EV vehicles

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Oil industry won’t go away but you will see a shift in demand. When it becomes less profitable to refine you will see the supply reduce. What’s funny is that even the big players are getting into the game. Take a look at BP pulse and Shell Recharge. I have guys on my team who do LCA for my employer and while I haven’t watched your video I have “Real” data on exactly how much impact an EV has on the planet VS ICE. Having worked for both sides O&G and EV/EVSE industries I can confidently say I am more proud of the work I’m doing now. Oh and as far as mining is concerned there is already BEV’s in that space as well. Check out CAT and Komatsu’s latest offerings. @Bumblebee I could go on but I’d rather extend that offer of enlightenment to you as well.

 

[Bumblebee]

Oil industry won’t go away but you will see a shift in demand. When it becomes less profitable to refine you will see the supply reduce. What’s funny is that even the big players are getting into the game. Take a look at BP pulse and Shell Recharge. I have guys on my team who do LCA for my employer and while I haven’t watched your video I have “Real” data on exactly how much impact an EV has on the planet VS ICE. Having worked for both sides O&G and EV/EVSE industries I can confidently say I am more proud of the work I’m doing now. Oh and as far as mining is concerned there is already BEV’s in that space as well. Check out CAT and Komatsu’s latest offerings. @Bumblebee I could go on but I’d rather extend that offer of enlightenment to you as well.

Nothing will convince me that EV are the end all and savior of the planet...

When the billions upon billions of ICE vehicles which have zero emission controls outside of western influence are brought into line, I might (just might) be more willing to drink the Kool Aid....

Until then, I see this as just another way to generate revenue to the government.....people now are relishing in the fact that electricity is inexpensive.....I for one see that changing once EV becomes the principle mode of transport....citizens will then be at the mercy of a very money hungry government.

Here in Canada, our government paid 14 billion taxpayer dollars to Stellantis and VW to build battery plants.....battery plants that will never be owned by our government but will profit from manufacture and sales of batteries....and as an added bonus, these companies plan on employing upwards of 2500 non-Canadians to work in them...

Corruption at it's best.

 

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the offer still stands. Im not out to “convince” anyone. I just offer facts on a subject that most people have no data on outside what the media post.

 

[Bumblebee]

the offer still stands. Im not out to “convince” anyone. I just offer facts on a subject that most people have no data on outside what the media post.

Still not convinced...

I have zero interest in owning or operating an EV, however;

The day might come when I'm forced into an EV but it will be that...........forced as I won't go willingly.

When my wife was shopping for a new vehicle I mentioned getting a hybrid but she was more against it than I was.....

I know people who have hybrids and EV so I do get some first hand knowledge from them.

 

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[TallTom]

the offer still stands. Im not out to “convince” anyone. I just offer facts on a subject that most people have no data on outside what the media post.

I enjoy firsthand data. The difficulty that some have with posted data, is they either A) Claim the data is a propaganda link or B) the data doesn't agree with their data and they want their data to be right or C) the source of the data doesn't understand the problem like they do.

I have first hand data as well. But if I can't link it, it doesn't exist. If I can link it then see above paragraph.

I know 3 people that own EVs. And one that own a Lucid Air. I certainly can't use their personal accounts to represent the EV owners worldwide. But I've been in all 4 of them. And I'd take a Lucid over the Tesla. But I'm not convinced any of them will survive consumer confidence data.

 

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Knowing someone ≠ owing ≠ working for multiple OEM’s in terms of data. Fortunately I have done all 3 and will gladly extend that offer to you as well @TallTom

 

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@Rojo i gotta get the emoji backstory

 

[TallTom]

Knowing someone ≠ owing ≠ working for multiple OEM’s in terms of data. Fortunately I have done all 3 and will gladly extend that offer to you as well @TallTom

I can read your data all day long. Much like I can look at the data that supports nuclear energy being a solution.

How can that data overcome the factual data that EVs are declining in sales?

Nuclear power makes a lot more sense data wise. We both know it still remains a fringe source of power overall.

America as a whole has a population of declining income compared to the cost of living. They need cheap energy. The same holds true for entire nations.

 

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@TallTom I’m if I remember correctly we were talking about EV’s however I will entertain you briefly with saying that the current generation “millennials” are not the cause of americas income decline. I’m not in economics but something tells me that if EV’s were not the future investments in
the space would cease. Maybe education in conjunction with a health dose of respect for trades could help some on the financial front. I don’t have the answers for why my kids may not be able to purchase a home with the same income that I currently make and that in it of itself is worrisome. What I do know is, the money pouring into BEV and infrastructure R&D has allowed many Americans to still obtain the “dream” (this includes myself). It wasn’t long ago where you could buy a home for less than 1 years salary in a decent neighborhood with good schools. Those times are long gone. I hope we can fix the mess that has been left for us to clean up.

 

[Bumblebee]

Knowing someone ≠ owing ≠ working for multiple OEM’s in terms of data. Fortunately I have done all 3 and will gladly extend that offer to you as well @TallTom

I know the modern concept of EV is relatively new...

The big 4 might stand more of a chance with EV due to an established dealership/service network...Tesla won't establish dealerships in smaller/rural areas and the vehicle you are driving is non-existent here...If anything were to happen with a Rivian here, there is nowhere to take it for any sort of service...that is a huge selling feature...it could be the best vehicle on the road but if a person can't buy one locally or get it looked at if it ever has an issue, it won't sell.

Our local Ford dealership is sitting on rows of EV and hybrids that aren't selling....the owner of the dealership is getting a little worried about that as he has a lot invested in them and Ford won't take them back....

There are many Teslas around here and the nearest dealer is over an hour and half away....when something happens to them, they have to be flat-bedded to the dealership....this has happened to a person I know and they were told to rent a car and Tesla would cover it.....the problem is at the time there were no cars to rent....so they were told if they need to go somewhere to take ride-share or taxi and Tesla would cover that....

Not a very convenient prospect and the car was gone 2 weeks before they got the part to fix it....this person relied on family and co-workers to get them around in the mean time.....not good when they paid a premium for their car.

My son bought a Hyundai Sante Fe hybrid and got rear ended, it wasn't a huge hit but did $12k in damage and what he has found is his hybrid system is now intermittent....after the dealership took a look, they found some sort of coupler is broken but it is on the battery side so the battery needs to be replaced....the estimate to repair the car has doubled....they are letting him drive it and have disabled the hybrid system as it might take a few months to get the parts to fix it.

On top of that, when he bought it, his auto insurance premium went up about $1000 a year over his previous vehicle....

 

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I know the modern concept of EV is relatively new...

The big 4 might stand more of a chance with EV due to an established dealership/service network...Tesla won't establish dealerships in smaller/rural areas and the vehicle you are driving is non-existent here...If anything were to happen with a Rivian here, there is nowhere to take it for any sort of service...that is a huge selling feature...it could be the best vehicle on the road but if a person can't buy one locally or get it looked at if it ever has an issue, it won't sell.

Our local Ford dealership is sitting on rows of EV and hybrids that aren't selling....the owner of the dealership is getting a little worried about that as he has a lot invested in them and Ford won't take them back....

There are many Teslas around here and the nearest dealer is over an hour and half away....when something happens to them, they have to be flat-bedded to the dealership....this has happened to a person I know and they were told to rent a car and Tesla would cover it.....the problem is at the time there were no cars to rent....so they were told if they need to go somewhere to take ride-share or taxi and Tesla would cover that....

Not a very convenient prospect and the car was gone 2 weeks before they got the part to fix it....this person relied on family and co-workers to get them around in the mean time.....not good when they paid a premium for their car.

My son bought a Hyundai Sante Fe hybrid and got rear ended, it wasn't a huge hit but did $12k in damage and what he has found is his hybrid system is now intermittent....after the dealership took a look, they found some sort of coupler is broken but it is on the battery side so the battery needs to be replaced....the estimate to repair the car has doubled....they are letting him drive it and have disabled the hybrid system as it might take a few months to get the parts to fix it.

On top of that, when he bought it, his auto insurance premium went up about $1000 a year over his previous vehicle....

Again not everyone’s use case is same and 2 incidents you mentioned is a very small data set. The problem is the the squeaky wheel gets the oil. You never hear about the hundreds of thousands of satisfied customers who have no problems because they have nothing to talk about.

Just some interesting points found in a recent thread below

https://www.reddit.com/r/askcarsales/comments/18prkwy/why_do_dealers_hate_selling_evs

I offer education but some will burn the books for the class.

 

[Bumblebee]

Again not everyone’s use case is not same and 2 incidents you mentioned is a very small data set. The problem is the the squeaky wheel gets the oil. You never hear about the hundreds of thousands of satisfied customers who have no problems because they have nothing to talk about.

Just some interesting points found in a recent thread below

https://www.reddit.com/r/askcarsales/comments/18prkwy/why_do_dealers_hate_selling_evs

I offer education but some will burn the books for the class.

Nothing equates the fact where I live there are no Tesla or Rivian dealerships nor are there about to be any...

Why would I buy a vehicle with no support base?

Take a look at Indian now made by Polaris, they make a good product but there are few dealerships so they don't sell.

Same goes for EV in general especially the two mentioned...on top of that, our climate here is not EV friendly, this year is a strange one but generally we have sub zero temperatures from Nov to end March.

I consider myself well read on most subjects, I have done quite a bit of research on the subjects I debate.....

 

[jellyrug]

Mr. Musk spent this past Sunday with Trump at Mar-a-lago. Will be interesting to see how that affects the EV landscape in 2025.

Interesting, he also wrote on X something to the extent of, “ If you had two choices, being the world burnt by nuclear fire, or vote for Trump?”

 

[jellyrug]

Our power grid here is very fragile....we've lost power 3 times over the past week due to component failures....

I have a Generlink and Generac stand alone generator and I've used it quite a bit this week....which I guess is a good thing so it gets run.

Do you know why you have outages? Is it a maintenance issue, transformers, the distribution lines, vehicle accidents, weather storm related? Do they at least let you know why, and when it is expected to be back? Do you perhaps have load shedding?

Weird to hear this from a first world country.

 

[Bumblebee]

Do you know why you have outages? Is it a maintenance issue, transformers, the distribution lines, vehicle accidents, weather storm related? Do they at least let you know why, and when it is expected to be back? Do you perhaps have load shedding?

Weird to hear this from a first world country.

I have a neighbor who responds to these outages and he says it is mostly outdated infrastructure that causes the outages....transformers, switches, etc....he said the last one was a cascade series issue that he had to spend a lot of time at 0300 tracking down....if he needs assistance, he has a 45 minute wait until the person can get to him and that is if he is up and rolling...

He said like most things, their budget has been slashed and where there used to be 5 techs in the area, there is now one.....him....

We have an app that tells us how long the outage is expected but like most things that is an unreliable means but it gives me at least a baseline of which if I need to start my generator and hook up my Generlink system or not....

I do know that the Home stand by generators and Generlink systems have been selling quite a bit lately.....

 

[Bumblebee]

Mr. Musk spent this past Sunday with Trump at Mar-a-lago. Will be interesting to see how that affects the EV landscape in 2025.

Interesting, he also wrote on X something to the extent of, “ If you had two choices, being the world burnt by nuclear fire, or vote for Trump?”

IF Trump gets into power again, it will be a wild time to be an American......he will go through the government and media like a tornado.....

 

[jellyrug]

I have a neighbor who responds to these outages and he says it is mostly outdated infrastructure that causes the outages....transformers, switches, etc....he said the last one was a cascade series issue that he had to spend a lot of time at 0300 tracking down....if he needs assistance, he has a 45 minute wait until the person can get to him and that is if he is up and rolling...

He said like most things, their budget has been slashed and where there used to be 5 techs in the area, there is now one.....him....

We have an app that tells us how long the outage is expected but like most things that is an unreliable means but it gives me at least a baseline of which if I need to start my generator and hook up my Generlink system or not....

I do know that the Home stand by generators and Generlink systems have been selling quite a bit lately.....

Sounds like maintenance issues, electrical stuff do not become unreliable with age, but transformers need the oil replaced some time, switchgear needs to be infra red scoped to make sure there are no heat at the connections, cleaned, environmental impact needs monitoring, etc.

Over here we would talk to the town Mayor, or even get the Congressman involved, but fortunately we don't have those kind of issues. Power comes from a nuclear station and the rates make it hard to justify solar.

 

[Bumblebee]

Sounds like maintenance issues, electrical stuff do not become unreliable with age, but transformers need the oil replaced some time, switchgear needs to be infra red scoped to make sure there are no heat at the connections, cleaned, environmental impact needs monitoring, etc.

Over here we would talk to the town Mayor, or even get the Congressman involved, but fortunately we don't have those kind of issues. Power comes from a nuclear station and the rates make it hard to justify solar.

This is what happens when you go from 5 guys to 1 and then expect the same level of service and maintenance.....

In the past I'd say transformers don't go but then we have to look at where they are made these days.....

 

[jellyrug]

IF Trump gets into power again, it will be a wild time to be an American......he will go through the government and media like a tornado.....

Looks like that is where it is going after Super Tuesday.

I think we are having a wild time right now, open borders, migrants everywhere, inflation, war in Israel, Ukraine, two sailors on the Barbados flagged True Confidence at 9:30 GMT today killed, ship abandoned this morning due to another Houthi attack, a President who is kept away from public speaking as it is an embarrasment to the Democrats when he does.

Don't think it can get any worse than this.