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I watched a show called "mighty ships" and this one episode was featuring a coal hauler....the captain of the ship said the coal fleet is busier than ever because the demand for coal has increased so much in the last couple years...the company has even worked on converting other haulers so they can haul coal...

Sure doesn't sound too green to me.
 
I watched a show called "mighty ships" and this one episode was featuring a coal hauler....the captain of the ship said the coal fleet is busier than ever because the demand for coal has increased so much in the last couple years...the company has even worked on converting other haulers so they can haul coal...

Sure doesn't sound too green to me.
Yep. And when you look at the emissions of shipping, the only way to make that green is to eliminate them.


Use this as a reference.

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I watched a show called "mighty ships" and this one episode was featuring a coal hauler....the captain of the ship said the coal fleet is busier than ever because the demand for coal has increased so much in the last couple years...the company has even worked on converting other haulers so they can haul coal...

Sure doesn't sound too green to me.
I used to push coal at a terminal made specifically to distribute coal. One of I think 3 in the nation. Drove a monster dozer. (The fun part). People would be in total shock the amount of coal produced and exported. Every day, 365 days a year. Countless mountains of it. Day after day. 90% of what we produce, is exported. The 10% we keep for our use, is still mountains of it that would shock most.

Here is a pic. This is just what you can see from the camera view. Multiply this by 30 more and you start to grasp what one facility moves. This is me at an elevation of 180'. We were unstacking this one at this time.

These piles were 400'x400'x200'Heigth. This was one of the smaller pile fields. We actually had maps on board to find our way around the piles. It takes about 4 days to stack it, and about 2 days to unstack and convey it onto a ship.

On the large field, the piles are 900'x900'x200'. They are 1500 train car loads. We had 10 of those.

The terminal operated 24/7/365.

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Not gonna lie. It was fun driving an 80,000 lb, 14' high dozer. One blade full (made specifically for coal) could push 100 tons of coal. Up a 30° incline.
 
I used to push coal at a terminal made specifically to distribute coal. One of I think 3 in the nation. Drove a monster dozer. (The fun part). People would be in total shock the amount of coal produced and exported. Every day, 365 days a year. Countless mountains of it. Day after day. 90% of what we produce, is exported. The 10% we keep for our use, is still mountains of it that would shock most.

Here is a pic. This is just what you can see from the camera view. Multiply this by 30 more and you start to grasp what one facility moves. This is me at an elevation of 180'. We were unstacking this one at this time.

These piles were 400'x400'x200'Heigth. This was one of the smaller pile fields. We actually had maps on board to find our way around the piles. It takes about 4 days to stack it, and about 2 days to unstack and convey it onto a ship.

On the large field, the piles are 900'x900'x200'. They are 1500 train car loads. We had 10 of those.

The terminal operated 24/7/365.

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Not gonna lie. It was fun driving an 80,000 lb, 14' high dozer. One blade full (made specifically for coal) could push 100 tons of coal. Up a 30° incline.
Pretty crazy......that's a lot of coal....
 
Yes people get paid and also breathe sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxides which eventually kill. Coal is an easy answer. Is it the best one?
 
Coal only makes sense if you prevent people from suing who will get sick or die. It only makes sense if the people bear the cost of the environmental damage. In my business experience, you never go backward even if it costs a little short-term pain.
 
Newport news coal yards. Trains arrive from all over western Virginia and dump here and it's loaded on ships to ship all over. The piles of coal are as high as mountains. Drive by on the interstate and the whole area smells like coal (dust in the air). I'm sure that dust isn't leaching into the water either (wink, wink).

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Just saying, but for energy production a coal power plant is pretty much twice as efficient as an internal combustion engine.

So in other words for pollution purposes, comparing the coal energy output into electricity to the energy output of an ICE in kWh, the ICE produces twice as much pollution. These are simply mathematical facts which we have to accept and cannot deny.


oops, I forgot, I promised Bee and Tom never to post in their thread again. My bad.
 
Just saying, but for energy production a coal power plant is pretty much twice as efficient as an internal combustion engine.

So in other words for pollution purposes, comparing the coal energy output into electricity to the energy output of an ICE in kWh, the ICE produces twice as much pollution. These are simply mathematical facts which we have to accept and cannot deny.


oops, I forgot, I promised Bee and Tom never to post in their thread again. My bad.
I know when they used to conduct e-testing here, most modern cars barely registered on the test.....

I can see the older cars or non-DEF diesels not passing...

I know the other day I was walking down the road and an '80s car went by and the exhaust smell was enough to make me gag....it is a smell I remember from the era........probably 50 cars went by before and after and I didn't smell any exhaust at all....

Is there a pallor of smog hanging over cities in the US like there used to be in the day?
 
Just cities like LA or New Jersey... but the smog is probably from the people... :laugh:
I recall in there used to be smog reports or indexes for the cities....

And I remember when we visited it looked like there was fog over the city but I was told that was smog.....when I see file footage these days on TV, it looks like the cities are clear...?
 
I know when they used to conduct e-testing here, most modern cars barely registered on the test.....

I can see the older cars or non-DEF diesels not passing...

I know the other day I was walking down the road and an '80s car went by and the exhaust smell was enough to make me gag....it is a smell I remember from the era........probably 50 cars went by before and after and I didn't smell any exhaust at all....

Is there a pallor of smog hanging over cities in the US like there used to be in the day?
There are modern era cars that will makes you gag with the exhaust. The difference now is they are likely telling the owner with check engine lights all aglow. Doesn't mean the owners will do anything about it. Many states don't have emission inspections. And shop rates are running $150/hr nowadays. So there's that.

I'll argue as before. If only the well to do have access to Green tech, and/or will be the target of additional taxes for the less prosperous, it's going to fail.

Have to make this readily affordable. And prove you will get remedy for the tax burden. We've already pissed away trillions on failures. And choked us out more by cutting the supply of oil resources, thus driving up the price of everything derived from petroleum (pretty much everything).

Pretty simple math.
 
There are modern era cars that will makes you gag with the exhaust. The difference now is they are likely telling the owner with check engine lights all aglow. Doesn't mean the owners will do anything about it. Many states don't have emission inspections. And shop rates are running $150/hr nowadays. So there's that.

I'll argue as before. If only the well to do have access to Green tech, and/or will be the target of additional taxes for the less prosperous, it's going to fail.

Have to make this readily affordable. And prove you will get remedy for the tax burden. We've already pissed away trillions on failures. And choked us out more by cutting the supply of oil resources, thus driving up the price of everything derived from petroleum (pretty much everything).

Pretty simple math.
If we look around at how important the used vehicle segment is for people, I can't see how the EV market can compete....

There are many people who are just making it and an inexpensive vehicle is key to their financial survival...I can't see a used EV being anywhere near as reliable or inexpensive as a used ICE vehicle.....and I say reliability due to the battery reliability of the EV over time..
 
If we look around at how important the used vehicle segment is for people, I can't see how the EV market can compete....

There are many people who are just making it and an inexpensive vehicle is key to their financial survival...I can't see a used EV being anywhere near as reliable or inexpensive as a used ICE vehicle.....and I say reliability due to the battery reliability of the EV over time..
Sometimes I think about buying a newer car. Then I look at how reliable mine is and think, man I'm not risking coughing up cash for something that if it breaks will be pricey. The last thing I did for PM was change the plugs which were due @ 100,000 miles. The rears were a bit of a pain (front wheel drive) but that's been it. Changed the belt just because I was there. Very simple.

Recently I saw a little pool of fluid. I've got a power steering hose that's getting spongy. Super simple fix.

I'd be a fool for getting a complex car you can't even see what you need to work on. And expensive equipment to talk to it.

My truck will live outside and be kept for house projects. I haven't put a new tank of gas in it for probably a year now. New trucks are going for $80K!

Not long ago I thought it was insane to spend $95K on a Trackhawk. 100K is on a lot of domestic stickers now.

Crazy.
 
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