EV vehicles
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You live in a fairly moderate climate I'd say;
EV isn't faring out so great here due to a myriad of reasons.....lots of winter salt (and sprayed salt brine-nasty stuff) and very cold temperatures...we generally get cold weather in late Oct until late March and into April....this year we could still see our breath outside in May....batteries don't like that cold very much.
I would think most EV owners would be more inclined to look after their vehicles if for nothing else the exorbitant price they paid for them.
200 miles certainly isn't anything to crow about and I'd wager that 200 miles is in certain conditions much like our Hayabusas....
Lol you’d say quite incorrectly. We range from single digits with days in the negative Fahrenheit to 100° with 80% humidity.
I can tell you so many stories of lemon ICE vehicles we dealt with through the years, but my intentions are not to bad mouth gas or diesel engines. It’s a waste of your attention to continue to resent EV’s as they will continue to present themselves.
How is your climate compared to where I live I wonder....it gets crazy cold here in the winter and sometimes crazy hot in the summer...I've seen snow here in October and then again in May...
Do you get a lot of salt on your roads in the winter? I wonder how that will affect EV over time...?
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I know there are lemon or problematic ICE vehicles but we are discussing EV.....and not comparing the two....
I don't resent EV, I just don't think we are ready for them nor are they ready for mainstream....perhaps the few that are out there will pave the way but in the end they will take over and there's little to nothing we can do other than grumble.....
I definitely wasn’t crowing; quite obviously not write home about it range but how many 190k ICE vehicles do you feel comfortable taking cross country? I’m sure there’s a few, same as some EV’s that are up to the task.
Lol the first four words there; the thousand or so of your words prior contradict it but the rest of your statement is quite true. So of us will grumble quite a bit more than others.
I'll bet more than a few high mileage ICE vehicles get a lot better mileage (range) than 200 miles to a tank of fuel.....
My motorcycle is a toy so getting 200 miles to a tank is ok....but if I owned a vehicle that only got 200 miles of range (on a good day) I'd not be too impressed.
My first four words echo what I've always said, I am not anti-EV nor do I resent them, I just firmly don't believe we are ready for them as a society.....
With the advancements of R&D for these huge automotive companies, I can's fathom why they see the need to use the public as their testers...
As for the government and their implementation of EV and the proposed updated electrical grid that goes with such a move......where are the upgrades? Our power grid struggles with the current load but nothing has been done to beef it up to accept heavier loads...
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Hi. I would take my 06 Honda Civic with 518K ang day. Taking it to Main, Ny and NC.soon.
@captain will appreciate this...
I was talking to our local Fire Chief yesterday and he said there is a real problem facing most fire depts especially volunteer units in smaller communities....EV fires are pretty common along with the systems they use for charging as they can overload the home's power circuits even with protectors....his fire dept has responded to many EV fires or over heats in the past few months as more and more EV are being introduced.
He figures fire apparatus will have to be changed from their current configuration to include chemicals to fight these fires and it will be very expensive especially for struggling small fire depts. And training is a huge issue with volunteers....
He has gone to several Fire Chief council meetings and all of them have expressed the same issues yet the government is dragging their feet on the issue....
I was talking to our local Fire Chief yesterday and he said there is a real problem facing most fire depts especially volunteer units in smaller communities....EV fires are pretty common along with the systems they use for charging as they can overload the home's power circuits even with protectors....his fire dept has responded to many EV fires or over heats in the past few months as more and more EV are being introduced.
He figures fire apparatus will have to be changed from their current configuration to include chemicals to fight these fires and it will be very expensive especially for struggling small fire depts. And training is a huge issue with volunteers....
He has gone to several Fire Chief council meetings and all of them have expressed the same issues yet the government is dragging their feet on the issue....
Lithium-ion battery fires are on the rise. Are firefighters ready?
LIB's are a problem for sure, they are powerful, exothermic, have a lot of stored energy and are armored or protected... lots if water and maybe some AFFF to get things cooled off would be my first start, drag that car out of a garage and flood with water.
From what I am reading, water won't extinguish these fires and there have been many cases of re-ignition days even weeks later making them very dangerous. I read a case where one was in a minor accident but was written off as is the case with all EV which have been in accidents....there was no fire on scene and the thermal imager didn't identify any heat yet the EV caught fire weeks later while in the wrecking yard..
The fire dept couldn't extinguish the fire so they dug a pit and pushed the car into it to keep it from spreading....
Even in the article I posted, post accident investigations are delayed due to the fact the EV could erupt in flames at any time.
Okay I'm completely guessing here so need some current firefighters & EV folks to step in.... Water typically takes away the heat in the ole fire tetrahedron but with EV's if you have a thermal runaway on a battery the only thing that is going to stop the heat is for the energy to go away which is why cars catch on fire hours or days later. If you bury it then you might be able to take away the O2 but I would be that those batteries put off enough gas to allow it to burn underground too!
What they need is some crazy quick discharge button that neutralizes those batteries in an emergency.
Cap
You can disconnect the huge orange cables which will help stop the flow. Problem is usually it’s too late for them to try that by the time they arrive.
If the battery is on fire internally I doubt disconnecting an external cable is going to help....
On the Mkz hybrid I had it was advertised as the huge orange cable was what fire dept could disconnect to discharge things. Of course this was supposed to be done before it was engulfed in flames.
And like all new vehicles they have no tow hooks to pull them out of a garage...if you can get near them to do so.....those fires are extremely hot...hotter than gasoline when it burns...
A house not far from me burned to the ground from an EV being charged in the garage....
I know one of the volunteer fire fighters that went to the fire and he said they were there pretty quickly but the garage was totally engulfed and the house soon followed...they are rural so had to pull from a water tanker and they drained it then called in a second one....there is a pond not far away and they were preparing to draft out of it if need be.....the EV just kept re-igniting when they doused it. He said the fire in the garage was very hot-hotter than he'd seen one before.
This could go into almost each and every thread as we tend to over-discuss everything here....
In the end, it's just conversation.
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