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What does that mean?

It is a thread discussing EVs......not ICE...we already know all there is to know about ICE vehicles

No sense starting to be over-sensitive at this point in the discussion.....LOL!
It means just what I said. Catch you later, as in some other thread. 131 pages of you declaring EVs are not a viable option when they have been, for a pretty big sector, as in not everyone, for a couple years. There's a lot of happy owners out there. Right now, it's Saturday night. Hockey!!
 
I know years ago a Canadian firm was working on small nuclear reactors that could easily be manufactured and positioned in 3rd world countries to generate power instead of the coal they currently use.
Would you trust the competence in third world countries to safely operate nuclear reactors?
 
Would you trust the competence in third world countries to safely operate nuclear reactors?
Not at all....hence why there is a huge carbon footprint problem in many of these countries....

One of which I was in and they were burning tires for heat.....they'd cut up the tires in chunks....the smell coming out of these communities was something to behold......that and the open sewer gutters.......
 
Not at all....hence why there is a huge carbon footprint problem in many of these countries....

One of which I was in and they were burning tires for heat.....they'd cut up the tires in chunks....the smell coming out of these communities was something to behold......that and the open sewer gutters.......
Do some research, ten years trend to today, you will be surprised by who is producing big carbon footprints. It is not who you think and where you had this experience.
 
Not really surprising in fact it makes sense in that the countries defined as developing on that chart make up probably two thirds of the world's population. I was intrigued by seeing China on that side of the chart with their economy, even though their gross national income per person is still not great. Right or wrong, I don't think they are generally regarded as a developing nation by the rest of the world.
 
Looks like the demand for cyber trucks is drying up...

Tesla Cybertuck Line Workers Told To Stay Home: ‘No Need To Report To Work’​



Saw a few in Paso Robles this weekend, visiting my son in California. My son with his new F150 Turbo V6, thinks they look terrible, I thought they looked really cool. The long reservation folks are not exercising their reservations, so the waiting seems gone and it is possible they have over capacity.

It appears the stay at home is at full pay though, so we don't really know if it is capacity or something else. The pricing, paying $120k for all the options is a lot of money for a truck.

I guess it depends where you live, if you own a tiny little house in Paso Robles which is worth $1.5 million, then $120k for a truck is OK. I don't live in CA.
 
It all really doesn't matter if they become a thing. The amount of copper it will require to make them, will prevent them from ever being cost viable.
Copper, and Lithium. None of it grows on trees, and of course it's mined with diesel machinery :D
A decade ago they chatted about the transition to E-mining but they don't talk about it anymore. Some big corporations with very public mines have bought a few E-dump trucks etc to Green up their image but it ends there. A year back a guy posted this Big E-truck on another forum in defense of the transition. All electric motors in the wheels. Odd think is it had a big radiator up front? Turns out it had a massive diesel engine that drove a gen-set. Probably a good idea, like diesel electric locomotives.

The big problem with mining is all the easy to get at ores are gone, and now they have to go a lot deeper or process grades with much lower metal content. It's a completely logical outcome of 100 years of intense mining, but since they don't talk about it on the TV set no one knows it's happening. There is a Gold mine up in Papua new guinea, fabulous deposit, but it sits up high in the mountains surrounded by jungles and below the plain is a wetlands bog.

The effort they went to building the infrastructure to access the mine site and build it is a saga of epic proportions and there's a great youtube on it. Would have been totally impossible without diesel. When they started it was all done by helicopter, men lowered down to the jungle canopy with chainsaws running so they could cut their way through and get to the ground. Big Ball on those men. But D-10s need a road, and that was incredible, forging the first ones through the swamps, up the mountain sides and then across narrow mountain ridges. I seriously doubt they would even attempt it today but oil was cheap back then. A lot of things were possible with $5 a barrel oil.

 
An interesting perspective to the power needs of recharging EV...

The video proposes the idiot approach.

The smart approach is called planning. The load is calculated, stipulating installed capacity and load factor. That in turn is presented to the power supply authority, who determines what can be done, the cost and timeline.

Something I did personally in Riyadh Saudi Arabia. The city had no means of supplying what I needed in the time needed to supply a new mega factory. I had our own power supply installed within 12 months, until the city caught up a few years later. Then switched and sold off our generating plant.
 
The video proposes the idiot approach.

The smart approach is called planning. The load is calculated, stipulating installed capacity and load factor. That in turn is presented to the power supply authority, who determines what can be done, the cost and timeline.

Something I did personally in Riyadh Saudi Arabia. The city had no means of supplying what I needed in the time needed to supply a new mega factory. I had our own power supply installed within 12 months, until the city caught up a few years later. Then switched and sold off our generating plant.
The video proposes reality......

What you did was on a small one time scale...what reality is, that these would need to be done on a massive, large scald and doing so isn't feasible in most cases...

Even supplying power to households to charge EV on most current grids isn't feasible without substantial upgrades to power grids which cost enormous amounts of money and resources which is something that is sorely lacking in this day and age.

Governments forcing citizens to go to the EVs has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with governmental power and overreach. An EV is no better for the environment than ICE is.
 
The video proposes reality......

What you did was on a small one time scale...what reality is, that these would need to be done on a massive, large scald and doing so isn't feasible in most cases...

Even supplying power to households to charge EV on most current grids isn't feasible without substantial upgrades to power grids which cost enormous amounts of money and resources which is something that is sorely lacking in this day and age.

Governments forcing citizens to go to the EVs has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with governmental power and overreach. An EV is no better for the environment than ICE is.
Besides the idiot approach, there is another approach.

The do nothing approach.

Humans are generally smarter than that. It will happen, it may take several years, but eventually it will happen. It will happen at a pace and according to a timeline which is realistic.

The predominant drivers will be ROI and IRR.
 
Bitcoins use of electricity is approaching 1% of global production. Just for one little investment racket. Then you have the exploding AI draw,
The AI Boom Could Use a Shocking Amount of Electricity
Scientific American
https://www.scientificamerican.com › article › the-ai-boo...


And then there is the Air conditioning boom, down here they are becoming standard in rentals even, Huge split systems, 8kW or so. Everyone wants to use more and more power and they talk about new power plants but no one is talking about upgrading the grid, the elephant in the room.
Some problems simply don't have solutions, least wise not ones that are economically viable.
 
Bitcoins use of electricity is approaching 1% of global production. Just for one little investment racket. Then you have the exploding AI draw,
The AI Boom Could Use a Shocking Amount of Electricity
Scientific American
https://www.scientificamerican.com › article › the-ai-boo...

And then there is the Air conditioning boom, down here they are becoming standard in rentals even, Huge split systems, 8kW or so. Everyone wants to use more and more power and they talk about new power plants but no one is talking about upgrading the grid, the elephant in the room.
Some problems simply don't have solutions, least wise not ones that are economically viable.
On top of that, all these grid upgrades require huge amounts of copper......something that is getting more and more in short supply.....and the manufacture and recharging eat up copper supplies for the moment....

What's crazy is there are people dying quite often trying to steal copper out of power substations.....when I was in Alberta, these stations are pretty remote and thieves were trying to cut through the 4 inch grounding cable and then get fried for their efforts....

Even an episode of "Sanford and Sons" from the '70s depicted the copper shortage.......

 
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-ai-boom-could-use-a-shocking-amount-of-electricity/
And then there is the Air conditioning boom, down here they are becoming standard in rentals even, Huge split systems, 8kW or so.
That is funny.

The average home in the USA in all of the winter colder areas where heating is electrical has a 24kW AC feed.

And, once the home is up to temperature from a cold start, only a fraction of that is used. The rest is available to charge 2 EV’s, especially when the neighborhood is asleep from around 10pm to 5 am.
 
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