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[jellyrug]

Let’s see how long this one lasts, just hit the NASDAQ.

This may be a good one for some Put options.

Damon Motorcycles | Electric Motorcycles of the Future

Transforming electric motorcycles that redefine riding. HyperSport and HyperFighter models equipped with Damon’s award-winning motorcycle technology.

damon.com

 

[Bumblebee]

Let’s see how long this one lasts, just hit the NASDAQ.

This may be a good one for some Put options.

Damon Motorcycles | Electric Motorcycles of the Future

Transforming electric motorcycles that redefine riding. HyperSport and HyperFighter models equipped with Damon’s award-winning motorcycle technology.

damon.com

Looks pretty cool to me.......

I think if the big manufacturers got more serious about EV motorcycles, they'd stand a far better chance of being successful as they already have dealerships and a market.....

If Suzuki made an EV that was equivalent to the Hayabusa, it would be pretty decent....

 

[jellyrug]

Looks pretty cool to me.......

I think if the big manufacturers got more serious about EV motorcycles, they'd stand a far better chance of being successful as they already have dealerships and a market.....

If Suzuki made an EV that was equivalent to the Hayabusa, it would be pretty decent....

Did you look at the prices?

Crazy, will be interesting to see if they survive.

20kWh battery. Track day, will give us 15 - 20 minutes and battery is depleted.

 

[Bumblebee]

Did you look at the prices?

Crazy, will be interesting to see if they survive.

20kWh battery. Track day, will give us 15 - 20 minutes and battery is depleted.

Honestly I didn't see the prices of them until you mentioned it......then I dug a little further....

$45K is pretty costly......but I have found most EV to be priced out of reach of most people.

I did note the Hayabusa will out accelerate it as it says 0-60 is 3 seconds and a stock Hayabusa is quicker....

But I do stand by my statement that if the Japanese companies put their minds to it and came up with viable EV motorcycles they'd be the way to go as their ability to make good motorcycles is already established.....but EV tech isn't where it needs to be yet.

 

[Bumblebee]

I can see Tesla having to change their door handles in the future as there have been several documented cases where rescuers couldn't get the doors open because the handles are power activated....and the vehicles lost all power after a crash and in a couple cases were on fire....

 

[TallTom]

I can see Tesla having to change their door handles in the future as there have been several documented cases where rescuers couldn't get the doors open because the handles are power activated....and the vehicles lost all power after a crash and in a couple cases were on fire....

Come on Bee. You know Teslas don't catch fire. Why do you keep up with this mis-infirmation?

:-)

 

[Bumblebee]

Come on Bee. You know Teslas don't catch fire. Why do you keep up with this mis-infirmation?

:-)

I know, I know......

I also know lots of ICE vehicles catch fire after a collision too.....but most of them don't have this crazy door handle design.

 

[sixpack577]

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[jellyrug]

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It would be great to analyze that with a bit more detail than only the statement.
I am not saying that with any bias, just the desire to technically understand the claim.
A battery has a kWh capacity and running the nurburgring at a certain lap time, would require a mix of full load, partial load, regenerative braking etc.

To explain this in more simple terms:

A stock Busa produces around 140kW at the crank
If the motor was a battery, at most it would be a 25kWh battery, otherwise the weight of the bike would become unpractical.
If that Busa is being ridden on the street, the way most of us ride on the street, the average load would only be around 15kW
It means, we would have around 25/15 = 1 hour and 40 minutes of riding time to deplete the battery.
If that Busa has to go around the nurburgring circuit attempting a lap record, I have no idea what the average load of the available `140kW would be, but if we knew that, we could calculate how many laps would be possible. It will be impossible to use all 140kW all the time it would still be only a portion of the maximum output.
If it were possible to use the full 140kW continuously, all the time, with no interruption, we would have 25/140 = 11 minutes of riding time, to deplete the battery, more than what would be necessary to do one lap of the nurburgring circuit.

Following the explanation above, it means either there was something wrong with the Tesla, or it is BS. Again, no bias, just simple automotive engineering principles. No rocket science here.

 

[sixpack577]

It would be great to analyze that with a bit more detail than only the statement.
I am not saying that with any bias, just the desire to technically understand the claim.
A battery has a kWh capacity and running the nurburgring at a certain lap time, would require a mix of full load, partial load, regenerative braking etc.

To explain this in more simple terms:

A stock Busa produces around 140kW at the crank
If the motor was a battery, at most it would be a 25kWh battery, otherwise the weight of the bike would become unpractical.
If that Busa is being ridden on the street, the way most of us ride on the street, the average load would only be around 15kW
It means, we would have around 25/15 = 1 hour and 40 minutes of riding time to deplete the battery.
If that Busa has to go around the nurburgring circuit attempting a lap record, I have no idea what the average load of the available `140kW would be, but if we knew that, we could calculate how many laps would be possible. It will be impossible to use all 140kW all the time it would still be only a portion of the maximum output.
If it were possible to use the full 140kW continuously, all the time, with no interruption, we would have 25/140 = 11 minutes of riding time, to deplete the battery, more than what would be necessary to do one lap of the nurburgring circuit.

Following the explanation above, it means either there was something wrong with the Tesla, or it is BS. Again, no bias, just simple automotive engineering principles. No rocket science here.

I can't say if it's true or not, but don't doubt that it couldn't do many laps before dieing...I thought it was a good laugh regardless...and would stir the pot...

 

[Bumblebee]

I can't say if it's true or not, but don't doubt that it couldn't do many laps before dieing...I thought it was a good laugh regardless...and would stir the pot...

I have a former colleague friend who has a Tesla S and he says when it is in Ludicrous" mode it sucks the battery dry pretty quickly...probably similar to a high performance ICE....however the ICE can easily be refueled quickly almost anywhere.

He said he used to take it to the track once in a while but it would get really, really hot if pushed hard, to the point he was worried he was doing some sort of damage to it.

 

[jellyrug]

I have a former colleague friend who has a Tesla S and he says when it is in Ludicrous" mode it sucks the battery dry pretty quickly...probably similar to a high performance ICE....however the ICE can easily be refueled quickly almost anywhere.

He said he used to take it to the track once in a while but it would get really, really hot if pushed hard, to the point he was worried he was doing some sort of damage to it.

For a Tesla to do the quarter faster than a Busa, that battery is putting out close to 1,000hp. Not more than around 5 minutes and it is over but for the crying.

 

[Bumblebee]

For a Tesla to do the quarter faster than a Busa, that battery is putting out close to 1,000hp. Not more than around 5 minutes and it is over but for the crying.

That car also cost over $140k so it had better perform....

 

[Oz22]

There are some things only 100 years of engineering can reliably achieve.

 

[Dustin02]

There are some things only 100 years of engineering can reliably achieve.

Lol. Preach brother! EVs will get there one day, not just today. I love ICE vehicles, but we'll get to other propulsion alternatives in the near future. Interesting time to be alive...