It's -2° in southwest Missouri right now so that's a big fat no for me as well.
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Yep, saw that...
I also saw some feed about the cold snap in western Canada where lots of EV are stranded as well...
In the same breath, it don't matter what you drive there will be problems as ICE vehicles freeze up and starter batteries die quickly in that extreme cold.....booster cables are a must.
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You can call it digressing all you like. If you have made those statements and have agreed you do, then we are in the present.
Now let's migrate into your link.
I know you're glad we got here.
Did you review the data it and support what was presented?
Stop and think why we are having such extreme temperatures. All time coldest NFL game ever in Kansas City last weekend. Chicago had negative double digit temps. Natural weather pattern? That's what anti environmentalists say. Not bloody likely. While the argument continues, we are slowly killing ourselves if we don't figure out a better way.
I don't know, I've seen some wild weather in my time....and many of the old timers also recall some crazy weather from when they were kids in the '30s......our industrial revolution couldn't have influenced the weather that much in those days.....
Like many things not a lot of it was recorded or broadcasted like it is now.
I believe we have influenced it now but to what degree is the question...as long as there is lots of volcanic activity such as there is in these times.
All the deforestation isn't helping and all the huge mines looking for precious metals and such to build batteries ( I say build batteries as there are a lot of companies focusing on that right now).
Something needs to be done....but what?
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Getting away from dependence on oil is one of them. Oil seems in good supply now but it's not going to replenish at anywhere near the speed we need. Nobody seems to care about two generations down the line. It's time now to find different ways to manage and electric might be one answer. Trying, failing, and fixing is how humans progress. It's always been that way. It's time to try.
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How do you boost start an EV?
For us mere mortals, it’s hard to know what Mother Nature exactly will be doing. I tend to listen to those who make this a career of research and study. They know a lot more than I do.
All I know is that we can prove in the lab with a simple experiment that CO2 traps heat. We also know that CO2 levels in the atmosphere are substantially higher than ever recorded before.
If we look at data in almost any trend, about anything, statistically we look at at the mean (average) and correlation.
Last year on average was the warmest year ever recorded. The cold spell we see now is only a small sample of data points, I don’t think it will throw the correlation off by much and won’t have a big impact on the average temperatures for 2024.
I've read there is development of a synthetic fuel to replace gasoline that is supposed to burn cleaner...
Even the production of EV requires fossil fuels.....and the materials to make batteries are non-renewable and we will eventually run out of those as well...
I look at this in a different light...to me, the war on drugs is a crisis that has to be sorted out....
Global water, soil and ground pollution is a crisis that needs to be sorted out as well...we are very quickly poisoning our environment in this manner.
Transitioning to EV is not a crisis but something has to be done to the use of fossil fuels in heavy consumption-large ships, aircraft soon need to be regulated and sanctioned in their use....I have a ship tracker and the number of cruise ships burning millions and millions of gallons of fossil fuel is staggering....all so people can travel around and play.....do we really need this?
People who travel on cruise ships also fly to their destinations to embark on these ships so there is a gigantic carbon foot print for a person to do this activity....the skies are full of fuel sucking aircraft shuttling people all over the place...even the term "commuter aircraft" makes zero sense....
In the same breath, someone comes along and says we have to all drive EV to save the planet.....hypocrisy at it's best.....
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I was referring to the ICE cars...
Dead EV get a flatbed ride...
Imagine if these were all EV...
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I'm aware. I was merely highlighting the difference.
We were trialing an autonomous support EV a few years back.....it would constantly run low on power and use it's solar panels to recharge which took a long time.....
Our teams would often be at the way-point awaiting the unit and it would register that is was delayed via comm link....it never made the way-points....we couldn't rely on it.
They eventually made it a hybrid and it used a generator to recharge the batteries when they needed it.....the drawback is it lost it's stealth ability and weight carrying capacity and was easily wiped out during training exercises.....
The concept was sound though....
Those crises you list are truly important but don't cancel each other out. They can all be addressed. Synthetic fuels may someday be another answer, and they rely on, hold your breath, solar, wind or hydro. Damn, the green meanies again. People traveling, often to see loved ones, is a right I truly hope we can continue to provide. In my opinion, yes, we really need this. I'm not saying you're one of them, but I see people driving around alone in gigantic crew cab pickups and SUV's all the time, and I'll bet they're ready to limit people's ability to travel abroad to protect their right to their magna vehicle as well.
Putting roughly half the polluting ICE vehicles out of use would be a good start. I don't need to remind you of the effect of all the exhaust emitting from, give or take, a billion tailpipes around the world. It's staggering.
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Or the exhaust being emitted by aircraft and ships.....now that's staggering....millions and millions (probably more) gallons of fuel burning each hour around the globe
I still say there is a huge hypocrisy of forced EV to the masses and all these thousands of aircraft and ships running around for the sole purpose of either amusement or frivolous travel.....I'm certain that in a short time their carbon footprint would outweigh that of automobiles.
EV also require the use of petroleum in the manufacturing process and the mining of materials for their batteries, many of these mines are in South America and the rain forest is being cleared for them.
To add to my stance, what is being done to sort out the billions of polluting ICE vehicles in Asia and other countries where there are zero emission controls in place? Until we get them under control we go no place.
In my former profession the carbon footprint of what we did was immeasurable.......so it's difficult for me to grasp the fact that EV for the masses would have any impact at all on any sort of climate change.
The manufacturing process? You're comparing the carbon footprint of that to the footprint of billions of miles travelled by these manufactured vehicles afterwards? If so...wow.
Besides, lithium is only the now. Solid state batteries are on their way.
When it comes discussing EVs, you're like Zerks II
Yes, the manufacturing process.......I keep getting the term "net Zero" beaten over my head which to me means no use of petroleum....and I know for a fact this isn't a reality....The manufacturing process? You're comparing the carbon footprint of that to the footprint of billions of miles travelled by these manufactured vehicles afterwards? If so...wow.
Besides, lithium is only the now. Solid state batteries are on their way.
When it comes discussing EVs, you're like Zerks II
.....and until some miracle power source comes into being, what will be charging these EVs? As of now it is a lot of fossil fuel generators...that may (may) change in the future...
We'll see what solid state batteries bring...right now they are twice as expensive and heavy as Li batteries...some say the tech is coming to cure these issues......
What about the thousands upon thousands of ships and aircraft plying the oceans and skies burning all that fossil fuel? What is being done to curb that? Nothing is the answer....what about the billions of automobiles in Asia and other poor countries....what is being done about them? Nothing.
What is being done are the western governments know that their citizens will "hop to" and do whatever we are told to do so we are an easy target for the EV narrative push....sales figures show EVs aren't selling because people (for the most part) don't want them.
Zerks follows and prescribes to conspiracy theories whereas I don't have to.
Bee, I'm not claiming that the manufacturing process has zero footprint. Anybody that does is an idiot. I'm only saying that it doesn't compare to the quadzillion miles of exhaust pollutants. Also, that's twice you have claimed that the solid state batteries are heavier. In fact thay are about 1/3 the weight of lithium-ion
batteries.
"To put that into perspective, on average, an 80-kilowatt-hour battery pack in an EV today weighs about 1,000 pounds. At three times the density, an 80-kWh solid-state pack would weigh just 333 pounds. Less weight in an EV means more range"
That from here
It's a good article, touching on good and bad. Learning how to recycle lithium is a huge part of the problem, all part of the trying I mentioned earlier. Furthering research will bring much cleaner fuels to ships and aircraft too. It's all part of the process of advancement.
As far as Zerks, that's why I added the
Just giving you a hard time
Odd that I read somewhere in my vast myriad of searches that solid state batteries were heavier...I guess they are just twice the cost right now and take more raw materials to make them.Bee, I'm not claiming that the manufacturing process has zero footprint. Anybody that does is an idiot. I'm only saying that it doesn't compare to the quadzillion miles of exhaust pollutants. Also, that's twice you have claimed that the solid state batteries are heavier. In fact thay are about 1/3 the weight of lithium-ion
batteries.
"To put that into perspective, on average, an 80-kilowatt-hour battery pack in an EV today weighs about 1,000 pounds. At three times the density, an 80-kWh solid-state pack would weigh just 333 pounds. Less weight in an EV means more range"
That from here
It's a good article, touching on good and bad. Learning how to recycle lithium is a huge part of the problem, all part of the trying I mentioned earlier. Furthering research will bring much cleaner fuels to ships and aircraft too. It's all part of the process of advancement.
As far as Zerks, that's why I added the
I can see the real need for battery recycling centers to be regional in order to cut down on shipping spent batteries on roads and railways...
We currently have recycling centers in our regions so perhaps this can be one more addition to them.
I would say solid state batteries for the masses are a long ways off.
One of the videos I attached explains why EV are not gathering popularity...there's conjecture that they were rushed out and their support base was not put into place before hand requiring the game of catch up to be played which pisses off consumers.
Hilarious everyone in the frozen USA woke up to see half range on their cars and cant even get them to charge.
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