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Elon musk is a salesman, and you should never take what a salesman says seriously. Here is his personal car collection
I think this is his favorite, a McLaren F1
Total EV ownership in the US is 1% of vehicles and many EV buyers have a second ice car, for reliability on trips. They are a city toy basically and the saturation seems to have been met because the rate of sales has been falling for some time. This year basically, and that in the face of steep price cuts. Imagine how many busas would be sold if they had dropped the price 30%.
It's basically over for the EV, and not a moment too soon considering the dilapidated grid and road infrastructure. Yes they weigh nearly half as much as a conventional, they are just another Segway basically. He got rich telling everyone they were the future, and anyone silly enough to take his advice is now sitting on a depreciating asset with a 10 year lifespan.
A recent study released by iSeeCars.com—a data-driven car search and research company that helps shoppers find the best car deals by providing key insights and valuable resources—reveals that used EV prices are down 33.7 percent while the average used combustion car price is only down 5.1 percent. Used EV Prices Plummet As Hybrids Hold Strong
Said the horse and buggy forever guy....
Lots of EV are sitting at dealerships and not selling for a reason....people don't want them, people don't trust them nor has the government who are shoving this down people's throats done much to negate this by positively reinforcing what EV can bring to the table....the Tesla I drove was remarkable and I understand the tech but.............
I get to wonder about the millions upon millions of people who currently buy used inexpensive ICE for various reasons-what are these people supposed to do for transportation when all there are is expensive EV and I question if there will ever be a good, reliable inexpensive used EV for the general public (students and other low wage earners).
The common denominator everyone talks about when it comes to EV is the ability to charge them....I've read lots of tying from a particular individual on this forum that the power grid is just fine and can handle millions upon millions of EV but I and the majority of people don't believe this to be true......we all know that if someone has a charging station in their home, they will be plugging their EV in just to make sure it is always fully charged-sucking even more power equivalent to running a dryer or electric stove all day.
If people had horses and buggies but no way of reliably feeding them, housing them or fixing their shoes or repairing the buggies, people wouldn't be interested in them either....probably why they were phased out.
I know this subject has been beaten to death but it still hasn't been resolved and most likely it never will be....
Something has to be done.......but what?
LOL
Here we go again…
Just a small correction.
You have not read lots of material from me that the power grid is just fine and can handle millions of EV’s. You made that up.
I offered to give you a technical Electrical Engineering explanation, of why the residential grid is a non issue. You were not interested in reading that and I was not interested in writing a lengthy explanation if it was going to be a waste of my time.
BTW, as mentioned a gazillion times before. It is unlikely that I would ever own an EV. But in Pinehurst NC, where I live I see a number of them on the roads every time a take a trip.
.....ah yes....you are monitoring and ready to jump in at a moment's notice.....
I like that.
All I have to do is read articles like this to substantiate my position...
How much faith do we have that all these different jurisdictions can all work together to achieve the same goal...
Case in point, we have been waiting for decades to get a stop light put in at a certain intersection that is under the control of three separate entities and they can't seem to get together to resolve the issue even though there are accidents occurring at this intersection all the time...
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How much faith do we have that all these different jurisdictions can all work together to achieve the same goal...
Case in point, we have been waiting for decades to get a stop light put in at a certain intersection that is under the control of three separate entities and they can't seem to get together to resolve the issue even though there are accidents occurring at this intersection all the time...
Canada’s looming power problem is massive and time is running out, report says
Canada must build more electricity generation in the next 25 years than it has in a century to achieve net-zero emissions by 2050, a report says. Read on.
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We talked about the best path to EV success. Bring the cost down, and improve upon battery tech. Back in I think July in this thread I showed VW bringing solid state technology with a 900+ range into testing with rapid recharging abilities. That was immediately scoffed at by the Tesla hypocrites.All I have to do is read articles like this to substantiate my position...
How much faith do we have that all these different jurisdictions can all work together to achieve the same goal...
Case in point, we have been waiting for decades to get a stop light put in at a certain intersection that is under the control of three separate entities and they can't seem to get together to resolve the issue even though there are accidents occurring at this intersection all the time...
Canada’s looming power problem is massive and time is running out, report says
Canada must build more electricity generation in the next 25 years than it has in a century to achieve net-zero emissions by 2050, a report says. Read on.
And there has been no discussion of the cost of that. None of this will work until the cost of EV is less than the cost of ICE.
And ICE can get way more efficient before it goes by way if the dinosaur.
I have a few little problems with your article.All I have to do is read articles like this to substantiate my position...
How much faith do we have that all these different jurisdictions can all work together to achieve the same goal...
Case in point, we have been waiting for decades to get a stop light put in at a certain intersection that is under the control of three separate entities and they can't seem to get together to resolve the issue even though there are accidents occurring at this intersection all the time...
Canada’s looming power problem is massive and time is running out, report says
Canada must build more electricity generation in the next 25 years than it has in a century to achieve net-zero emissions by 2050, a report says. Read on.
1.) Canada won’t be net zero by 2050, a bit of a pipe dream.
2.) It took America around 60 years from the first flight to putting a man on the moon. If the Canadians are not smart enough to upgrade their grid to something which certainly won’t be net zero in 2050 which is 26 years from today, then perhaps you folks should reach out to us Americans. We know how to do that in less than 1/2 that time.
3.) I can configure your grid with very small changes to handle an additional 30% of EV’s comfortably at home in the next year. I can assure you I am not the only one who knows how to do that, you have a lot of competent Canadians who also know how to do that. And then there are some who have no idea. It is unlikely that you will see 30% EV growth in the next few years.
Finally, the article is not about EV’s it is about eliminating fossil fuels entirely, including power generation.
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I didn't write the article, I can only read it and know experts have put information into it......
1). I also agree that being net zero by 2050 is a pipe dream and a laughable one at that.
2). I really don't think the US is the leader in electrical power generation....I can drum up at least more than a few articles to dispel that idea...right now Canada sells electricity to the US even though we pay sky-high premiums for electricity here. The article doesn't say they don't know how to do it but rather it will take a very long time period to get it done.....I shudder to think of how the US will update the electrical grid in some of the larger, older cities with thousands upon thousands of miles of electrical wires to install/update...getting all the copper to do this will be a real challenge.
3). perhaps in main cities but we have a lot of rural and for the most part sparsely populated pockets which will also need this service.
This push towards EV and green tech needs to be a global effort....if Western countries (Europe, North America) follow this tech yet all the other countries continue on their current path, nothing will change...what are the chances of changing how they think and do business I wonder.
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Yep. The U.S. could go 100% Green. At the cost of trillions. It would solve 14% of the global problem.I didn't write the article, I can only read it and know experts have put information into it......
1). I also agree that being net zero by 2050 is a pipe dream and a laughable one at that.
2). I really don't think the US is the leader in electrical power generation....I can drum up at least more than a few articles to dispel that idea...right now Canada sells electricity to the US even though we pay sky-high premiums for electricity here. The article doesn't say they don't know how to do it but rather it will take a very long time period to get it done.....I shudder to think of how the US will update the electrical grid in some of the larger, older cities with thousands upon thousands of miles of electrical wires to install/update...getting all the copper to do this will be a real challenge.
3). perhaps in main cities but we have a lot of rural and for the most part sparsely populated pockets which will also need this service.
This push towards EV and green tech needs to be a global effort....if Western countries (Europe, North America) follow this tech yet all the other countries continue on their current path, nothing will change...what are the chances of changing how they think and do business I wonder.
How much do you think it will cost if no one goes green?
I personally think the only way to make green a reality is to alter how people live.....right now people are expanding geographically and urban sprawl has become extreme....currently some people have a one way commute of over an hour...even with EV this is too far. Commuting has to be eliminated.
We need to reduce the human foot print and have everyone live within certain confines thus eliminating the need for personal vehicles, everyone can then take some sort of transit or work in the building/area in which they live...
Subdivisions could remain but all supporting resources will be contained within them so people can walk to these services...any travel outside the subdivision will be done via public transport.
Doing anything else is just fooling ourselves. EV/ICE are both not environmentally friendly as they both use non-renewable resources and require some sort of refueling/recharging ability......going to EV is just substituting one problem with another equally as bad.
You are veering away from EV’s and your claim that the current grid, won’t keep up with EV growth.I didn't write the article, I can only read it and know experts have put information into it......
1). I also agree that being net zero by 2050 is a pipe dream and a laughable one at that.
2). I really don't think the US is the leader in electrical power generation....I can drum up at least more than a few articles to dispel that idea...right now Canada sells electricity to the US even though we pay sky-high premiums for electricity here. The article doesn't say they don't know how to do it but rather it will take a very long time period to get it done.....I shudder to think of how the US will update the electrical grid in some of the larger, older cities with thousands upon thousands of miles of electrical wires to install/update...getting all the copper to do this will be a real challenge.
3). perhaps in main cities but we have a lot of rural and for the most part sparsely populated pockets which will also need this service.
This push towards EV and green tech needs to be a global effort....if Western countries (Europe, North America) follow this tech yet all the other countries continue on their current path, nothing will change...what are the chances of changing how they think and do business I wonder.
Let’s see how much you really know, last time I tried this you flunked horribly.
But let’s start real slow:
Your current house if you live in Canada, has a 240V feed coming in. What is your main incoming breaker rated at?
Mine is a 200 amp breaker
Let's be clear, the experts are saying the grid won't keep up, not me....I'm not an expert....nor are you or your paper dispelling these other experts would have been published.
Why can't the government buy back the batteries? Or at least put in enough to make it palatable to the average EV buyer? Is that out of the question?
OK cool 200 amp incoming.
So I would assume then your water heater is electrical, so is your AC and your AC also has an emergency electrical heat capability when the load is too much for your heat pump? Oven and stove, gas or electrical.?
PS, I have not written a paper. I am a PE (Registered Professional Engineer) Power distribution to residential towns is a simple as it gets, and if I did not understand that without some practical experience, it is unlikely I would ever have passed the board exam.
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Not EV. But big picture related. Recently there has been a resurgence by the agri community that's gaining some traction. The greenies have highlighted that the biggest greenhouse gas polluters is the Ag market. By far.
Now they are starting to fight back. They went back and looked at the data for greenhouse gases back in the days when Buffalo roamed the lands in far more numbers than all the cattle we have in total now.
And studied the soil.
The soil actually carbon sinked back then. They believe the advent of modern fertilizers have destroyed the soil eco-systems. It grows surface grass great, but it kills most everything else in the soil.
Back in the days of the Buffalo, the prairies had feet+ of vibrant topsoil. That grew grasses naturally in enough quantities to feed a lot more bovine than we do now. All of that is gone.
Some pretty interesting science going on to broaden our understanding of things.
Yes mankind has caused a lot of damage. But we have to eat. And clothe our populations. We just like to blame shift. We should be fostering better land use. And better ag practices. Instead of attacking vehicles.
Ranchers have begun to go back to better land use voluntarily. Why? The savings in the cost of fertilizer is huge. They are starting to adopt migrating the cattle to simulate how the Bison did it naturally. The grass comes back in better quality than artificially fertilized. So no seeding cost to grow what becomes hay. Which much of, goes to waste. And better quality food, results in better quality cattle.
Sorry we drifted off EVs. But it's still a worthy discussion that sort of connects.
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For me I'd need 3 EV's and 3 chargers. I work everyday and drive 210 miles a week. Wife works so one for her but she works in town which is good but come the weekend it's shopping time and she'll be driving all over the place lol. Since I have older kids I need a 3rd one to cover their needs cause I let them use one of my 5 other cars lol.
My House use's gas for the main heat and a water heater, during the winter my electric bill is less than 70 dollar's but come Summer the bill jumps to 300/400 range with the AC on and I'm wondering adding 3 EV's would cause ? I know you save on gasoline, but all my vehicles are paid for and the cost for new EV's, parts, insurance, rewiring the house, etc, doesn't make sense for me at my age. I don't think I'll be going over to the Dark Side in my life time and rather spend that money on something fun like an Electric Drag Bike.
My House use's gas for the main heat and a water heater, during the winter my electric bill is less than 70 dollar's but come Summer the bill jumps to 300/400 range with the AC on and I'm wondering adding 3 EV's would cause ? I know you save on gasoline, but all my vehicles are paid for and the cost for new EV's, parts, insurance, rewiring the house, etc, doesn't make sense for me at my age. I don't think I'll be going over to the Dark Side in my life time and rather spend that money on something fun like an Electric Drag Bike.
When I was posted out west in Alberta,
I talked to a few ranchers that were at the leading edge of this sort of thinking....they adopted the migrating herd ideology and started using horses to move them instead of 4 wheelers like they used to...
It was quite interesting to go to the symposiums and learn more about this way of forward thinking....the cattle and land were healthier.
They also had a few people from the Ministry of Lands and Forests there who were speaking on a variety of subjects some of which were forest fires and the good that they did for the forests...
They did a few studies on this and had an area of forest which 100% protected from fires with an in ground sprinkler system and a section of forest where they had controlled burns....the forest area that had the controlled burns was healthy and lush and the other protected area was overgrown and unhealthy with lots of dead trees and vegetation from insects that would be killed off by fire.
They also did a study of the prairie where large herbivores grazed then migrated and where the large herbivores were absent...the non-grazed area was shabby and weeds were taking over whereas the grazed and migrated area was lush and full....
It was pretty interesting as I came from a cattle farm background and we would constantly move our herd from field to field (by horse).
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