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[Bumblebee]

Tesla recalls nearly all vehicles sold in US to fix Autopilot system

Tesla is recalling nearly all of the vehicles it sold in the U.S, more than 2 million across its model lineup, to fix a defective system that's supposed to ensure drivers are paying attention when they use Autopilot.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It's been a long time coming too...

I can go and find countless information on pedestrian accidents involving Teslas on auto pilot

 

[TallTom]

I personally think the "feel good" people will buy an EV with the whole thought of saving the planet when in reality they are just substituting one polluter for another that doesn't show pollution at a tail pipe..

Well there is the "feel good" vs the reality. I made a living for a time in the coal industry. More specifically we made fuel augmentations. Using tire chunks added to the coal and regulating the oxygen in combustion, we were able to burn coal cleaner, burn it longer per ton burned, and burn it cheaper.

I'll never sell it as "green" burning, but we were able to burn it cleaner than every govt mandated emission level. For less $$ than doing nothing to it. And far less $$ than outfitting all of the plants with scrubber technologies.

The other big benefit was taking some burden away from landfills. Which are rapidly being filled up. Nobody wants to compare those variables.

There was a little bit of a giant loophole in the regs we exploited. It was either written in on purpose to be there, or it was simply lack of oversight when they passed it.

Burning a recycled tire was counted as a non fossil fuel, fuel. Any reduction in coal use, was provided an equivalent carbon credit. The data will be able to state plant X reduced coal use by X%, using non fossil fuels.

Never having to state what was used in place of.

Some of that is still part of the green numbers in use today. Today there is a growing business in Waste To Energy industry. Because that WTE benefits the landfill management that's a bigger problem than a solar or wind station being built. Or an EV being purchased.

Dallas Texas generated 13M tires per year in 2018. That is probably a lot more now that half of Ca has moved there since. That's just DFW! At full capacity of recovery and re-use, 8M still went to landfill. If I showed you what 8M tires looked like in a pile, nobody would give the first phuck how green a Tesla might be.

They do a really good job at convincing us to take our eye off the ball with some new shiny object.

 

[TallTom]

It's been a long time coming too...

I can go and find countless information on pedestrian accidents involving Teslas on auto pilot

Tesla can simply disable this feature by remote control. They of course would likely be required to reimburse buyers the cost of it. I personally don't think this is a big deal for Tesla. The safety issue goes away with the flip of a software switch. No safety issue, no lawsuits for defective products.

 

[Bumblebee]

Well there is the "feel good" vs the reality. I made a living for a time in the coal industry. More specifically we made fuel augmentations. Using tire chunks added to the coal and regulating the oxygen in combustion, we were able to burn coal cleaner, burn it longer per ton burned, and burn it cheaper.

I'll never sell it as "green" burning, but we were able to burn it cleaner than every govt mandated emission level. For less $$ than doing nothing to it. And far less $$ than outfitting all of the plants with scrubber technologies.

The other big benefit was taking some burden away from landfills. Which are rapidly being filled up. Nobody wants to compare those variables.

There was a little bit of a giant loophole in the regs we exploited. It was either written in on purpose to be there, or it was simply lack of oversight when they passed it.

Burning a recycled tire was counted as a non fossil fuel, fuel. Any reduction in coal use, was provided an equivalent carbon credit. The data will be able to state plant X reduced coal use by X%, using non fossil fuels.

Never having to state what was used in place of.

Some of that is still part of the green numbers in use today. Today there is a growing business in Waste To Energy industry. Because that WTE benefits the landfill management that's a bigger problem than a solar or wind station being built. Or an EV being purchased.

Dallas Texas generated 13M tires per year in 2018. That is probably a lot more now that half of Ca has moved there since. That's just DFW! At full capacity of recovery and re-use, 8M still went to landfill. If I showed you what 8M tires looked like in a pile, nobody would give the first phuck how green a Tesla might be.

They do a really good job at convincing us to take our eye off the ball with some new shiny object.

I fought a tire fire as a volunteer fire fighter once, it was pretty intense and took weeks to extinguish...

My hometown started to recycle tires into asphalt and it worked great....

I've read that EV are much heavier than ICE and are both doing damage to roads and wearing out tires faster....someone I know said his son is on his second set of tires in 60,000kms with his EV.

 

[Bumblebee]

Tesla can simply disable this feature by remote control. They of course would likely be required to reimburse buyers the cost of it. I personally don't think this is a big deal for Tesla. The safety issue goes away with the flip of a software switch. No safety issue, no lawsuits for defective products.

The big deal for Tesla is the issue itself being broadcasted to the general public....

People who were on the fence about EV could be knocked off on the ICE side when reading this sort of thing...

There are lots of recalls for ICE as well but they are still selling whereas EV aren't.

 

[TallTom]

I fought a tire fire as a volunteer fire fighter once, it was pretty intense and took weeks to extinguish...

My hometown started to recycle tires into asphalt and it worked great....

I've read that EV are much heavier than ICE and are both doing damage to roads and wearing out tires faster....someone I know said his son is on his second set of tires in 60,000kms with his EV.

Yep asphalt, cement etc. Still can't recycle enough of it. So shutting down some of its use as a coal modifier adds to an environmental problem.

Fires are a huge problem for above ground waste tires. We had a 25 acre site. Our fire suppression and mitigation plan was bigger than he closest city to us. We had to show we could manage and extinguish a fire. Because the closest city couldn't. That was one of the more difficult parts to that site. Showing you could manage a fire should it happen.

 

[Bumblebee]

Yep asphalt, cement etc. Still can't recycle enough of it. So shutting down some of its use as a coal modifier adds to an environmental problem.

I read where they put millions in the ocean as a habitat for fish and it seems to be working well for that....

 

[mark3evo]

i found this ... is this true ??

 

[Bumblebee]

i found this ... is this true ??

If you look at these sorts of videos, you can find a similar one on each car company so I question it's validity....

One a similar note, the Canadian government has announced there will be no sales of ICE vehicles after 2035...

I imagine when this current government is replaced, this target date will be pushed farther out as it's not realistic.

 

[Bumblebee]

I was reading something last evening regarding infrastructure enhancements to accept mass EV, the amount of copper for power lines is staggering and experts are questioning the amount of raw materials available (copper, precious metals) to make both batteries, EV platforms and power infrastructure in the form of high power lines and sub stations all of which take vast amounts of copper.

 

[TallTom]

I was reading something last evening regarding infrastructure enhancements to accept mass EV, the amount of copper for power lines is staggering and experts are questioning the amount of raw materials available (copper, precious metals) to make both batteries, EV platforms and power infrastructure in the form of high power lines and sub stations all of which take vast amounts of copper.

Yep. This was pointed out earlier in this thread. And in congressional hearings.

 

[Bumblebee]

Yep. This was pointed out earlier in this thread. And in congressional hearings.

None of the powers that be seem to be getting it though...

Our fearless leader has decreed that ICE will be phased out by 2035.....that isn't that far away and it will take at least that long to get the infrastructure up to the required standard if they started today....

 

[mark3evo]

If you look at these sorts of videos, you can find a similar one on each car company so I question it's validity....

One a similar note, the Canadian government has announced there will be no sales of ICE vehicles after 2035...

I imagine when this current government is replaced, this target date will be pushed farther out as it's not realistic.

UK pushed back from a ridiculous 2030 to 2035 this year... this will move out.
The Germans are already demanding the ICE with sustainable fuels are allowed beyond 2035

Germany requests e-fuel exemption from EU’s 2035 ICE ban | Autocar

Low-carbon fuels could allow the continued sale of new ICE cars past 2035, argues German transport secretary

www.autocar.co.uk

 

[jellyrug]

I was reading something last evening regarding infrastructure enhancements to accept mass EV, the amount of copper for power lines is staggering and experts are questioning the amount of raw materials available (copper, precious metals) to make both batteries, EV platforms and power infrastructure in the form of high power lines and sub stations all of which take vast amounts of copper.

If you understand how the grid works, for residential customers who charge at home, short to medium term there is no risk in Canada and even less risk in the US. Longer term there is ample time available to upgrade the grid.

If your distributor does not know what and how to handle it, I would be happy to show then. But I am pretty sure they are knowledgeable about this, irrespective of what you may read anywhere.

We had this discussion before, but it is getting a bit old and I don’t have the energy to explain your “load factor” in Canada, what it is, what it means, and how to manage it to folks who do not understand the intricacies of electrical power distribution.

 

[Bumblebee]

If you understand how the grid works, for residential customers who charge at home, short to medium term there is no risk in Canada and even less risk in the US. Longer term there is ample time available to upgrade the grid.

If your distributor does not know what and how to handle it, I would be happy to show then. But I am pretty sure they are knowledgeable about this, irrespective of what you may read anywhere.

We had this discussion before, but it is getting a bit old and I don’t have the energy to explain your “load factor” in Canada, what it is, what it means, and how to manage it to folks who do not understand the intricacies of electrical power distribution.

I'm just echoing what I gather from the experts in their fields are saying...

Perhaps you need to move here and take over the electrical power distribution as you make it seem so much simpler than they do.

The good news is I believe this current government will not be reelected and the incoming government if elected will squash this 2035 deadline.

 

[jellyrug]

Perhaps you need to move here and take over the electrical power distribution as you make it seem so much simpler than they do.

Can be explained in relatively simple terms, to someone who is willing to listen and learn. Not worth the effort though, as the information won’t be digested, neither appreciated by you.

Definition of the “Experts” you refer to..

“Ex” is a has been.

“Perts” move the s and spert is a drip under pressure.

 

[Bumblebee]

Can be explained in relatively simple terms, to someone who is willing to listen and learn. Not worth the effort though, as the information won’t be digested, neither appreciated by you.

Definition of the “Experts” you refer to..

“Ex” is a has been.

“Perts” move the s and spert is a drip under pressure.

Really?
You stoop to breaking down a word? You must think I'm really dense......that assumption would be false.

I'd imagine these experts have a bit more of a grasp on the situation than you do as they are in this field and these people are saying that our power grid is fragile and at it's maximum right now without the addition of hundreds of thousands of charging stations.

When I see your name being broadcast as the Commissioner of Energy Regulator, I may take notice and heed what you say with slightly more vigor....as it stands, you are a guy on a motorcycle forum with an opinion, same as I am....

 

[jellyrug]

Really? You stoop to breaking down a word? You must think I'm really dense......that assumption would be false. I'd imagine these experts have a bit more of a grasp on the situation than you do as they are in this field and these people are saying that our power grid is fragile and at it's maximum right now without the addition of hundreds of thousands of charging stations. When I see your name being broadcast as the Commissioner of Energy Regulator, I may take notice and heed what you say with slightly more vigor....as it stands, you are a guy on a motorcycle forum with an opinion, same as I am....

No worries, those who think they know, but don’t, will never know.

If anyone else on this thread is interested in why the grid for residential charging is a non issue, medium term, I will be pleased to explain.

 

[Bumblebee]

No worries, those who think they know, but don’t, will never know.

I'd say the people who work and govern the industry knows far more than you and I know and they are saying the power grid isn't ready for mass EV.

I don't profess to be an expert in this field, however I am very versed in gleaning information from those who are.

 

[jellyrug]

I'd say the people who work and govern the industry knows far more than you and I know and they are saying the power grid isn't ready for mass EV.

I don't profess to be an expert in this field, however I am very versed in gleaning information from those who are.

Last time we were here you made some really stupid statements and got annoyed when I exploited them. So since you don’t want to know, let’s just leave it there.