michael parris heuberger
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Hi. Thst is what the world needs right now EV airplanes. Stop all oil use today.
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michael parris heuberger
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Hi. But we pay for most of it with plastic money.
What the hell are you talking about? What does this have to do with recycling and alleviating the volume that is going in our landfills?
By the way, just to clarify, I didn’t call you a liar, I pointed out that based on what I saw on a tour, your theory of plastic recycling plants, however you came to it, was wrong.
I don’t get offended; don’t sweat the small stuff.
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Not at all, in fact in many instances most new truck dealerships install body lift kits and performance exhaust before the truck is sold. When I'm on the scooter, a lifted trucks's exhaust tips are high enough that it's almost like I'm hitting a huge bong.
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I'm all in on EV cars but i'm not "green" i'm just exploiting our tax&subsidies.
Running two new EV's way cheaper than running my old diesel (wich was near the end of their lifecycle anyway. Bought two Tesla model 3 one 2021 and one 2022 model.
That said i have not missed my old Volkswagen or Kia for a second. so far no hassle, zero maitenance cost apart from tyres but i'm above average invested in keeping things tidy.
When it comes to range, charging etc. i do 99% of my charging at home, i have a 160mile daily commute to work and the Tesla does the job great.
So what if you go on a longer trip, like a holiday...
Well in 2022 we were supposed to go for a 16day motorbike trip in the alps etc. but because of some health problems we were unable so then we took the EV instead.. 4350 miles trough Denmark-Germany-Austria-Slovenia-Croatia-Montenegro, Then the ferry from Dubrovnik(Croatia) to Bari Italy (Amalfi coast&Naples). Up Trough Italy- Switzerland-Germany(a few laps on the Nürburgring)- Denmark and the Ferry back to Norway. Charging worked flawless longest stretch driven was the "nightstint" Trough Denmark and Germany to Austria 1100miles(to avoid the summertime caos om Autobahn).
After "swallowing a camel" beeing a EV hater for years i'll have to admit they are quite good...
Running two new EV's way cheaper than running my old diesel (wich was near the end of their lifecycle anyway. Bought two Tesla model 3 one 2021 and one 2022 model.
That said i have not missed my old Volkswagen or Kia for a second. so far no hassle, zero maitenance cost apart from tyres but i'm above average invested in keeping things tidy.
When it comes to range, charging etc. i do 99% of my charging at home, i have a 160mile daily commute to work and the Tesla does the job great.
So what if you go on a longer trip, like a holiday...
Well in 2022 we were supposed to go for a 16day motorbike trip in the alps etc. but because of some health problems we were unable so then we took the EV instead.. 4350 miles trough Denmark-Germany-Austria-Slovenia-Croatia-Montenegro, Then the ferry from Dubrovnik(Croatia) to Bari Italy (Amalfi coast&Naples). Up Trough Italy- Switzerland-Germany(a few laps on the Nürburgring)- Denmark and the Ferry back to Norway. Charging worked flawless longest stretch driven was the "nightstint" Trough Denmark and Germany to Austria 1100miles(to avoid the summertime caos om Autobahn).
After "swallowing a camel" beeing a EV hater for years i'll have to admit they are quite good...
It's probably the wrong thread for it, but consider the mass lockdowns and how that stopped all the frivolous air travel, instantly! We tend to think of solutions to the problem that allow us to carry on our lives they way they always have been (normalcy bias) and I believe that to keep societies functioning "normally" governments and corporations encourage this thinking. But that doesn't mean they don't have an entirely different plan to deal with the issues we face does it.
Several incidents in my life made me aware that being in an enclosed car with someone that has a cold is akin to swapping spit with them. The airplane cabin is quite the same. Sometimes guidelines are for our well being. Imagine that. Someone stepping in and making us think about spending exorbitant amounts of money to take a flight, behind the guise of concern for our well being. You want to explain the ulterior motive behind it?
I guess I should have placed the word "Canada" in there when I say there is lots of heat and light on modified vehicles...
Plenty of that here too unless by heat and light you're implying police intervention. There aren't enough patrol vehicles here to pull over all the modified trucks. Even stock, trucks are taller and bigger than ever. The techs have to take the front wheels off to lower them so they can reach into the engine compartment. The current GMC Canyon, the smaller, current day version of the S10 is as big as the old Sierra.
How many gasoline cars are you still seeing on the roads in Norway?
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Good to hear some real world reasons it's working.
Tell us about tax incentives you got to make it worth considering.
What is the price of petrol in your part of the world?
Do you know how long it will be until your battery reaches end of life and you face a battery bank replacement?
How is the quality compared to the VW and the Kia?
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We still have quite a lot of gas&diesel cars and will have for several years. However from 2025 sales of new Fossil cars are banned(import of used cars still allowed).
Still for towing etc. are not ideal due to range loss for the long trips. but for daily commute etc. i'd say ev for the win.
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Well fossil cars are taxed like hell over here and ev's have none. A Tesla model 3 LR was priced at approx 56000usd back in 2020 wich is cheap for a new car in Norway.
Petrol is priced at 20nok/l or 7,5usd/galon
Quality, the oldest one have approx 62000 miles on the counter. It had a few issues when new (replaced the heatpump under warranty, new tech so the replaced the whole unit and shipped the old to the factory for analysis). one wheelbearing broke at 30000miles then they replaces both with new improved ones under warranty. Other than that zero faults.
The passat i have owned since 2008(1 year old/6000miles). Still have it but it is used by my son. it has 140000miles on the counter. it has been resprayed once due to rust, the flywheel has been replaced due to delamination, new clutch, new turbo, egr valve changed, exhaust w particulate filter, the wiring system have been fixed several times due to corrotion, wheelbearings on all wheels 3 times(at least). springs front and rear due to breakage. oilchanges every 9500miles, timing belt/water pump 3 times. misch suspension bushings. Pads/brake discs every 2 years due to rust/wear. all 4 calipers. That is what i can remember.
The KIA.. well.. Gearbox, turbo, alternator, support arms front& rear, all wheel bearings X2 brakes incl calipers twice, plus all "service costs" oil/timing belt etc.
My battery/motor warranty is at 8years/120000miles
A battery swap on a model 3 would cost me approx 10000usd but the fuel savings alone is twice that at 120000 and the battery will probably last waaaaaay past the warranty.
So far the ev ownership has been a dream.
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TallTom
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A very good report card for the EVs!
Yes your European fuel prices have always taken my breath away. It sort of forces fuel efficiency on you.
Here, some states charge an EV tax because it won't contribute to fuel tax collections. A totally opposite economy.
Great post.
Interesting to note, VW has a very small market section here in the US and the models are different to other countries. Americans are not likely to buy anything which puts out less than 150hp or 110kW. The main reason is though, VW reliability is not good here compared to other brands.
You seem to do a lot of mileage with the Tesla. What are the average temperatures during most of those miles?
For information, the electrical vehicle scenario here in the US is going through a crisis. They are not selling, Tesla is dropping prices and that creates problems with current owners. In 2025 after the elections, if the Republicans win, there will be no support for EV’s.
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Average temperatures is about 7 degrees celsisus where i live(44.5f) but the high temp in summer reaches 29c(84F) and the low -27(-16,5F).
Lowest temperature during my commute to work this year was -34c(-29F)
Does the cold affect the range, oh hell yeah when the average drops to an average of -25c(-13F) im down to about 300km(186miles) of range in the summer its at 500km(310miles). But i can increase the the range with 5% by lowering the temperature but i dont care i want my 20c inside.
The EV benefits is decreasing over here too, the road tax is back, and for ev's priced over approx 50000usd you have to pay sales tax. untill recently we had zero toll on toll roads but the prices have been rising steadily for the last 4 years.
after 2025 when ev's are mandatory on "new" wehicles i'll guess they will tax them the same as fossil cars.
My plan is to trade in the oldest Tesla this year but im waiting for the next generation of Model 3 Performance to be launched.
When it comes down to depreciation its about the same as fossil cars.
My 2020 model bought for 484000nok delivered December 2020 will probably sell for about 320000nok thats about 16400usd in depreciation in 3.5 years/60000 miles.
Add to that i have extremely low electricity cost at my house and until august this year i had free charging at my work.
So for my use EV is the best combo..
But i almost forgot, i also have my "everlasting" 2003 VW California campervan. Now thats a great VW
Only used in the summertime so approx zero rust, lots of miles 200000plus.
It will be kept "forever"..
I talked to a guy yesterday who uses a Model X as a driver training vehicle.
He loves it and it works excellent in this role......he said some of his students are sold on the tech but can't afford to buy it themselves.
He has the Tesla in it's lowest power setting so it can maximize it's range but he is finding his range is steadily getting less and less over the years and it gets even worse when it's cold or slippery out...during these days he uses his ICE training cars or at least has them on stand by...
He loves it and it works excellent in this role......he said some of his students are sold on the tech but can't afford to buy it themselves.
He has the Tesla in it's lowest power setting so it can maximize it's range but he is finding his range is steadily getting less and less over the years and it gets even worse when it's cold or slippery out...during these days he uses his ICE training cars or at least has them on stand by...
voodoodoo
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The X is a "spaceship" of a car.
The Model 3 and Y is mass produced with much more basic tech. The parts like brakes suspension wheelbearings etc is commons stuff wich i can replace&fix myself. and the components otherwise are mostly plug&play. The high voltage system is both risky and expensive to replace but have you ever checked the price of a modern gearbox replacement. over here its from 7000usd and up. The cars today are not made to last for 30+ years anyway. To much poop that will fail..
Lifting the hood on almost any ICE vehicle is a scary thing these days....there is a sea of hoses......and I suppose an engine as well somewhere under it all....
That's why I like my pick up truck, it's modern but I can see the engine and it's easy to work on....
Bikes are the same way, they sure are ugly under all those fairings......
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