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Dude, that's classic! Some marketing guy just became a legend and probably got a huge raise and went out and bought that 911 he always wanted. The funny thing is the Cyber Truck probably ran out of juice and had to be towed back to the pits and someone drove the 911 home. Haha!
I know from my experience with RC EV, if I work my truck hard, the battery and electrical system gets extremely hot, at times too hot to handle.

Last summer I did a few really high speed runs and melted some wires even with a finned air cooled speed controller...

I'd imagine running a full sized EV would have the same effect and over time will do damage to the battery and systems.....even with liquid cooling of the systems...

When the Tesla Plaid was running against the Hayabusa and other bikes, it had to take a few cooling off periods as it over heated it's systems and brakes.
 
Even though we have danced this dance before.....
We have but you got up for one more...
Sometimes it's hard for me to sit down and shut up when I read things like this:

If it wasn't written from information from Consumer Reports I wouldn't put much faith in it.

EDITORIAL: Electric vehicles? Let the buyer beware​



...and then completely ignored the point of my post. We as humans have to find another way, that's irrefutable and I for one chose not to sweep it under the rug. There really is no point in continuing to discuss this.
 
...and then completely ignored the point of my post. We as humans have to find another way, that's irrefutable and I for one chose not to sweep it under the rug. There really is no point in continuing to discuss this.
.....agreed......until we do again as it is the custom it seems....

I read your post and as you will note I "liked" it...and it seems we are even in this regard as you completely ignored my post (#1059) where in many cases I substantiated your position....and agreed with where the future needs to go....will it ever go there? Most likely not because change of that scale is next to impossible to achieve.

Although I see it as not just only an ICE polluter but also an EV polluter...they both pollute, just on different plains.
 
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here are some points to remember - they are not about net zero

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An example of ‘net zero’ madness
This is a Tesla battery. It takes up all of the space under the passenger compartment of the car.
To manufacture it you need:
--12 tons of rock for Lithium
-- 5 tons of Cobalt minerals
-- 3 tons of mineral for nickel
-- 12 tons of copper ore
You must move 250 tons of soil to obtain:
-- 12 kg of Lithium
-- 30 pounds of nickel
-- 22 kg of manganese
-- 15 pounds of Cobalt
To manufacture the battery requires:
-- 100 Kg of RAM chips
-- 200 kg of aluminum, steel and/or plastic
The Caterpillar 994A is used for the earthmoving to obtain the essential minerals. It consumes 264 gallons of diesel in 12 hours.
Finally you get a “zero emissions” car.
Presently, the bulk of the necessary minerals for manufacturing the batteries come from China or Africa. Much of the labor for getting the minerals in Africa is done by children! If we buy electric cars, it's China who profits most!
BTW, this 2021 Tesla OEM battery is currently for sale on the Internet for $4,999 not including shipping or installation.
Update: What’s very interesting about a public post is the sheer number of ‘sparse’ or dead accounts that come out of the woodwork in ‘support’ of such an industry and then start saying how bad the petrol and oil industry is.
Now let’s get this straight, the oil industry is not squeaky clean and there are very obvious downsides but these electric vehicles are NOT the answer.
 
.....agreed......until we do again as it is the custom it seems....

I read your post and as you will note I "liked" it...and it seems we are even in this regard as you completely ignored my post (#1059) where in many cases I substantiated your position....and agreed with where the future needs to go....will it ever go there? Most likely not because change of that scale is next to impossible to achieve.

Although I see it as not just only an ICE polluter but also an EV polluter...they both pollute, just on different plains.
Fair enough I repectfully leave this thread which I believe is a really important one
 
here are some points to remember - they are not about net zero
post is the sheer number of ‘sparse’ or dead accounts that come out of the woodwork in ‘support’ of such an industry and then start saying how bad the petrol and oil industry is.
Now let’s get this straight, the oil industry is not squeaky clean and there are very obvious downsides but these electric vehicles are NOT the answer.
The EV battery production is obviously ‘unsustainable’ (to use their own terms) as you’ve just noted with the list of components and work required to make just one battery…. And that begs the question… why go down that road when it’s so difficult to extract the metals, minerals etc not to mention the forced child labour involved.
It’s glaringly obvious that this is an interim measure before the next generation of “net zero” vehicles is released to world’s populace.
Hydrogen powered vehicles are touted as the next great thing but the energy required to extract the hydrogen from water is too great in relation to energy obtained by burning hydrogen in an engine.
Which leads to the end game…

Anti Gravity is the final goal, in my opinion. ( remember the Jetsons )

And do you really think the world’s controllers are going to allow us all to have that technology?
I doubt it.

A Busa is always going to be best with the glorious sound emitting from a 4 into 1 Akrapovic ( my chosen church organ pipes! ) so I’m sticking with hydrocarbon fuel as long as it’s available!

Anyone here got any other ideas about where the road leads and the solution to our energy problems?
 
The EV battery production is obviously ‘unsustainable’ (to use their own terms) as you’ve just noted with the list of components and work required to make just one battery…. And that begs the question… why go down that road when it’s so difficult to extract the metals, minerals etc not to mention the forced child labour involved.
It’s glaringly obvious that this is an interim measure before the next generation of “net zero” vehicles is released to world’s populace.
Hydrogen powered vehicles are touted as the next great thing but the energy required to extract the hydrogen from water is too great in relation to energy obtained by burning hydrogen in an engine.
Which leads to the end game…

Anti Gravity is the final goal, in my opinion. ( remember the Jetsons )

And do you really think the world’s controllers are going to allow us all to have that technology?
I doubt it.

A Busa is always going to be best with the glorious sound emitting from a 4 into 1 Akrapovic ( my chosen church organ pipes! ) so I’m sticking with hydrocarbon fuel as long as it’s available!

Anyone here got any other ideas about where the road leads and the solution to our energy problems?
Yes you have understood
The rich the glaballists will be allowed to fly drive

For the masses it’s mass transit , pushbike or walking

After all why would we need a car in the 15 minute city
 
The EV battery production is obviously ‘unsustainable’ (to use their own terms) as you’ve just noted with the list of components and work required to make just one battery…. And that begs the question… why go down that road when it’s so difficult to extract the metals, minerals etc not to mention the forced child labour involved.
It’s glaringly obvious that this is an interim measure before the next generation of “net zero” vehicles is released to world’s populace.
Hydrogen powered vehicles are touted as the next great thing but the energy required to extract the hydrogen from water is too great in relation to energy obtained by burning hydrogen in an engine.
Which leads to the end game…

Anti Gravity is the final goal, in my opinion. ( remember the Jetsons )

And do you really think the world’s controllers are going to allow us all to have that technology?
I doubt it.

A Busa is always going to be best with the glorious sound emitting from a 4 into 1 Akrapovic ( my chosen church organ pipes! ) so I’m sticking with hydrocarbon fuel as long as it’s available!

Anyone here got any other ideas about where the road leads and the solution to our energy problems?
I think you are overthinking the hydrogen. It's very available in gaseous form. Storing it is the challenge early on. We already have storage solutions for similar gases. But that tech is here, we just need to build more of them.

And then of course on vehicle storage. Hydrogen does like to blow up. So accidents etc have to make it a hardened tank that can sustain impacts......blah blah blah, cue the lawyers.
 
Eh that’s the thing about debating. The other person doesn’t agree. It’s annoying lol
A good debate can be invigorating sometimes....

It actually motivates me to research a subject a little more so I can defend or concede my viewpoint.
 
Apparently the run of the Cybertruck towing a 911 racing another 911 was done on an 1/8 mile track and the 911 was creeping up on the Cybertruck and if this was a 1/4 mile track would have passed it...

Another case of Tesla embellishing it's product.

 
Apparently the run of the Cybertruck towing a 911 racing another 911 was done on an 1/8 mile track and the 911 was creeping up on the Cybertruck and if this was a 1/4 mile track would have passed it...

Another case of Tesla embellishing it's product.

Well I don't think the point was that you should trade your 911 for a Cyber Truck to go racing. But an electric truck beat a Porche off the line while towing the car it was racing! Here's what we should glean from that:

1. That's embarrassing to Porche and more than a little amazing.
2. Electric vehicles offer some serious performance levels that ICE-powered vehicles will find it difficult to match if they can work out the battery issues. Remember ICE power is at a high level of development (dare I say at the limit?) and electric power is at the beginning of its development.

As a side note, the US has issued a directive that we have to design all electric. No gas heat, stoves, water heaters, etc. in government buildings. The future is electric bro.
 
Well I don't think the point was that you should trade your 911 for a Cyber Truck to go racing. But an electric truck beat a Porche off the line while towing the car it was racing! Here's what we should glean from that:

1. That's embarrassing to Porche and more than a little amazing.
2. Electric vehicles offer some serious performance levels that ICE-powered vehicles will find it difficult to match if they can work out the battery issues. Remember ICE power is at a high level of development (dare I say at the limit?) and electric power is at the beginning of its development.

As a side note, the US has issued a directive that we have to design all electric. No gas heat, stoves, water heaters, etc. in government buildings. The future is electric bro.
The 911 isn't known to be a drag car, it is more of a track car and Tesla felt the need to embellish the performance of their product....I can guarantee that this Cybertruck was specially set up for this comparison....

The entire point I personally was trying to make is that the technology for EV is not renewable and just as environmentally unfriendly as ICE.

The burning of fossil fuels in ICE has been substituted for the use of some sort of power generating system (in many cases coal or fossil fuels) to charge EV..

You live life, you see the current power grid in action....do you honestly think it could sustain an entire electrical driven society without trillions and trillions of dollars and decades of updating to make it do so?

I know for a fact I'll be long dead and gone before this becomes even close to a reality...
 
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