RacingJake
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No Bee that's why I have a B King, I need to get away from some of those fools every now or then LOL.
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No Bee that's why I have a B King, I need to get away from some of those fools every now or then LOL.
Did some infrastructure development for these guys.
This is where agriculture is going, tiny footprint, almost 100% of the irrigation water gets reused, and no soil, no pollution.
I have no heat pump, just AC, e-water heater, e-stove/oven, e-dryer, 240 going to the garage for an e-heater, 240 v water pump (on a well), I have a forced air oil furnace (although there is natural gas running by my house).
I also have a Generac power back up system that surges to 10,500 k but runs at 9,500....
Almost all the homes in my area are operating the same systems although they are pretty much all on natural gas and not all have a back up power system...we have a sump pump that runs a lot in the spring so it's a necessity as we've lost commercial power several times for more than a day.
There is a hydro tech who lives up the street that has commented on how fragile our electrical grid is and how close we have been to having brown outs on several occasions....he told me the grid needs a complete overhaul as some of the systems are old and his colleagues are saying the same thing...
When I deployed to the Ice Storm we had in 1998, I saw first hand what it looks like when a complete grid goes down and a city of 4 million is without commercial power...I only shudder to think how that would have gone if we were operating all EV....
As you know as a registered professional engineer, people who have written published papers carry a lot more weight, I'd imagine the people in the link I provided are current in the field and most likely have published papers on the subject-they are the subject matter experts and whom the government goes to for guidance and advice so they would be the people I listen to.
The problem I see with that is-where does the government get their money from?
It would end up being all the taxpayers subsidizing those who have EV-even people who have no vehicle at all.
Here in Canada, our current government has subsidized VW and Stellantis 6 billion dollars a piece to build battery plants and on top of this, these companies plan on bringing in 2500 non Canadian temporary workers...once this current government is voted out (and it will be) the incoming government will be adjusting this deal thankfully....
Unfortunately I know a lot of experts who have written a lot of papers and books, which seem to sell very well. I was one of the unfortunate guys who mostly had to do their job for them or fix their problems for them, because other than writing, they could get nothing done at the factories or in the field. Probably why I never got the time to write books.
So further to your house, let's take the next little step:
I know you are a homebody, so how many miles does your wife commute on average every day to work and back and other errands?
I'm going to show you why if I install your charging device for an EV with the cooperation of your electrical supplier, the grid will not even know it is there. So if you don't want to know, best not to answer more questions.
PS. If your heating is done via a forced air oil furnace, you probably could have gotten by with a 100a breaker. But mose homes around 3000 sq ft heated have the 200a
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TallTom
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Yes Canada was highlighted as one of the areas where Bison were plentiful. I think that is where they found some of the original soils to sample. It was pretty stunning the amount of Bison that once was.
My wife commutes 50 miles a day without any errands.
I know what you are eluding to....technically we could go to an EV and do just fine until we want to travel out of our area-the nearest city is 100+ miles away and in many cases, we have doctor and specialist appointments there as we have a small hospital here.
I have friends who have EV and they sometimes travel the distance to the city (100 miles+ one way to the outskirts) and as the city is sprawled out, they could travel another 60 miles within the city doing what they are doing....in most cases these people have to recharge their EV before coming home as there is very little between where we live and the city. Add in the very diverse and often windy, snowy, rainy weather we often have and the draw on EV batteries is big.
My wife and I talked about getting an EV or a hybrid but she is even more opposed to them than I am, she often goes to the city and wants the freedom to not suffer from range anxiety......and I don't blame her.
When you see pictures like this it is an indication of just how many Bison were out there and how many were killed....
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Yeah man can sure eff things up.
...sounds like smart cities
I miss mine
@Bumblebee needs a B-king...one test sit for comfort, one test ride to confirm it is indeed a Busa, one ecu flash to be amazed...and once again it's a 2 bike garage...short riding season be dam*ed.
lol
You know, in all the years online looking at B-king pictures...I never saw a black and yellow one...
It looked like hybrid tech was advancing well, before the EV push.
I have 3 friends with hybrids, one is a '22 Toyota Hylander, a '22 Rav-4, and a '23 Camry.
All 3 say the computer says they get 46mpg.
All 3 have 25-30 mile commutes to work, and on mainly ruaral country roads with 55mph speed limits.
Hills, curves, driving the speed limit, or 10mph over, not to mention 3 different models weights.
One said he calculated mpg twice at the same pump when he got it, and got 45 and 46mpg.
That is what they're rated to get too, and even if the ecu was generous(my F150 says it gets 2mpg more than it does, and it can be set correctly, but I don't care), low 40's, even 40mpg is real world useable.
I don't want you to get an EV, neither suggesting it. For myself I won't.
I'm just trying to show you that your electrical grid can handle a lot of EV's charging from home, even if the current grid is overloaded.
Not going to waste more time on this, but in comparison it is pretty much like your Hayabusa. It has a motor, lets just say 200hp at the crank and it needs that otherwise you won't buy it. But in reality, you can never use all of that, riding on the street you will be lucky if you use even 15% of that. But you need the 200hp to show bragging rights on the strip, even then it is impossible to use the whole 200hp through the entire 1/4 mile.
The same thing goes for electricity at your house. If you had a power outage for a day or so and your supplier switches you back on, everything starts together, everything, your water heaters, your AC, everything draws power at once and your supplier sees a huge power demand. He has to have the capacity to supply that demand. After an hour or so your water heater is up to temperature, it cycles, same with the AC etc., so the demand is a whole lot less.
In electricity, the average power used compared to maximum available is called the "Load Factor" The maximum needs to be within your "Installed capacity" The Busa 200hp.
Canada is pretty bad, you have a load factor of around 30% on average.
The USA on average is around 10%
This is nothing new, but your electrical cables can be used for digital communication and your supplier can switch certain supply points on and off as they wish, with inexpensive technology. My AC for instance is wired that way, if there is too much demand to the grid, my supplier has the ability to cycle it on an off with automatic controls. The cycles are such, that it hardly affects the home temperature. The same would go for a hot water heater. Those are called "off demand" supply points. Things like your stove, oven, etc. are called "on demand" supply points, as you won't be happy baking a cake and all of a sudden we switch off your oven.
It follows that almost all home EV's charge at night, they charge when a whole bunch of factories in your area are shut down for the night, when all your lights are off, when your oven and stove is not working, when your washer and dryer is asleep. So a whole lot of your installed capacity is not being used. And if there is an issue, your EV outlet can be wired with your supplier to cycle on and off should you decide to charge during the middle of the day and the grid is overloaded. Depending on how many EV's are charging in your neighborhood in the middle of the day, it may just take a little longer to charge your battery.
In Canada, industrial consumers are charged usage kWh as well as maximum demand kW. Which means they can save a whole lot of money by not starting all their motors at once and by regulating what runs when. Consumers don't pay for demand kW. This is a huge issue for companies who wish to supply superchargers, as they draw a whole lot of kW when charging a battery in 30 minutes. You guys are going to have to figure out how to handle that, otherwise it will get really expensive.
In the US, they do not charge for maximum demand.
Most of Europe charges maximum demand, even at residential level, as they are not that wasteful as we are. In short it means they are trying to get away with a much smaller motor than 200hp in your Busa, while keeping everyone happy, as it costs a lot less than the depreciation on large turbines.
Bee, if you still don't get it, will be no surprise, but at least I tried.
If you do get it, maybe you want to publish it as your paper under your own name.
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@sixpack577 I'm about to do another Wing installment.
The best I got by trying really hard on our Prius was 62mpg. I got it for my wife though, who was commuting 160 miles a day to college and back. After she graduated, that was the end of that.
Must say the new Prius has some impressive performance numbers, but still not for me.
If I would have found a BKing before I found the Bumblebee, I would have had it in a second....
I love them other than the stock exhaust.....
My son bought a new Hyundai Santa Fe hybrid and he can go 70 kms on EV...he only lives 4 kms from his work so he runs it on EV....I told him he's close enough to walk or ride a bicycle and the extra $9,000 he spent getting the hybrid would sure burn a lot of gasoline...
I get it and understand the off-peak hours...I also know that if someone has an EV and a supercharger in their home, I will guarantee if that EV is in the driveway it will be plugged in regardless of the time of day...people are wired like that....I don't want you to get an EV, neither suggesting it. For myself I won't.
I'm just trying to show you that your electrical grid can handle a lot of EV's charging from home, even if the current grid is overloaded.
Not going to waste more time on this, but in comparison it is pretty much like your Hayabusa. It has a motor, lets just say 200hp at the crank and it needs that otherwise you won't buy it. But in reality, you can never use all of that, riding on the street you will be lucky if you use even 15% of that. But you need the 200hp to show bragging rights on the strip, even then it is impossible to use the whole 200hp through the entire 1/4 mile.
The same thing goes for electricity at your house. If you had a power outage for a day or so and your supplier switches you back on, everything starts together, everything, your water heaters, your AC, everything draws power at once and your supplier sees a huge power demand. He has to have the capacity to supply that demand. After an hour or so your water heater is up to temperature, it cycles, same with the AC etc., so the demand is a whole lot less.
In electricity, the average power used compared to maximum available is called the "Load Factor" The maximum needs to be within your "Installed capacity" The Busa 200hp.
Canada is pretty bad, you have a load factor of around 30% on average.
The USA on average is around 10%
This is nothing new, but your electrical cables can be used for digital communication and your supplier can switch certain supply points on and off as they wish, with inexpensive technology. My AC for instance is wired that way, if there is too much demand to the grid, my supplier has the ability to cycle it on an off with automatic controls. The cycles are such, that it hardly affects the home temperature. The same would go for a hot water heater. Those are called "off demand" supply points. Things like your stove, oven, etc. are called "on demand" supply points, as you won't be happy baking a cake and all of a sudden we switch off your oven.
It follows that almost all home EV's charge at night, they charge when a whole bunch of factories in your area are shut down for the night, when all your lights are off, when your oven and stove is not working, when your washer and dryer is asleep. So a whole lot of your installed capacity is not being used. And if there is an issue, your EV outlet can be wired with your supplier to cycle on and off should you decide to charge during the middle of the day and the grid is overloaded. Depending on how many EV's are charging in your neighborhood in the middle of the day, it may just take a little longer to charge your battery.
In Canada, industrial consumers are charged usage kWh as well as maximum demand kW. Which means they can save a whole lot of money by not starting all their motors at once and by regulating what runs when. Consumers don't pay for demand kW. This is a huge issue for companies who wish to supply superchargers, as they draw a whole lot of kW when charging a battery in 30 minutes. You guys are going to have to figure out how to handle that, otherwise it will get really expensive.
In the US, they do not charge for maximum demand.
Most of Europe charges maximum demand, even at residential level, as they are not that wasteful as we are. In short it means they are trying to get away with a much smaller motor than 200hp in your Busa, while keeping everyone happy, as it costs a lot less than the depreciation on large turbines.
Bee, if you still don't get it, will be no surprise, but at least I tried.
If you do get it, maybe you want to publish it as your paper under your own name.
I use the off-peak time myself when it comes to running the dryer so I get the concept....
As it stands now, we have very few EV on our grid, I wonder what it would be like to have several per household on the grid....just like @RacingJake said, many homes have multiple vehicles serving various purposes...once EV is mandated, home maintenance EV will be also making yet another thing to be plugged into the grid..
I've also read one supercharger takes the power of 5 homes....
As for publishing a paper, I've never alluded to the fact I am in any way qualified to do so but there are many out there that are and have that I can draw knowledge from.....
As far as I know there is not such a thing as a "Home Supercharger"
There is a 120V slow charger with to a 15a outlet, or a 240V charger to a 50a outlet. The latter will give you around 44 miles per hour of charging.
If you want to charge a 80kWh battery in 30 minutes, you will need something North of 160kW, not available in a home unless you turn it into a factory. Superchargers are available only in charging stations.
Sigh
Why would you want to run your dryer off peak?
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Why would I want to run my dryer on peak is the real question....our rates are much higher on peak times around here...
Although I've not researched putting a supercharger in a home this is what my friend who did put in a fast charger called it so I naturally assumed it was a supercharger.
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