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Electricity coming from a lot of sources, including green sources, out of state sources and the coordination was bad regarding what comes when. All that still has nothing to do with how EV charging can be set up.

I don’t think you or Bee will get it, but for the record, note I am talking about residential EV charging.

Supercharging for long distance travelers who wish to charge in short time will take a lot of load. But there is a lot of time to plan for that.
Hi. I am all for the green energy as we have 2 windmills and ground mounted solar panels for the house. I just do not like it in cars. What did someone said that it would only cut the future temps by .0002°F is it worth it in cars. I do not know.
 
Many such articles on this....many small rural volunteer fire departments are really having an issue with how to deal with EV fires as many of these fire departments also have large hiways in their AOR...
The 37,000 gallon part is what struck me. It doesn't matter much where it happens, that's a lot of tanker trucks to be called up when one lights off on any roadway.
 
The 37,000 gallon part is what struck me. It doesn't matter much where it happens, that's a lot of tanker trucks to be called up when one lights off on any roadway.
There is a chemical foam that can be used as well but it takes a lot of water to generate it.....(probably less than without it though).

Once more and more EVs are out there, the need to have well trained fire and rescue people will be paramount. There are issues with manning and training within volunteer fire depts now.
 
One of my neighbor's relative just bought a Tesla and said he likes the safety features especially since he has a new driver in his household...

He can reduce the power, limit the speed, sound and enable all the nanny features to keep them out of trouble.

Hopefully the insurance companies catch up to all the safety features and reduce their premiums on these things...

He was saying there are areas in his city where his car will only go the speed limit-hospital and school zones....
 
A good point was made by a friend of mine who was involved in the wild fires out west....

He said if there were nothing but EVs out there, the extraction of communities would have been next to impossible and in his opinion the death rate would have been much higher with people trying to flee the affected areas and running out of power.

As it was, there were fuel trucks set up in pre-positioned areas to fuel up the cars and truck leaving the affected areas....some had to drive for a thousand kms or more to safety....

Then I look at other natural disasters and wonder about the huge number of cars on freeways escaping hurricanes and know if they were EV, there'd be a lot of abandoned vehicles sitting along the freeway once they ran out of power.

When we had a major ice storm here in Canada, some of our largest cities were without power for a month in some areas....what would someone do with an EV with no means to re-charge it in this situation?
 
Hi. They should make it so all cars can only do 20 to 25 MPH in the city and 55 MPH on the Hi ways.
Hi. But in the future there will be no cars or bikes. Everthing will be coveted in soft rubber fome so if we fall down there will less chance of gitting hurt. Our new leader Hunter Biden will take care of us. All things will be made in China as he will get kick backs from them.
 
When we had a major ice storm here in Canada, some of our largest cities were without power for a month in some areas....what would someone do with an EV with no means to re-charge it in this situation?
The gas pumps at filling stations run on electricity. If the pumps are running, so are the charging stations. Total blackout? I suppose we're all in the predicament, get the bicycle out.
 
The gas pumps at filling stations run on electricity. If the pumps are running, so are the charging stations. Total blackout? I suppose we're all in the predicament, get the bicycle out.
Those gas stations can be run via generators and I've seen that done before....

I've also seen fuel bowsers set up for refueling, I've seen that before as well.....
 
Those gas stations can be run via generators and I've seen that done before....

I've also seen fuel bowsers set up for refueling, I've seen that before as well.....
We'll skip over the fact that during your apocalyptic blackout scenario, a quality generator can charge an EV as well. The fact that you resort to a scenario with probability similar to a scenario where Russia invades Canada and outlaws the sale of gasoline, tells me to step away from the computer and go put the Christmas stuff up.
I have 2 cars, 2 motorcycles and a scooter and they all use gasoline. I've loved internal combustion engines since I was a teenager, so I totally get it.

Just for old times sake, will you say one more time that you're not anti EV? :lol:

Happy New Year
 
We'll skip over the fact that during your apocalyptic blackout scenario, a quality generator can charge an EV as well. The fact that you resort to a scenario with probability similar to a scenario where Russia invades Canada and outlaws the sale of gasoline, tells me to step away from the computer and go put the Christmas stuff up.
I have 2 cars, 2 motorcycles and a scooter and they all use gasoline. I've loved internal combustion engines since I was a teenager, so I totally get it.

Just for old times sake, will you say one more time that you're not anti EV? :lol:

Happy New Year
I'm not an anti-EV, I'm just not sold on them, nor blind to their abundant weaknesses...

The scenario you are eluding to was the total collapse of the power grid due to a huge ice-storm which crippled a city as large as Montreal....

We brought in fuel bowsers to fuel up vehicles...and the generators we had were taxed enough trying to power essential services...

EV would have been completely useless in this scenario as the power was out and/or spotty for more than a month.

I've heard reports from people who were involved in the wild fires in western Canada and they said the same thing happened there, the wild fires put the power grid out and there was no commercial power and they too used fuel tankers in staging areas to fuel vehicles fleeing the area....an EV would be useless in this scenario as well...

If we look at Ukraine and Russia, I could only imagine a Ukrainian family trying to flee the Russian invaders in an EV...
 
I'm not an anti-EV
Thanks :)
The scenario you are eluding to was the total collapse of the power grid due to a huge ice-storm which crippled a city as large as Montreal....
I know. If you knew me better you’d know I research everything, probably too much. Fact is, outside of a few rural areas power is restored pretty quickly in today’s world including Canada. That’s what I was referring to; a total blackout in large area for weeks. In ‘08 Springfield MO was hit with a massive ice storm. Blackouts through about 75% of a city of 200k people. Thing is, within 3 or 4 days or almost everyone had power back including what seemed like all places of business. In today’s world, a complete blackout for weeks has the probability I alluded to before. I know the blackout scenario is another item in the huge pile you’ve assembled in this, your thread, so have at it.
I told you I really don’t care if anyone likes or dislikes EV’s. Society, like water, finds level. On this subject alone, you are almost as fun as Zerks to mess with, but with him it’s almost any subject lol.
 
Thanks :)

I know. If you knew me better you’d know I research everything, probably too much. Fact is, outside of a few rural areas power is restored pretty quickly in today’s world including Canada. That’s what I was referring to; a total blackout in large area for weeks. In ‘08 Springfield MO was hit with a massive ice storm. Blackouts through about 75% of a city of 200k people. Thing is, within 3 or 4 days or almost everyone had power back including what seemed like all places of business. In today’s world, a complete blackout for weeks has the probability I alluded to before. I know the blackout scenario is another item in the huge pile you’ve assembled in this, your thread, so have at it.
I told you I really don’t care if anyone likes or dislikes EV’s. Society, like water, finds level. On this subject alone, you are almost as fun as Zerks to mess with, but with him it’s almost any subject lol.
I was deployed to the ice storm in Montreal for the duration and I saw the devastation of the power grid....and it can happen any time...

If you like to research, research that, it happened in 1998...Montreal is a large city (over 4 million people).


I actually drove a Tesla S earlier today and it was pretty impressive......the owner came with me and I drove it around the block. The owner and I spoke about what I see on this forum and although he loves his car, he could see where I'm coming from as well....

He said it is 3 yrs old and the charge capacity has dropped by a percentage and he notices that in the cold it drops by a fair margin. He lives 2 hrs away and was visiting his brother (a neighbor of mine) and he said there are some circumstances where it struggles to go the round trip without a top up charge along the way....
 
I was going to add, it sure has a pile of tech in it...more like an aircraft than a car...it has a bunch of modes and he normally runs it in "chill" mode to prolong battery life...he said if you put it in sport or ludicrous mode it sucks battery power like nobody's business....

He said ludicrous mode will really set you back in your seat though and most ICE will disappear in the rear view really quickly including most motorcycles.

It was in normal mode when I drove it and was still really fast...
 
I did read about that one and quite a few others. In every instance engineers analyzed what happened and how, and devised methods to not have it happen again. Blackouts such as that and the one in 2003 spurred implementation standards in the industry to minimize the possibility of it happening again.

Regardless, I don't want to argue. I respect your service to your country and it's pretty special you were deployed to help in Montreal.

I really don't care that much about the EV discourse. I think EV's are a good option, others feel otherwise. This thread just gave me something to do with high 20's temps here in the "wonderful" Midwest. Hope your neighbor enjoys his car.
 
I did read about that one and quite a few others. In every instance engineers analyzed what happened and how, and devised methods to not have it happen again. Blackouts such as that and the one in 2003 spurred implementation standards in the industry to minimize the possibility of it happening again.

Regardless, I don't want to argue. I respect your service to your country and it's pretty special you were deployed to help in Montreal.

I really don't care that much about the EV discourse. I think EV's are a good option, others feel otherwise. This thread just gave me something to do with high 20's temps here in the "wonderful" Midwest. Hope your neighbor enjoys his car.
It's his brothers but it is one serious car....I was very impressed even though it is a very expensive car.. I'm one of those nuts that will actually approach an owner and talk to them about their car if they are willing.....I've learned a lot that way-real life research.

The Ice Storm was one example, every year our military deploys to the Winnipeg area to respond to major spring flooding where power is lost to a vast area for weeks, and to wild fires which happen annually where EV would be completely helpless and a hinderance to people trying to extract from the area...

My deploying to the Ice Storm was a total fluke, my team and I were between assignments and were sent there to gather covert intel and assist the provincial police forces. Lots of criminal activity occurred during this disaster...

I learned a lot too....our electrical guys used a lot of innovative means to supply power, one of which was to used a diesel locomotive to power a dairy farm....I thought that was pretty cool....
 
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