The solid state batteries which have been made so far as prototypes, not scaled up for production, weigh around 1/3rd of current lithium-ion.
There is no cost yet, as they have not scaled up production.
Long way off is around 4 years.
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There is no cost yet, as they have not scaled up production.
Long way off is around 4 years.
4 years to production and insertion into EV for the masses?
I'll still be on this forum to hopefully report on this in this same thread.....
That is what Toyota says, first vehicles off production line in 2027.
Range around 750 miles, 20 minute recharge.
VW claims what is linked below.
PowerCo confirms results: QuantumScape’s solid-state cell passes first endurance test
The solid-state cell is considered a technology of the future and the next big step in battery development. The technology promises longer ranges, shorter charging times and maximum safety. The U.S. company QuantumScape has recently reached an important milestone, which was now confirmed by...
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Glad you didn't forget this. Once we get to through the last of the questions and into your link, I had planned on circling back to this. I'm glad you won't be suffering from any memory loss.That is what Toyota says, first vehicles off production line in 2027.
Range around 750 miles, 20 minute recharge.
VW claims what is linked below.
PowerCo confirms results: QuantumScape’s solid-state cell passes first endurance test
The solid-state cell is considered a technology of the future and the next big step in battery development. The technology promises longer ranges, shorter charging times and maximum safety. The U.S. company QuantumScape has recently reached an important milestone, which was now confirmed by...www.volkswagen-group.com
We can only hope this becomes a reality and not some sort of pipe dream...That is what Toyota says, first vehicles off production line in 2027.
Range around 750 miles, 20 minute recharge.
VW claims what is linked below.
PowerCo confirms results: QuantumScape’s solid-state cell passes first endurance test
The solid-state cell is considered a technology of the future and the next big step in battery development. The technology promises longer ranges, shorter charging times and maximum safety. The U.S. company QuantumScape has recently reached an important milestone, which was now confirmed by...
The current EVs certainly aren't working well.
Main phrase from that whole video..."If the other issues are not addressed". It's absolute BS for him to claim the tailpipe emissions from a billion vehicles have no effect. (He then sneaks in the phrase I mentioned sneakily). Of course it's relation to everything else. Fact is, every form of pollution needs addressed. That's so simple it feels like something you would say to a kindergarten class. If people would put down their biases for a second and do whatever little part they can do, things would improve.
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Sure they are. Our resident b/s expert says so.
You know that won't happen....
The world is a mess and not just because of ICE, global pollution is appalling.......how people treat the earth they live on is atrocious, we even spread the trash to outside our planet.
Images like these are disgusting and trouble me far more than anything else when it comes to pollution.
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A sound concept has nothing to do with reality.
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In the same breath, someone comes along and says we have to all drive EV to save the planet.....and doesn't own one.....hypocrisy at it's best.....
There, fixed it for ya. :-)
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You are only looking at the cradle portion of the footprint equation. Each battery change in an EV impacts the footprint. The resources it takes to put out any fires that occur, impacts the carbon footprint. And as our illustrious resident expert on vehicle fire data has shown us, every recall that has occured in EV fires has been the batteries. When they torch, the related additional property damage restoration adds to the footprint EVs are responsible for.
At some point, when they finally reach end of service, they have to be properly disposed of. An ICE at end of life, gets like 98% recycled. I don't know how much of an end of life EV gets recycled. I imagine the electric motors, of course the body and tires, and probably the interior materials. The batteries I don't know. I know Musk has partners building huge Lithium battery recycling facilities. So it seems as that is probable. But we have to factor the carbon footprint of building that. ICE recycling resources have been in place for decades. So that carbon footprint is being amortized out over time already. And if Tesla or the LIon battery, goes by way of the DoDo bird, all of the related infrastructure built has a carbon footprint left behind. Austin as an example, could look much like Detroit. Lots of vacant facilities, that are left to deal with.
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The carbon footprint of the EV is well established. At creation, the fact that the battery needs charged, even in today’s mega electrical world the added strain is measurable, and then at the end. The footprint of the ICE begins at creation, and lasts the ENTIRE period of use, including of course the exhaust emissions which alone surpass the EV footprint, the hundreds of gallons of used oil that must be produced and then used oil that has to be dealt with (no, burning it for heat is NOT a reasonable answer), and the production of gasoline to keep it on the road. Let's not forget the leaked oil that marks every road in the world. Both vehicles use tires which must be disposed of, and I've heard the argument that the heavier EV will use more rubber, investigate and find the difference is practically immeasurable, more dependant on driving style. Bee you continue to use idiot’s words that claim EVs have zero carbon footprint. We know that’s not at all true, but you need to find a different aspect to argue why EV should not replace the ICE vehicle, because from a carbon footprint standpoint, it's not even close.
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I guess it will depend on what power source is used to recharge these EV.....we on this forum are focused on North America...what about the rest of the world...if we are to make a difference, the rest of the world needs to be brought on board....and as we all know that will never happen...many of these countries use dirty electricity, have no recycling program nor do they have an environmental management policy.
There is all this talk at how we in the west need to set the example and lead the way but what we don't realize is many countries don't care what we are doing.
As for we here in the land of dreamers, it will really depend on how robust the recycling system will be for batteries.. The search for raw materials to make the batteries is finite and these are a non-renewable resource so eventually we will run out of these as well.
I can find a myriad of links to the tire and road damage issue due to added weight of EV.....maybe the solid state battery will alleviate these issues.
EV Owners Surprised By Rapid Tire Wear
Compared to traditional combustion vehicles, some EV owners report their tires wearing quickly.
www.sciencefriday.com
EVs Could Damage Roads Way More Than ICE Cars Due to Weight
The Telegraph made an analysis based on the weight of electric cars, and the results show a higher risk of damaging smaller residential and rural roads.
www.autoevolution.com
An interesting read here...
Carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere - Wikipedia
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I don't know if I included it in this thread or not. I saw in I think either PBS or TLC a piece they did in what happens to our throw away society. Just the part on recycling phones was enough to make you sick. Now that we can't change our the battery in our phone, they most often get replaced with another.
They become literal mountains of phones to be de-constructed by child labor in some places like Pakistan or something similar. Harvesting the gold parts required the use of several carcinogenic chemicals. Observing no particular precautions, they create little creeks of discarded chemicals that run straight into some like lake or ocean waterway. The plastic is sold in the secondary market for recycling. By the shiploads. Which means they get to add to the footprint made by shipping stuff all over the world. The parts they can't recycle create their own mountains. I assume to make it to landfills (Hopefully).
Then they moved into showing us TVs which are now throwaway items. WAY worse than cellphone recycling!
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In my opinion which doesn't count for much, if humans were to cease their use of all fossil fuels and stopped clear cutting all the forests down today, we'd still be in trouble...
Third world recycling at it's best...all the run off goes directly into the ground water..we need to work on fixing this as well....
Third world recycling at it's best...all the run off goes directly into the ground water..we need to work on fixing this as well....
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Bee. I only see your response. Which means you're talking with someone I've blocked. So I'm not sure what is being debated. But I do know a bit about tires and issues relating to weight. Class 8 trucking places huge weight loads into our roadways. The tires are built to carry their weight. They aren't made like regular tires from cars. They don't really leave more deposits pound for pound to a passenger tire. But we have a LOT of Class 8 vehicles. And they are on the roads way longer than a passenger car in a 24 hour day. So it's easy to say more weight does more damage to roads. But not really from tires. The actual weight is what diminishes the roadways. But Class 8 has to pay collected taxes to offset the cost of rebuilding worn out roads they were prime contributors in.I guess it will depend on what power source is used to recharge these EV.....we on this forum are focused on North America...what about the rest of the world...if we are to make a difference, the rest of the world needs to be brought on board....and as we all know that will never happen...many of these countries use dirty electricity, have no recycling program nor do they have an environmental management policy.
There is all this talk at how we in the west need to set the example and lead the way but what we don't realize is many countries don't care what we are doing.
As for we here in the land of dreamers, it will really depend on how robust the recycling system will be for batteries.. The search for raw materials to make the batteries is finite and these are a non-renewable resource so eventually we will run out of these as well.
I can find a myriad of links to the tire and road damage issue due to added weight of EV.....maybe the solid state battery will alleviate these issues.
EV Owners Surprised By Rapid Tire Wear
Compared to traditional combustion vehicles, some EV owners report their tires wearing quickly.
EVs Could Damage Roads Way More Than ICE Cars Due to Weight
The Telegraph made an analysis based on the weight of electric cars, and the results show a higher risk of damaging smaller residential and rural roads.
An interesting read here...
Carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
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Its not just an opinion. Science proves it. We as humans are just on the earth at the wrong time.
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These confounded volcanoes. Through melinia they have this nasty habit of spewing about 300 years worth of greenhouse gases per eruption. We have to put an end to volcanoes.
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