am not defending the true criminals that David is grouping into the immigrant groups coming to the US to seek honest work.
Guys breaking into cars or doing real crime should be prosecuted and put away to get their tattoos and man love...

Beg's the question of why our leaders aren't jailing the "quasi-criminal according to David" undocumented worker?
Maybe because they aren't a real problem in the eyes of our government and business funded political lobbyists hitting up Government officials on the Senate and House Floor. The benefits outweigh the negatives.

So, you're saying David is grouping ALL immigrants together? Even the LEGALS? I don't think he is... I think he's grouping the border jumping, fence climbing, criminals that come into our country and lead a life of crime. Lets face it, once you commit a crime (i.e. Illegally crossing a border) it makes it EASIER on your moral being to commit another crime (lets say, car theft, or maybe pocket picking... Forming gangs in LA that fight violently for territory... STEALING AN IDENTITY, which, consequently, leads to forging a signature, which is another federal crime). Now, I'm not saying ALL Illegal immigrants are bad, some have no choice. But let's face it, most of the illegal mexicans either become criminals, or take some jobs that honest Americans ARE willing to do, but Jose is willing to do it CHEAPER. And the fact I'M paying some of them to stay here because they don't want to work just pisses me off more. Don't start with "They stole Bubah's SS#, cause he collects welfare, and he's well enough to work" crap either. Bubbah pisses me off just as much. But, the way I see it, America is being INVADED by Mexico, and we need to take care of that problem first.

Well said.

Actually, not well said. There are severe flaws in your argument.
By the way my first name is JOSE, you clown.

Let's see those statistics that confirm your statement of Most illegal mexicans become hard criminals. Don't have any, ah yeah I thought so..

The violently territorial latino gangs are not formed by illegal mexican immigrants. They are actually a newer breed, and are called MARA Salvatrucha. These guys come from Central American countries such as El Salvador, Nicaragua and others in the region. Many are former child soldiers that were educated very similarly to the (cambodian/communist) KMHER Rouge in their value for human life. Therefore, commiting murder is like a walk in the park to them because they were wasting people as soon as they could carry and fire an AK-47. So with that type of education breaking into cars is small time and more so they diversify into other criminal enterprise such as the distribution of street drugs which leads to territorial conflicts.
So how many of your buddies are at the unemployment office because they lost their job picking produce, washing dishes, bussing tables or working construction to a better qualified illegal worker?
If Mexico was invaded around 150 years ago by the United States and it's Northern lands stolen for the sake of the gold rush, then wouldn't you say today's situation is interesting reciprocity?

I don’t know if Ben has lazy friends, well except for Michelle. But Jose I thought that the US purchased the land that the Mexicans had stolen from the Native Americans.

Me, lazy? nah...


also.... me, friends? thats laughable.

 

[BusaCruise]

I hope they do. Those folks need the money.

RSD.

you need more meds.... or maybe less?

 

[Big Bo]

Come to the US, get on welfare have a PO box along the boarder go over boarder to get check, go back to Mexico.

F^(# me with a wooden spoon. My GOD.

The problem is "US". We let the higher ups tell us to be tollerable. this tolerance is costing US OUR Country.
If we don`t stand up to the polititions, vote the crap out of office, and let them know we won`t stand for this, we have a chance. I am very afraid for my kids. OH GOD help us.

 

[MPH 200]

I lived in Mexico City for a few years & I speak spanish fluently. I owned & ran restaurants in Texas for 13 years. Yes there are illegals, but there are many who have gotten their citizenship. It boils down to they take the jobs that we (everyone else) do not want. When is the last time you saw a homeless hispanic begging... They typically have at least 2 jobs sometimes more.

Now with that being said, I am sick & tired of their protests - If you don't like it here, HAUL AZZ. Learn ENGLISH, I learned spanish when I lived there. A recent study in Dallas showed 85% of new births at Parkland Hospital are hispanic. Who do you think pays for that... yep WE DO. They know how to work the system.

Can we change things, probably not. Yes it is killing our economy when all their cash is sent to their home country.

I now relinquish the sop box.

 

[Gunnybusa]

I lived in Mexico City for a few years & I speak spanish fluently. I owned & ran restaurants in Texas for 13 years. Yes there are illegals, but there are many who have gotten their citizenship. It boils down to they take the jobs that we (everyone else) do not want. When is the last time you saw a homeless hispanic begging... They typically have at least 2 jobs sometimes more.

Now with that being said, I am sick & tired of their protests - If you don't like it here, HAUL AZZ. Learn ENGLISH, I learned spanish when I lived there. A recent study in Dallas showed 85% of new births at Parkland Hospital are hispanic. Who do you think pays for that... yep WE DO. They know how to work the system.

Can we change things, probably not. Yes it is killing our economy when all their cash is sent to their home country.

I now relinquish the sop box.

Not all Hispanics are illegal’s or are on welfare, so those birth are they from illegal’s? If not then how are we to know that we had to pay for them?

 

[BusaCruise]

Yes there are illegals, but there are many who have gotten their citizenship.

if they got their citizenship...then they AREN'T illegal.

I couldn't give a rat's azz (and don't) about those that follow the process...but how the hell can this country spare one friggen dime on anyone outside these borders without taking care of those that are born here and or have spent time in the service of this nation.
No president can justify billions and billions in aide to other nations when we cannot afford to feed clothe and house the people in our own damn borders.
If I have the choice of hiring 5 illegals to put a roof on my house (to get it done quickly) or 1 VET.... I'll take the VET pay him the same I would have the 5 wetbacks (I use that term to apply to ANY illegal...no matter their method of tresspassing). And if the VET is disabled...then have a drink and relax while I put the roof on myself.
It's a matter of people actually telling these people to get out! and meaning it....don't tell stinky sweaty Jose he can no longer do your lawn and has to go but let Rosa (with her nice boobs and round butt) continue to clean your house...she has to go too! I like latin women as much as the next guy...but we're talk zero tolerance here.
There is a respectable difference between immigrant and illegal.

They want my money? My taxes....they want citizenship? Pass the GED (english only edition)...AND pass some sort of board review for 10th grade english literacy. Then you may apply for the citizenship
Then you MUST do a minumum of a 3 year stint in the military (excluding the CG and NG, cause that like letting the rat watch the cheese).

We'll discuss birth control later....contrary to what most practice...you are not required to give brith every time you have sex!!!

I the people of a particular nation do not like the way the govenment is doing it's business then they have two choices....take it up the arse...or revolution....the same way we did it some 230 years ago.

 

[BusaCruise]

just annex mexico and get it overwith....

we need more beachfront property to sell to the japanese anyways.

 

[MoosesBusa]

OK I'm a little confused here. According to the fine gentleman from uphisazz currently holding a hioghly paid position in the gubment it is well known that illegals are paying social security into the system using stolen numbers... How in Gods good name are we supposed to give the ILLEGAL immigrant credit for those funds? Who kept track of that little number?!? Here's the bottom line in my narrow minded common sense driven brain. You come into the country legally( whether born here or imigrate LEGALLY, Get a SS#, Get a job, pay taxes, Biotch about it, retire with SS beneifts. Anything short of that tuff Nuts, you get squat!
Illegals are a problem whether they are muslim, Mexican, El Savadorian, Rican, British, German, Norweigan ( Except for the blonde Hotties) etc. Nationality doesn't matter. Once you are and AMERICAN you are supposed to be that an AMERICAN. Assimilate into the culture learn the friggin language participate. We've lost a LOT in the past few decades but mostly er have lost vision of what America was supposed to be... UNITED people of all different races creeds and colors living as AMERICANS. The trend started 90 years ago by the Italians and Polocks of cultural self segregation has really damaged the idea behind assimilation. You go to a country to live, Learn the friggin language and assimilate the NATIONAL culture into your home not expect the Nation to conform to yours!
I sincerely hope the idiots passing these ludicrous laws get run over by illegals driving stolen cars with expired plates on the way to pick up their checks they don't deserve.

 

[Projekt]

Come to the US, get on welfare have a PO box along the boarder go over boarder to get check, go back to Mexico.

F^(# me with a wooden spoon. My GOD.

The problem is "US". We let the higher ups tell us to be tollerable. this tolerance is costing US OUR Country.
If we don`t stand up to the polititions, vote the crap out of office, and let them know we won`t stand for this, we have a chance. I am very afraid for my kids. OH GOD help us.

You got the voting part right!!!! Everything else is  inflammatory rhetoric because you cannot spend food stamps in Mexican grocery stores.



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[Projekt]

I don’t know if Ben has lazy friends, well except for Michelle. But Jose I thought that the US purchased the land that the Mexicans had stolen from the Native Americans.

Well, let me think, buying stolen property is a criminal act too...

 

[Projekt]

I lived in Mexico City for a few years & I speak spanish fluently. I owned & ran restaurants in Texas for 13 years. Yes there are illegals, but there are many who have gotten their citizenship. It boils down to they take the jobs that we (everyone else) do not want. When is the last time you saw a homeless hispanic begging... They typically have at least 2 jobs sometimes more.

Now with that being said, I am sick & tired of their protests - If you don't like it here, HAUL AZZ. Learn ENGLISH, I learned spanish when I lived there. A recent study in Dallas showed 85% of new births at Parkland Hospital are hispanic. Who do you think pays for that... yep WE DO. They know how to work the system.

Can we change things, probably not. Yes it is killing our economy when all their cash is sent to their home country.

I now relinquish the sop box.

Not all Hispanics are illegal’s or are on welfare, so those birth are they from illegal’s? If not then how are we to know that we had to pay for them?

Exactly, thing is that in the collection of statistics on live births, one of the checkboxes is ethnic background. Being that most forms are in English you can assume that the person filling it in reads and writes English. These forms do not ask immigration status. Also plain and simply, the rate of births to people of hispanic origin regardless of citizenship is highest of all ethnic groups in the US. And, yes, Jose is the most common name being given to those babies in this country because there are just many more hispanics being born.

 

[Projekt]

Now, I DO have friends that work construction, and almost lost there lives because the Illegal Immigrant that their dumbass boss hired couldn't speak english, so they did things they shouldn't have, and bad things happened.
I also have friends that Bus tables and wash dishes... They don't LIKE the job, but they do it because it pays bills. When an Illegal steps in and takes those jobs, an honest American loses a chance at an honest job. That pisses me off.

Regardless of where the Illegals come from, when they form gangs and have gang wars in MY home country, It's an invasion.

I don't really agree with the past of my country. Not always the greatest decisions were made. But, that was 150 years ago. Then... and Now. Let me turn this around for ya... there you go, you seem to have had life on backwards... Now the past is behind you. We can move PAST 150 yrs ago.

Life on backwards, who me? Nah...
The question was "How many of your buddies are in the unemployment office due to losing their jobs to undocumented workers..."

 

[Projekt]

Busacruise,
I call BS on your hiring a vet over 5 "wetbacks" because when it cames to money, people let it drive them so put your money where your mouth is.
 The Italians and Pollocks were segregated because they were more or less the first large groups to come to America with a Non- Anglo/saxon language. That is, leaving out the Amish and Mennonite communities that imposed self-segregation. But, hey, they are nice good white people so why are you bothered?
Also, generally speaking, most hispanics emigrating to this country are Roman Catholic and their boss (el papa, the pope) says no to Birth Control of any sort. Oh, and guess what, religious folks really buy into that sort of teaching. These are folks that are not afraid to parent a child and support him/her for 18+ years as opposed to the average Non-Hispanic American. This is due to the fact that since many Hispanics have experienced more hardship and need than Americans in general, thus hardening them for the path of raising children.
I'll admit that since I am American, I think more along the lines of waiting as long as possible to have children and maybe not even have any. Heck, I am worried that my ability to provide will be less than my standards. However, immigrant Latinos know that come what may they'll be able to take an extra job or two doing whatever in order to feed their kids.



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[MPH 200]

The 85% of new births at Parkland Hospital are not distinguished between legal & illegal - just free medical care at our expense.

 

[jessup]

It all boils down to the law. And how it is not followed by anyone. The blind eye that is gazing from the top down is really our problem. Politicians are more concerned with votes and polls than fixing any problem that the American people consider important.

When I use the word ILLEGAL I MEAN FROM ANYWHERE!

If you enter illegally you should never be given the oppurntunity to gain citizenship.
Social services should not be available to any illegal immigrants or children born of Illegal immigrants.
If you hire an illegal knowingly you should be fined and or shut down. Screw you and your business!

There should be no drivers license's, social securtiy card, passport whatever, given to anyone with out a background check.

We should protect our borders and our interests at all costs... That being said..................

We should make immigration an attainable thing. It is friggen difficult to get here legally... It shouldn't be that hard but we either need to take down the Give me your hungry your tired and your poor or atleast make citizenship an achievable goal for those who deserve it and pursue it correctly. You should still need to speak english Know the history of the country abide by our laws pay our taxes. The only reason I should have to chose a language on an atm machine is because of tourists... NOT because someone has lived here 5 years and still won't learn the f'ing language.

 

[jessup]

Oh and leave Yamahor alone... Anyone that really has friend named bubbah has enough problems. Like getting that tv that sits on top of the bigger tv to get country music station.