EV vehicles

[JeffSyh]

I know a very popular mod with diesel is the DFE delete...lots of people I know with diesel pick up trucks have done that...

I'd guess it wouldn't be allowed with commercial vehicles as they are inspected.

There was a lot of talk about passenger vehicles going to be under close scrutiny when it comes to modifications such as lifts, exhaust, intakes and such but that has never come to fruition as far as I see.

It's allowed here in sask almost all farmers delete their trucks but if you want to haul any good to California, you need a certified clean idle truck. So if you delete your semi and plan on going to California for loads you will be ticketed and pretty much ban from California. We are also always required to keep record of deleted trucks during safety so the goverment does know who and what trucks are deleted and they could pass a law at any moment saying if you deleted your truck you have to reinstall aftertreatment or no more driving.

The medium/light duty aftermarket has been sued multiple times already this year and last from the epa due to tunes and deletes. EPA also stopped the "off-road use only" loop hole so even if you or the aftermarket company buy or sell deletes for off road use either party can be sued or ticketed. Aftermarket performance parts will be a thing of the past one day.

 

[Bumblebee]

I just don't know what they are thinking...there had better be some huge improvements in the our power grid before this foolishness happens...

Of course I wonder if the government has included the vast power requirements to recharge all these EV vehicles into their data collection....

Canada Is Banning The Sale Of Gas-Powered Cars & It's Happening Sooner Than Expected

 

[jellyrug]

Brought over from another thread...Any investors here? | Off Topic | Hayabusa Owners Group

There is quite a bit of talk of implementing EV vehicles and eliminating gas/diesel vehicles as soon as 2030.

Here are my points on this subject:

1. battery tech needs to take a serious upswing and get away from Lithium (Lithium is limited and very toxic to both mine and produce).

2. Hydro power production will need to be both improved and expanded-each and every home would need to have EV plugs installed along with better power distribution (would we need different electrical panels in our homes?)

3. Current Lithium batteries are a challenge to dispose of and are volatile when exposed to fire or overheating, there have been more than a few which spontaneously combusted in a garage burning the home down.

4. Along with battery tech, these batteries would be exposed to a wide variety of environments (salt air on the coasts, extreme heat in the southern climes, extreme cold in the northern climes).

5. Training for techs would need to be started as someone would need to know how to fix these things-it's easy to assume there would be simple parts replacement.

6. Commercial charging stations would require a massive amount of power to operate-almost their own power grid...we can't maintain the one we currently have.

I can personally see the merits of EV vehicles however in my opinion the cost of implementing a total change over to these vehicles would cost into the trillions.

I have also heard talk of creating more and better public transit sort of what is in Europe...this would cost billions if not trillions and still leave millions of people without public transit...

And the latest is without a fuel cell, using an internal combustion engine.

Toyota Developing Hydrogen Engine Technologies Through Motorsports | Corporate | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website

Toyota Motor Corporation (Toyota) announced today that, toward the achievement of a carbon-neutral mobility society, it is developing a hydrogen engine. It has installed the engine on a racing vehicle based on Toyota's Corolla Sport, which it will enter in competition under the ORC ROOKIE Racing...

global.toyota

 

[bigoltool]

Here it comes...

"Canada Just Announced A Ban on Internal Combustion Engines" Canada Just Announced A Ban on Internal Combustion Engines

 

[Bumblebee]

Here it comes...

"Canada Just Announced A Ban on Internal Combustion Engines" Canada Just Announced A Ban on Internal Combustion Engines

Yep, I posted this 2 posts up.....

Don't know exactly what kind of stupid they are thinking but it is a real humdinger.....we've got to get rid of our current government....and soon....

 

[mark3evo]

Battery technology is advancing real fast some universities in Europe are talking recharge in 3 minutes or less -
if we are talking Lithium and Cobalt seems like we need to dig up vast parts of the earth's crust to fuel these EV- then once the batteries are dead the world can ship them to Cambodia or somewhere and let some 12 year old kid recycle the toxic parts

i prefer Hydrogen By products H2O - Cool clear water

 

[mark3evo]

however here is the truth

this is happening fast - Most European based manufacturers are turning over from ICE to hybrid and EV from 2025.

US and Canada will follow this is unstoppable - IT'S LIKE A RUNAWAY TRAIN

Lamborghini electric plans: boss announces first full EV from 2025​

Published: 19 May 2021
► Lambo's Cor Tauri electrification plans
► All-hybrid range by end of 2024
► Plus, a new BEV car from 2025 onwards
Stephan Winkelmann, boss of Lamborghini, has outlined the brand's plans to electrify over the next decade, with the end goal being its first fully-electric model from 2025. The 'Cor Tauri' plans are part of the biggest-ever investment into the company, as Sant'Agata pumps more than €1.5bn into its future.
Of course, this is Lamborghini, so its range of models is going out with a non-electrified bang first. After that, the whole range will electrify, with the new BEV model arriving anywhere between 2025 and 2030.

 

[Bumblebee]

however here is the truth

this is happening fast - Most European based manufacturers are turning over from ICE to hybrid and EV from 2025.

US and Canada will follow this is unstoppable - IT'S LIKE A RUNAWAY TRAIN

Lamborghini electric plans: boss announces first full EV from 2025​

Published: 19 May 2021
► Lambo's Cor Tauri electrification plans
► All-hybrid range by end of 2024
► Plus, a new BEV car from 2025 onwards
Stephan Winkelmann, boss of Lamborghini, has outlined the brand's plans to electrify over the next decade, with the end goal being its first fully-electric model from 2025. The 'Cor Tauri' plans are part of the biggest-ever investment into the company, as Sant'Agata pumps more than €1.5bn into its future.
Of course, this is Lamborghini, so its range of models is going out with a non-electrified bang first. After that, the whole range will electrify, with the new BEV model arriving anywhere between 2025 and 2030.

A world wide electrical grid upgrade/retro fit will be necessary...imagine all these EV plugged into already over taxed power grids all over the world...and many using coal as a power generating source...

 

[mark3evo]

UK have decomissioned all our coal fired power stations , we are an island surrounded by wind
we are making new massive wind farms now in the north sea

and we still have 200 years of coal in the ground

 

[Bumblebee]

All the EV, green, granola eaters make me laugh in many ways...developed nations are rattling the "go green saber" while many developing countries are uber-polluting at an ever increasing rate and not one thing is being done to stifle that...

In many cases the dramatic increase in polluters is a result of their building and packaging materials for EV vehicles...mining Li is a nasty affair and the recycling of Li is a very toxic mess-good thing the developing countries are around to send it all to for that.

I just don't see how EV can work here in Canada and the US, we have such vast areas to travel and the weather in Canada can go from over 40'C in the summer to -40'C in the winter...EV has been proven to not be very effective in these extremes...

 

[twotonevert]

I would buy EV if the infrastructure was there to support it. It is just not yet, and the fact that some states are calling for power conservation due to climate.

 

[Bumblebee]

I would buy EV if the infrastructure was there to support it. It is just not yet, and the fact that some states are calling for power conservation due to climate.

I honestly believe it will take trillions of dollars across the globe and many more years than what people are forecasting before the infrastructure is ready for EV.

 

[mark3evo]

I honestly believe it will take trillions of dollars across the globe and many more years than what people are forecasting before the infrastructure is ready for EV.

it will be in the USA as few folks think climate change effects them including why should i change my current habits

but this will give big employment as oil and these technologies get trashed

jobs are moved from the old to new

 

[mark3evo]

All the EV, green, granola eaters make me laugh in many ways...developed nations are rattling the "go green saber" while many developing countries are uber-polluting at an ever increasing rate and not one thing is being done to stifle that...

In many cases the dramatic increase in polluters is a result of their building and packaging materials for EV vehicles...mining Li is a nasty affair and the recycling of Li is a very toxic mess-good thing the developing countries are around to send it all to for that.

sorry to say the Uber polluters are China 1st and then followed by USA

• China, with more than 10,065 million tons of CO2 released.
• United States, with 5,416 million tons of CO2.
• India, with 2,654 million tons of CO2.
• Russia, with 1,711 million tons of CO2.
• Japan, 1,162 million tons of CO2.
• Germany, 759 million tons of CO2.
• Iran, 720 million tons of CO2.

 

[Bumblebee]

sorry to say the Uber polluters are China 1st and then followed by USA

• China, with more than 10,065 million tons of CO2 released.
• United States, with 5,416 million tons of CO2.
• India, with 2,654 million tons of CO2.
• Russia, with 1,711 million tons of CO2.
• Japan, 1,162 million tons of CO2.
• Germany, 759 million tons of CO2.
• Iran, 720 million tons of CO2.

India, Pakistan and other countries must be in this mix somewhere as much of their country is uninhabitable due to toxic pollutants and physical trash...

 

[mark3evo]

CO2 Emissions per Capita - Worldometer

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Emissions per Capita for each Country in the world

www.worldometers.info

CO2 toxic trash

india recycle most of their cars

USA and Europe just add to landfill

The EU send all their plastic waster to far east - but asia no longer want to become Europe's dustbin

 

[Bumblebee]

CO2 Emissions per Capita - Worldometer

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Emissions per Capita for each Country in the world

www.worldometers.info

CO2 toxic trash

india recycle most of their cars

USA and Europe just add to landfill

The EU send all their plastic waster to far east - but asia no longer want to become Europe's dustbin

I know we recycle cars here in Canada and thought the US did the same...

All that being said, as the thread is about EV vehicles, I still don't see the grand step forward in forcing this tech on people especially since the power grid will require significant upgrading to make it work.

Not to mention the huge requirement for Li which in itself is not a renewable resource.

 

[twotonevert]

I honestly believe it will take trillions of dollars across the globe and many more years than what people are forecasting before the infrastructure is ready for EV.

I cant speak for the globe, but for the US it is really not that far off. Most utilities have at least made small steps to install charging stations. California, Nevada, and Arizona lead the pack as far as places to charge. The biggest cost will be upgrading home level services to handle the charging load. Most will need a minimum service size and the associated charging station in the garage or somewhere located to connect to the vehicle.

 

[Bumblebee]

I cant speak for the globe, but for the US it is really not that far off. Most utilities have at least made small steps to install charging stations. California, Nevada, and Arizona lead the pack as far as places to charge. The biggest cost will be upgrading home level services to handle the charging load. Most will need a minimum service size and the associated charging station in the garage or somewhere located to connect to the vehicle.

Around here our power lines are in the ground, if they have to increase service power requirements and have to increase line gauge, it will be very, very expensive to do I reckon...

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

I cant speak for the globe, but for the US it is really not that far off. Most utilities have at least made small steps to install charging stations. California, Nevada, and Arizona lead the pack as far as places to charge. The biggest cost will be upgrading home level services to handle the charging load. Most will need a minimum service size and the associated charging station in the garage or somewhere located to connect to the vehicle.

My son is an electrician and works high end homes. He routinely installs these upgrades during remodeling efforts by the home owners. So, at least the wealthy are getting them.