EV vehicles

[Bumblebee]

These confounded volcanoes. Through melinia they have this nasty habit of spewing about 300 years worth of greenhouse gases per eruption. We have to put an end to volcanoes.

Volcanic eruptions are increasing according to the article below but I'd wager they aren't helping the situation any...

Global Volcanism Program | Has volcanic activity been increasing?

Answers to commonly asked questions about Holocene volcanoes and their eruptions based on data from Volcanoes of the World

volcano.si.edu

 

[TallTom]

Volcanic eruptions are increasing according to the article below but I'd wager they aren't helping the situation any...

Global Volcanism Program | Has volcanic activity been increasing?

Answers to commonly asked questions about Holocene volcanoes and their eruptions based on data from Volcanoes of the World

volcano.si.edu

If one of our brilliant data analyzing highly schooled engineers can't figure out the amount of greenhouse gas emissions a volcano emits vs a car., I'm sure one of us dumbarses can. We can see if we can figure out how much closer to the world ending they are putting us compared to buying an EV vs an ICE.

Assuming of course any of us dumbarses care.

 

[jellyrug]

If one of our brilliant data analyzing highly schooled engineers can't figure out the amount of greenhouse gas emissions a volcano emits vs a car., I'm sure one of us dumbarses can. We can see if we can figure out how much closer to the world ending they are putting us compared to buying an EV vs an ICE.

LOL, why do you keep showing everyone what a dumbarse you are?
Did you know that volcanoes actually counteract global warming?

Here let me explain it for you.

The most significant climate impacts from volcanic injections into the atmosphere come from the conversion of sulfur dioxide to sulfuric acid, which condenses rapidly in the stratosphere to form fine sulfate aerosols. The aerosols increase the reflection of radiation from the sun back into space, cooling the the Earth's lower atmosphere or troposphere. A major eruption can reduce temperatures for up to three years.

Further it is estimated that CO2 emitted from volcanic eruptions are less than 1% of that from human activity.


You have shown us that grade 8 math is above your comprehension, but darn, remind me to never take you with for a trivia session, our team will certainly be the last on the board.

 

[Red05]

I guess it will depend on what power source is used to recharge these EV.....we on this forum are focused on North America...what about the rest of the world...if we are to make a difference, the rest of the world needs to be brought on board....and as we all know that will never happen...many of these countries use dirty electricity, have no recycling program nor do they have an environmental management policy.

I am guilty of ignoring the other side of the world. It's tough to wrap your mind around how an event on the other side of the world can effect us all the way to the stock market. As far as weights of vehicles, it's not just EVs, all across this country and probably yours, crew cab pickups and SUVs crowd the roads not only with their size , but weight as well. The average weight of a vehicle has gone from approximately 3200 lbs to over 5000.

This morning over coffee I've decided to give this discussion a rest. I've done this once before, but as the saying goes, fool me once, shame on you...

We'll talk in other threads

 

[Bumblebee]

Volcanic eruptions are increasing according to the article below but I'd wager they aren't helping the situation any...

Global Volcanism Program | Has volcanic activity been increasing?

Answers to commonly asked questions about Holocene volcanoes and their eruptions based on data from Volcanoes of the World

volcano.si.edu

I meant to say decreasing......not increasing......

 

[Bumblebee]

I am guilty of ignoring the other side of the world. It's tough to wrap your mind around how an event on the other side of the world can effect us all the way to the stock market. As far as weights of vehicles, it's not just EVs, all across this country and probably yours, crew cab pickups and SUVs crowd the roads not only with their size , but weight as well. The average weight of a vehicle has gone from approximately 3200 lbs to over 5000.

This morning over coffee I've decided to give this discussion a rest. I've done this once before, but as the saying goes, fool me once, shame on you...

We'll talk in other threads

Always good to take a break and rest from battle from time to time....

 

[TallTom]

LOL, why do you keep showing everyone what a dumbarse you are?
Did you know that volcanoes actually counteract global warming?

Here let me explain it for you.

The most significant climate impacts from volcanic injections into the atmosphere come from the conversion of sulfur dioxide to sulfuric acid, which condenses rapidly in the stratosphere to form fine sulfate aerosols. The aerosols increase the reflection of radiation from the sun back into space, cooling the the Earth's lower atmosphere or troposphere. A major eruption can reduce temperatures for up to three years.

Further it is estimated that CO2 emitted from volcanic eruptions are less than 1% of that from human activity.


You have shown us that grade 8 math is above your comprehension, but darn, remind me to never take you with for a trivia session, our team will certainly be the last on the board.

In that case let's bring on more. Way more effective than EVs.

And I'm happy to discuss your 8th grade math. As long as you're prepared to commit to the data source you used to come up with your 6000%.

I'm fairly certain most of us won't dispute that 1529/25x100=6000% (Actually 6116) but you can round.

 

[TallTom]

I meant to say decreasing......not increasing......

It's OK Bee. It worked like a charm. :-)

 

[jellyrug]

In that case let's bring on more. Way more effective than EVs.

And I'm happy to discuss your 8th grade math. As long as you're prepared to commit to the data source you used to come up with your 6000%.

 

[jellyrug]

In that case let's bring on more. Way more effective than EVs.

And I'm happy to discuss your 8th grade math. As long as you're prepared to commit to the data source you used to come up with your 6000%.

I'm fairly certain most of us won't dispute that 1529/25x100=6000% (Actually 6116) but you can round.

Nope you failed the math test.

(1529 - 25)/25 x 100 = 6016

 

[TallTom]

Nope you failed the math test.

(1529 - 25)/25 x 100 = 6016

I did. So what does 1529/25X100 = then?

If you need my math to be wrong that suits me.
You do the math steps for us all, I had already offered that before. We don't have to debate any differences in equation solving choices if that slows you down to much.

 

[jellyrug]

I did. So what does 1529/25X100 = then?

If you need my math to be wrong that suits me.
You do the math steps for us all, I had already offered that before. We don't have to debate any differences in equation solving choices if that slows you down to much.

Your calculation is a fraction of ICE/EV x 100, it means nothing in terms of any recognized parameter. If you remove the 100 from your calculation it means ICE's burn 61.16 times more than EV's

We are measuring the percentage increase of ICE fires compared to EV fires, as noted in all my posts.

(ICE - EV)/EV x 100

It's grade 8th math.

No worries, thanks for participating and providing entertainment on the ORG.

 

[TallTom]

Your calculation is a fraction of ICE/EV x 100, it means nothing in terms of any recognized parameter. If you remove the 100 from your calculation it means ICE's burn 61.16 times more than EV's

We are measuring the percentage increase of ICE fires compared to EV fires, as noted in all my posts.

(ICE - EV)/EV x 100

It's grade 8th math.

No worries, thanks for participating and providing entertainment on the ORG.

Lol. So I agree with your 6000% result and you want to argue with my agreement. So are you ready to say you commit to your data being presented that you're using?

 

[jellyrug]

Lol. So I agree with your 6000% result and you want to argue with my agreement. So are you ready to say you commit to your data being presented that you're using?

My data is only as good as what research by others show, available on the internet. If you have data which contradicts that, let’s look at it. If your data appears better than mine, I will change my opinion. If not, I will keep my current opinion.

 

[TallTom]

My data is only as good as what research by others show, available on the internet. If you have data which contradicts that, let’s look at it. If your data appears better than mine, I will change my opinion. If not, I will keep my current opinion.

Didn't really feel the need. I simply looked at what you chose to present.
OK so if you don't research the data you select how do you know it's not b/s?

 

[jellyrug]

Didn't really feel the need. I simply looked at what you chose to present.
OK so if you don't research the data you select how do you know it's not b/s?

“Research” includes referencing papers by others, which includes more research by them. So if one reviews these papers it means he does his own research. So it means if I reference a number of articles on the internet, I form an opinion based on my own research.

So in short, as I am not connected to insurance and accident organizations and companies who gather this data, my research relies on the data they post publicly plus the research of others.

I said my opinion relies on the research of others. I never said I don’t do my own research.

If I research information in a field within my own professional competence, I can see whether what is posted by the author is BS or factual. If it is data or information outside my field of competence, I have to use common sense to form an opinion based on many papers from a variety of authors. Those opinions are normally accurate within reason, but sometimes they could be wrong.

The above applies to you, it applies to me and it applies to just about any individual who has the ability to read and has a little comprehension.

 

[TallTom]

“Research” includes referencing papers by others, which includes more research by them. So if one reviews these papers it means he does his own research. So it means if I reference a number of articles on the internet, I form an opinion based on my own research.

So in short, as I am not connected to insurance and accident organizations and companies who gather this data, my research relies on the data they post publicly plus the research of others.

I said my opinion relies on the research of others. I never said I don’t do my own research.

If I research information in a field within my own professional competence, I can see whether what is posted by the author is BS or factual. If it is data or information outside my field of competence, I have to use common sense to form an opinion based on many papers from a variety of authors. Those opinions are normally accurate within reason, but sometimes they could be wrong.

The above applies to you, it applies to me and it applies to just about any individual who has the ability to read and has a little comprehension.

Ok so you just searched on Google (or other search engines) for links that said something to the effect of more ICE cars burn than EV cars? So that was good for your efforts of understanding the data provided. And took that as correct? Did you review the offered citations and credentials of any the sources that were part of your link? Did you review the data sampling?

 

[jellyrug]

Ok so you just searched on Google (or other search engines) for links that said something to the effect of more ICE cars burn than EV cars? So that was good for your efforts of understanding the data provided. And took that as correct? Did you review the offered citations and credentials of any the sources that were part of your link? Did you review the data sampling?

I looked at a number of links on Google, they all indicated the same thing, I challenged you to do your own Google research, but heard nothing back. Remember, “linky challenge”

ICE, electrical motors, batteries and EV’s have a lot in common with my background and experience. I understand exactly how a battery works, from the atom, to mechanical construction to the chemical engineering. Mercedes put me through college, I was involved with their products at all levels.

So based on the above, I formed an opinion which I believe is accurate.

I have asked you to prove me wrong, which you are not willing to do, because you can’t.

So you will just have to believe me that the chances of an EV catching fire is a whole lot less than an ICE vehicle.

There are two kinds of people:

1.) Those who have an opinion, but are humble enough to accept that they are wrong and change there opinion when presented with new information.

2.) Those who have an opinion, but get offended when they are wrong. Their egos get in the way and they will fight tooth and nail to defend what they know is wrong.

I am (1) you are (2).

Based on my people experience, I believe at some point in your life, you either spent a lot of time negotiating for, or perhaps against a workers Union. Am I correct, or did I miss it?

 

[TallTom]

I looked at a number of links on Google, they all indicated the same thing, I challenged you to do your own Google research, but heard nothing back. Remember, “linky challenge”

ICE, electrical motors, batteries and EV’s have a lot in common with my background and experience. I understand exactly how a battery works, from the atom, to mechanical construction to the chemical engineering. Mercedes put me through college, I was involved with their products at all levels.

So based on the above, I formed an opinion which I believe is accurate.

I have asked you to prove me wrong, which you are not willing to do, because you can’t.

So you will just have to believe me that the chances of an EV catching fire is a whole lot less than an ICE vehicle.

There are two kinds of people:

1.) Those who have an opinion, but are humble enough to accept that they are wrong and change there opinion when presented with new information.

2.) Those who have an opinion, but get offended when they are wrong. Their egos get in the way and they will fight tooth and nail to defend what they know is wrong.

I am (1) you are (2).

Based on my people experience, I believe at some point in your life, you either spent a lot of time negotiating for, or perhaps against a workers Union. Am I correct, or did I miss it?

Well if you wish to divert away from your link. You offered a link challenge. I asked you to find a link that showed any ICE that needed anything close to the resources and EV did in the event of a fire. You provided zero. Instead you divert into who catches fire more often. I never at any time have stated anywhere that I thought EVs catch fire more than ICEs. Feel free to look as long as you like. I obviously can't edit anything committed to the content after the fact.

So I didn't know if you simply realizing you couldn't provide a response to the challenge or you just needed to continue on your quest to prove the value of EVs?

So again are you staying you stand by the results you calculated based on data you decided were valid? You checked the listed citations and contributors qualifications.

And I'm glad you're starting to identify your level of comfort about similarities and differences in motors, batteries, etc. We will be going there fairly soon.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Lol