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[jellyrug]

Well if you wish to divert away from your link. You offered a link challenge. I asked you to find a link that showed any ICE that needed anything close to the resources and EV did in the event of a fire.

You asked a lot of questions, so maybe I missed that one. Show me where you asked me to find a link stating that EV fires are much harder to put out?

Thing is, a whole lot of times, more than once in this thread I have explained why EV fires are harder to put out. So why would I try to find a link which contradicts myself?

In fact I stated that it is not possible to extinguish an EV fire, and exactly why.

Problem is, I explained in technical terms why EV fires are a challenge, that probably went right over your head, as you have shown us so many times what a dumbarse you are.

Can’t do grade 8 math, don’t know anything about volcanos, and now this.

So, I will let you be Tom you are the (2) guy as mentioned above, so this will never end.

 

[TallTom]

You asked a lot of questions, so maybe I missed that one. Show me where you asked me to find a link stating that EV fires are much harder to put out?

Thing is, a whole lot of times, more than once in this thread I have explained why EV fires are harder to put out. So why would I try to find a link which contradicts myself?

In fact I stated that it is not possible to extinguish an EV fire, and exactly why.

Problem is, I explained in technical terms why EV fires are a challenge, that probably went right over your head, as you have shown us so many times what a dumbarse you are.

Can’t do grade 8 math, don’t know anything about volcanos, and now this.

So, I will let you be Tom you are the (2) guy as mentioned above, so this will never end.

Post #1263:

"Show us links that show any of the ICE requiring 36,000 gallons of water to extinguish? Any that show that $6,000 blankets needing to be purchased in quantities to prepare cities for these fires? Any of them needing to be hauled off and isolated from other combustible items once extinguished? Link any of them becoming uninsurable due to risk of these fires? Links to show the ICE owners being told they should be parked outside of the garage and away from the house because of fire risk? Links to show us that after purchasing an ICE you then have to spend thousands to allow you to refuel it at home. Thereby increasing the risk of fire.

When you're done with fire comparisons. Then link some examples of any rental car agency that have lost an average of $12,250 per ICE vehicle used in their business model."

You answered none. Now you admit you know all this. Yet you never say "I admit all this is true about EVs" instead of just not answering.

Have you found anything about me saying EVs have more fires than ICE?

 

[jellyrug]

Post #1263:

"Show us links that show any of the ICE requiring 36,000 gallons of water to extinguish? Any that show that $6,000 blankets needing to be purchased in quantities to prepare cities for these fires? Any of them needing to be hauled off and isolated from other combustible items once extinguished? Link any of them becoming uninsurable due to risk of these fires? Links to show the ICE owners being told they should be parked outside of the garage and away from the house because of fire risk? Links to show us that after purchasing an ICE you then have to spend thousands to allow you to refuel it at home. Thereby increasing the risk of fire.

When you're done with fire comparisons. Then link some examples of any rental car agency that have lost an average of $12,250 per ICE vehicle used in their business model."

You answered none. Now you admit you know all this. Yet you never say "I admit all this is true about EVs"

Have you found anything about me saying EVs have more fires than ICE?

Show me where I disagreed with any of that?

Only thing I said is there were a lot less EV fires. And you tried to reply with what is my first language, exposure to hazardous chemicals, strokes, etc….

 

[TallTom]

Show me where I disagreed with any of that?

I'm sure we can arrange that.

So you wanted me to be accountable for something you couldn't recall. And I did so. You're welcome.

But it would be nice for you to actually answer the question you were asked.

 

[jellyrug]

I'm sure we can arrange that. But it would be nice to actually wait for you to actually answer the question you were asked.

You are asked me to research links of things I don’t disagree with. What is the purpose of that?

Before you asked that and after, I explained in technical details why you cannot extinguish an EV battery fire, the only thing you can do is contain it so it does not spread to other areas.

Not once many times.

So why would I want to go and find links confirming what we both already know?

In short, I answered your question before you even asked it. Except, after your question I pointed out that Ev fires are less than 6,000% likely to occur, compared to ICE.

Then you went off to write enough to fill a book, blowing smoke.

Then I opted out of the discussion, as intellectually it made no sense.

Then you made an arse out of yourself by comparing an EV to a volcano, and somehow managed to pull me back into your senseless arguments.

From here I am out.

 

[TallTom]

You are asked me to research links of things I don’t disagree with. What is the purpose of that?

Before you asked that and after, I explained in technical details why you cannot extinguish an EV battery fire, the only thing you can do is contain it so it does not spread to other areas.

Not once many times.

So why would I want to go and find links confirming what we both already know?

In short, I answered your question before you even asked it. Except, after your question I pointed out that Ev fires are less than 6,000% likely to occur, compared to ICE.

Then you went off to write enough to fill a book, blowing smoke.

I'm merely watching you write paragraphs that have yet to show where I ever said there are more EV fires than ICE fires.

I've never asked you to research any of your links. You assure us you always check your data. It's what good engineers do. They understand data better than the less educated people. Would you like for me to go back and find those statements? I should NEVER expect to have to question any data you post.

 

[jellyrug]

I'm merely watching you write paragraphs that have yet to show where I ever said there are more EV fires than ICE fires.

You are the one arguing, at this point about I think you no longer know what you are arguing about. You are totally lost.

I was the one defending, but since I don’t know what you are arguing about at this point, I have no more answers.

Nope, you never said there are more EV fires than ICE fires and I never said EV fires are easier to handle than ICE fires.

So at this point all that remains is your volcano BS which pulled me back into a totally senseless discussion.

As mentioned in a previous post, never argue with an idiot, they will pull you down their level and beat you with experience.

So Tom, you win, I lost and I am out.

 

[TallTom]

You are the one arguing, at this point about I think you no longer know what you are arguing about. You are totally lost.

I was the one defending, but since I don’t know what you are arguing about at this point, I have no more answers.

Nope, you never said there are more EV fires than ICE fires and I never said EV fires are easier to handle than ICE fires.

So at this point all that remains is your volcano BS which pulled me back into a totally senseless discussion.

As mentioned in a previous post, never argue with an idiot, they will pull you down their level and beat you with experience.

So Tom, you win, I lost and I am out.

You're out? Dude. The only one losing focus here is you.

You could have said. I'm sorry Tom, I thought you thought there are more EV fires than ICE. But you can leave. You've stated before you were leaving the EV thread. Maybe this time it sticks.

You don't need to stand by your link.
I'll do it without you. Like I said I can dumb it down for anyone to follow.

 

[Bumblebee]

I can find several such videos as this.....

Range anxiety will turn people away from EV....if solid state batteries manage to become mainstream, perhaps this will alleviate this stress.....

The person in the video makes sense, the range must be expressed in such a manner as everyday driving..

 

[TallTom]

So at this point all that remains is your volcano BS which pulled me back into a totally senseless discussion.

By the way Bee. Nice job. It worked great. You idiot. :-)

 

[Bumblebee]

I like O'Leary....he has common sense and it doesn't matter which news media source interviews him, he is consistent.

 

[TallTom]

I can find several such videos as this.....

Range anxiety will turn people away from EV....if solid state batteries manage to become mainstream, perhaps this will alleviate this stress.....

The person in the video makes sense, the range must be expressed in such a manner as everyday driving..

I remember when we first started discussing solid state batteries. Someone said we were all idiots for talking about it as a realistic thing.

 

[jellyrug]

By the way Bee. Nice job. It worked great. You idiot. :-)

Congrats to both you and Bee.

You guys have two threads running in circles, repeating the same stuff over and over, the same argument over and over and you oppose any intellectual input by filling cyberspace with worthless smoke.

 

[Bumblebee]

Congrats to both you and Bee.

You guys have two threads running in circles, repeating the same stuff over and over, the same argument over and over and you oppose any intellectual input by filling cyberspace with worthless smoke.

I started this thread so I will post anything I want to within the guidelines of forum rules thank you....

Someone else might find this information interesting and that is what this thread is based on....not interdimensional squabbles....

I don't know how this became a thread with only 4 people posting in it but it was meant for the masses on this forum....we are obviously all gear heads or we wouldn't be attracted to the Hayabusa...

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Y’all need to get laid, especially Jelly

 

[Bumblebee]

Y’all need to get laid, especially Jelly

I agree and I'll show this to the wife to let her know that.....maybe she'll listen but after 32 yrs of marriage we generally only have hallway sex these days where we pass each other and say 'eff off'

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

I agree and I'll show this to the wife to let her know that.....maybe she'll listen but after 32 yrs of marriage we generally only have hallway sex these days where we pass each other and say 'eff off'

They make EV sex toys
Rofl

 

[jellyrug]

I agree and I'll show this to the wife to let her know that.....maybe she'll listen but after 32 yrs of marriage we generally only have hallway sex these days where we pass each other and say 'eff off'

I think the "other guy" is luckier than both of us. But I think it takes him at least 1/2 a day of talking and negotiating before he gets it. They say patience is a virtue.

 

[TallTom]

I started this thread so I will post anything I want to within the guidelines of forum rules thank you....

Someone else might find this information interesting and that is what this thread is based on....not interdimensional squabbles....

I don't know how this became a thread with only 4 people posting in it but it was meant for the masses on this forum....we are obviously all gear heads or we wouldn't be attracted to the Hayabusa...

For me it started out with one guy repeatedly telling the thread posters how highly educated he was and jumping in your chyt telling you how uneducated you were. For God's sakes he at one point actually proposed he was smarter than the whole country of Canada. Noone there knows enough about electricity compared to him.

Bee you have a different higher education. You've had to train and organize soldiers to carry out coordinated and organized military operations in very harsh climates and circumstances. From reading your post, I suspect it was your whole career. You taught them common sense and how to rely on it. That has led you well in this thread. You may get caught up in things you didn't know technically. But you don't mind learning. That never makes you wrong. You've gotten better at smelling b/s as this thread has run it's course.

I looked around the site a little. I saw that you knew nothing about Hayabusa starting issues either. How'd that work out after others started posting starting issues with theirs?

Blanca arguing over the current Gaza conflict. Whatya know Blanca, just wasn't educated enough in that thread either.

Then this latest. A self described highly educated, data analysis skilled engineer. Types into his calculator a few keystrokes and says 6000%.

And apparently doesn't once stop and say to himself, can this really be 6000%? It's the first thing I asked myself. I knew his calculator wasn't malfunctioning. So I looked at the link. It's not my first rodeo having to either compose data, or decompose it.

I have a lot of data holes that I'd like to see filled.

Did they define what makes up a fire for an example? Seems like a silly question. But you can have a catastrophic total loss of a vehicle fire. Or you can have a localized fire contained to a small area of a vehicle with less than $1000 damage. Both are fires.

What portion of the 1529 and 25 were fires caused from moving traffic accidents?

Did they find 1529 going back 4 years or 44 years?

By the way Bee. His link confirms you were right about more than one thing you stated in this thread that you got a lot of chyt when you tried to bring it into discussion here.

 

[Bumblebee]

For me it started out with one guy repeatedly telling the thread posters how highly educated he was and jumping in your chyt telling you how uneducated you were. For God's sakes he at one point actually proposed he was smarter than the whole country of Canada. Noone there knows enough about electricity compared to him.

Bee you have a different higher education. You've had to train and organize soldiers to carry out coordinated and organized military operations in very harsh climates and circumstances. From reading your post, I suspect it was your whole career. You taught them common sense and how to rely on it. That has led you well in this thread. You may get caught up in things you didn't know technically. But you don't mind learning. That never makes you wrong. You've gotten better at smelling b/s as this thread has run it's course.

I looked around the site a little. I saw that you knew nothing about Hayabusa starting issues either. How'd that work out after others started posting starting issues with theirs?

Blanca arguing over the current Gaza conflict. Whatya know Blanca, just wasn't educated enough in that thread either.

Then this latest. A self described highly educated, data analysis skilled engineer. Types into his calculator a few keystrokes and says 6000%.

And apparently doesn't once stop and say to himself, can this really be 6000%? It's the first thing I asked myself. I knew his calculator wasn't malfunctioning. So I looked at the link. It's not my first rodeo having to either compose data, or decompose it.

I have a lot of data holes that I'd like to see filled.

Did they define what makes up a fire for an example? Seems like a silly question. But you can have a catastrophic total loss of a vehicle fire. Or you can have a localized fire contained to a small area of a vehicle with less than $1000 damage. Both are fires.

What portion of the 1529 and 25 were fires caused from moving traffic accidents?

Did they find 1529 going back 4 years or 44 years?

By the way Bee. His link confirms you were right about more than one thing you stated in this thread that you got a lot of chyt when you tried to bring it into discussion here.

I can only go off the data I read and hear about as I'm not in the auto business nor am I in the power generation field...but I am adept at research and can find pretty much anything I need to form an educated opinion. But like all people I have to rely on the experts who are in these fields as well as public opinion of actual EV owners. I didn't own a Hayabusa until 2017 but did a lot of research to know which bike I wanted and what to look for....I had to rely on experts who either did reviews on it or actual owners to help formulate my decision.

I can say that pretty much sums up most if not all people on this forum.

As we have found over the 1399 posts on the subject, it is controversial......the most discussion is taking place between people who don't own an EV and never plan on getting one (although it might be forced upon us to do so).

As a former soldier who spent lots of time in a special forces role and has a degree in military history, I can comment with vigor in those sorts of threads.....I am well versed in strategic and tactical employment of military operations and how they equate to the current conflicts we are seeing.

I have EV remote controlled cars and have been around them for over 30 years so I know the benefits of EV over gas powered RC....my EV would stomp the nitro cars but while I'm cooling my electronics and waiting until my battery cools enough to recharge it, they are still ripping around having fun....