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[TallTom]

Gosh hydrogen? Where have I heard hydrogen is more viable than EV?

Tesla is to Transition to Hydrogen by 2025 | H2 Sensors

In a groundbreaking move, Tesla, the pioneer in electric vehicles, has announced plans to integrate hydrogen fuel cell technology into its lineup by 2025. This shift marks a significant departure from Tesla’s traditional focus on battery electric vehicles (BEVs) and underscores the company's...

fast-sense.com

And who was it that said it was a bad idea? We were just too undereducated to understand.

 

[jellyrug]

Gosh hydrogen? Where have I heard hydrogen is more viable than EV?

Tesla is to Transition to Hydrogen by 2025 | H2 Sensors

In a groundbreaking move, Tesla, the pioneer in electric vehicles, has announced plans to integrate hydrogen fuel cell technology into its lineup by 2025. This shift marks a significant departure from Tesla’s traditional focus on battery electric vehicles (BEVs) and underscores the company's...

fast-sense.com

And who was it that said it was a bad idea? We were just too undereducated to understand.

It was Elon Musk.

It sucks when the A$$hole catches you every time, doesn’t it?

Enjoy the internet, which produces only the truth and nothing else but the truth.

'The most dumb thing': Elon Musk dismisses hydrogen as tool for energy storage

Musk has a history of expressing strong opinions about hydrogen and hydrogen fuel cells.

www.cnbc.com

See if you are smart enough to understand why he said that?

 

[TallTom]

It was Elon Musk.

It sucks when the A$$hole catches you every time, doesn’t it?

Enjoy the internet, which produces only the truth and nothing else but the truth.

'The most dumb thing': Elon Musk dismisses hydrogen as tool for energy storage

Musk has a history of expressing strong opinions about hydrogen and hydrogen fuel cells.

www.cnbc.com

See if you are smart enough to understand why he said that?

Even Elon can admit when he's wrong.

 

[Red05]

Even Elon can admit when he's wrong.

Wrong or always trying? Seems like wrong is continuing to use up gasoline when eventually, not in our generation, it's going to be a problem. Wrong is not trying to learn a new way.
My hat is off to the guy.

 

[jellyrug]

Even Elon can admit when he's wrong.

Here is some more enlightenment for you, the internet junkie.

Trump spreads fake news on the hydrogen car - H2Today

Used to spread fake news and other lies, Donald Trump has attacked hydrogen cars. Does Elon Musk have something to do with it?

hydrogentoday.info

Actually, personally I am working on a clean energy car which runs on beer. Alcohol content needs to be North of 10%. Also working with Coors to get the price of beer below that if gasoline. Stay tuned, we will publish it on the web, soon.

Ps. I knew you would not be able to figure out why Musk believes hydrogen cars are not practical. Hence not addressing what I posted.

 

[jellyrug]

TallTom

Did you believe this as well?

Just curious?

 

[Bumblebee]

Wrong or always trying? Seems like wrong is continuing to use up gasoline when eventually, not in our generation, it's going to be a problem. Wrong is not trying to learn a new way.
My hat is off to the guy.

I would be the "devil's advocate" in this and mention that even EV use a lot of non-renewable resources in their fabrication and use......

They are not a viable replacement for ICE due to this fact....

I've read there are many countries wanting to open up protected land in the quest for copper and other materials needed in the manufacture of EV......imagine the South American rain forest going away so people can feel good about what they are driving......

I think the biggest change has to be the way humans are living and working.......at one time there were few cars because people lived and worked within walking distance....the invent of cars (and other conveyances) has unbalanced this life style.......and no form of transportation will ever rectify the situation and challenges this has caused.

 

[TallTom]

Here is some more enlightenment for you, the internet junkie.

Trump spreads fake news on the hydrogen car - H2Today

Used to spread fake news and other lies, Donald Trump has attacked hydrogen cars. Does Elon Musk have something to do with it?

hydrogentoday.info

Actually, personally I am working on a clean energy car which runs on beer. Alcohol content needs to be North of 10%. Also working with Coors to get the price of beer below that if gasoline. Stay tuned, we will publish it on the web, soon.

Ps. I knew you would not be able to figure out why Musk believes hydrogen cars are not practical. Hence not addressing what I posted.

What does a Trump bashing link have to do with Elon making the conversion from Hydrogen is a stupid idea to joining in on the use of hydrogen in the next year and already having produced a hydrogen car in the Model H. Are you proposing this is fake news spread by Trump. Or spread by "pick your source"

Your smoke and mirror skills are still the same.

Hydrogen and it's challenges were addressed earlier in this thread.

Even Musk has decided Hydrogen the "stupid fuel" isn't so stupid after all.

I'm sure with your intellect, you'll have your beer car completed in no time.

 

[jellyrug]

I would be the "devil's advocate" in this and mention that even EV use a lot of non-renewable resources in their fabrication and use......

They are not a viable replacement for ICE due to this fact....

I've read there are many countries wanting to open up protected land in the quest for copper and other materials needed in the manufacture of EV......imagine the South American rain forest going away so people can feel good about what they are driving......

I think the biggest change has to be the way humans are living and working.......at one time there were few cars because people lived and worked within walking distance....the invent of cars (and other conveyances) has unbalanced this life style.......and no form of transportation will ever rectify the situation and challenges this has caused.

Nuclear energy seems to be on it’s way back.

Renewed U.S. Interest in Nuclear Energy: An Update - AAF

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY While the construction of new nuclear reactors has been stalled for the past three decades, nuclear energy still offers a cost-effective, clean, and reliable source of power – and with rising energy costs and a demand for clean energy, nuclear is seeing renewed interest from...

www.americanactionforum.org

Nuclear Resurgence

The energy security case for nuclear power is building

www.imf.org

Nuclear power output expected to break global records in 2025 | Nuclear power | The Guardian

Experts say world is ‘past peak fossil power’ but warn against uneven development of energy projects

amp.theguardian.com

If we look at all the applications where hydrocarbons are used, I don’t believe there will ever come a time, when crude oil is no longer pumped. There is the opportunity to drastically reduce the volume pumped though.

 

[TallTom]

TallTom

Did you believe this as well?

Just curious?

I have not heard of a "water engine" so by the title no. But I'm pretty comfortable I've seen converted gasoline to hydrogen engines using water to control the burn of the hydrogen being used as a fuel in place of gasoline. And I'm not suggesting that is what Tesla is doing.

So your position is Tesla is not pursuing Hydrogen? It's all fake?

 

[Red05]

I think the biggest change has to be the way humans are living and working.......at one time there were few cars because people lived and worked within walking distance....the invent of cars (and other conveyances) has unbalanced this life style.......and no form of transportation will ever rectify the situation and challenges this has caused.

Unbalanced? I think a lot of people would say it opened up opportunities and experiences. Transportation is the reason we’re discussing this in the first place.

They are not a viable replacement for ICE due to this fact....

Again, innovators like Musk are exploring and trying to find a venue or a process forward. It doesn’t fit your personal vision, fine, but keep in mind others might disagree.

 

[Bumblebee]

Unbalanced? I think a lot of people would say it opened up opportunities and experiences. Transportation is the reason we’re discussing this in the first place.

Again, innovators like Musk are exploring and trying to find a venue or a process forward. It doesn’t fit your personal vision, fine, but keep in mind others might disagree.

The way humans live is the biggest creator of the issues we face i.e. carbon emissions....the lust to live in suburbia and commute is what's driving this......(pun intended).

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EV equates to money being made, i it wasn't lucrative, there would be no investment in them.......however, EV isn't a direct replacement for ICE in the realm of carbon emission and is generally a poor choice for many............... cost, charging and range are all real factors with EV, add in cold climates and/or hilly areas and you have even more issues to deal with.

 

[Bumblebee]

Nuclear energy seems to be on it’s way back.

Renewed U.S. Interest in Nuclear Energy: An Update - AAF

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY While the construction of new nuclear reactors has been stalled for the past three decades, nuclear energy still offers a cost-effective, clean, and reliable source of power – and with rising energy costs and a demand for clean energy, nuclear is seeing renewed interest from...

www.americanactionforum.org

Nuclear Resurgence

The energy security case for nuclear power is building

www.imf.org

Nuclear power output expected to break global records in 2025 | Nuclear power | The Guardian

Experts say world is ‘past peak fossil power’ but warn against uneven development of energy projects

amp.theguardian.com

If we look at all the applications where hydrocarbons are used, I don’t believe there will ever come a time, when crude oil is no longer pumped. There is the opportunity to drastically reduce the volume pumped though.

Makes sense.....

They are quickly finding out all the other sources of energy come with a whole host of issues....nuclear has a few as well mind you.....

I know years ago a Canadian firm was working on small nuclear reactors that could easily be manufactured and positioned in 3rd world countries to generate power instead of the coal they currently use.

 

[Red05]

.......however, EV isn't a direct replacement for ICE in the realm of carbon emission and is generally a poor choice for many............... cost, charging and range are all real factors with EV, add in cold climates and/or hilly areas and you have even more issues to deal with.

True but it is an excellent choice for many as well, many that don't travel far often but aren't privy to the public transportation of bigger cities.
You point to the footprint of producing and recycling batteries but hardly mention the emissions coming out the tailpipe of an ICE vehicle. Neither is perfect. That's why people like Musk are out there trying things; trial and error fosters creativity.

 

[Bumblebee]

True but it is an excellent choice for many as well, many that don't travel far often but aren't privy to the public transportation of bigger cities.
You point to the footprint of producing and recycling batteries but hardly mention the emissions coming out the tailpipe of an ICE vehicle. Neither is perfect. That's why people like Musk are out there trying things; trial and error fosters creativity.

This is an EV thread.....EVs are on trial in this thread....not ICE.....we already know almost everything we need to know about ICE vehicles....

That being said, people have morphed away from living where they work and the term commute has become a reality......no vehicle is good for commuting, all of them have some sort of carbon footprint......if people were more concerned about their own personal carbon footprint, they'd convert back to the live where you work model.....

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Musk is in it for the glory and monetary gains.....he has many ICE vehicles in his collection......I think he enjoys vehicles of all types....

 

[Red05]

This is an EV thread

Ok. Catch you later.

 

[Zerks]

Wrong or always trying? Seems like wrong is continuing to use up gasoline when eventually, not in our generation, it's going to be a problem. Wrong is not trying to learn a new way.
My hat is off to the guy.

What do you know about the world's oil supply? According to some people that claim to know certain things about EVs and ICE cars is the EV has some issues that are costly and not fully developed as a complete life cycle. The question is which one cost more to produce and dispose of after its useful life has expired?

I like Elon... the question should be... how much government subsidies has he used to make his Tesla business a success over the years since the Model S ? It was said it was a $30,000 subsidy on each one of those early model S cars. I still see one on the road now and then in this densely populated Tesla country area.

 

[Bumblebee]

Ok. Catch you later.

What does that mean?

It is a thread discussing EVs......not ICE...we already know all there is to know about ICE vehicles

No sense starting to be over-sensitive at this point in the discussion.....LOL!

 

[Bumblebee]

What do you know about the world's oil supply? According to some people that claim to know certain things about EVs and ICE cars is the EV has some issues that are costly and not fully developed as a complete life cycle. The question is which one cost more to produce and dispose of after its useful life has expired?

I like Elon... the question should be... how much government subsidies has he used to make his Tesla business a success over the years since the Model S ? It was said it was a $30,000 subsidy on each one of those early model S cars. I still see one on the road now and then in this densely populated Tesla country area.

.....I'll say how many subsidies should be used........zero......how many times did the government have to bail out car companies because of their incessant greed...??

 

[Zerks]

.....I'll say how many subsidies should be used........zero......how many times did the government have to bail out car companies because of their incessant greed...??

The car companies battles had a lot going on before the EV thing even got going... the exporting of cars and parts manufacturing to overseas competitors sure didn't improve the situation here,